McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms

[DB]

I will never forget how Turtle was glowing with pride as he boasted of "destroying" conservatives and the Tea Party.  I knew for sure right then what I'd always suspected about him.  He's four-square against us.

He was more intent on destroying conservatives than he was Democrats/liberals.

And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...

[edpc]

And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...

He also made Mitch's wife Transportation Secretary and proposed a monster infrastructure plan.

[Cyber Liberty]

He also made Mitch's wife Transportation Secretary and proposed a monster infrastructure plan.

I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell.  Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.

[dfwgator]

Way to inspire the troops, there, Mitch.

[DB]

I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell.  Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.

It means much more when he campaigned on draining the swamp... The "wall" and draining the swamp was his primary traction in the primary... We have neither...

[Mesaclone]

I hope so.  I have made it my mission to make sure your party goes the way of the Whigs.
Except it won't, you will simply split the right and hand long term power over to the Far Left. Brilliant maneuver.

Yeah you tyrant-wannabes have already declared us enemies of the state for refusing to vote for whom you demanded we vote for last cycle.  I find you people as egregiously tyrannical and despotic in intent and desire as the Democrats if not moreso.
Not "enemies of the state", more like self-destructive stooges...empowering the Far Left and eliminating any opportunity for conservatism to govern the Republic. As for tyrannical...you want government in your image and your image only, with a ruling alliance so narrow as to be oligarchic at best. That's nearly the definition of tyranny.

Well, we will be waiting for imbeciles and wannabe tyrants of party purity like you to render people like us 'less dangerous' to your party.
Your whole schtick is "purity"...a purity which aligns only in total agreement with your singularly narrow concept of conservatism,
a concept that precludes ever attaining enough votes to achieve...well...anything.

You are projecting as usual.  You have declared us to be dangerous enemies of the state simply over whom we refuse to support or vote for.  As such - any conflict is going to be instigated by morons like you or your counterparts at the Marxist-end of the spectrum.
I have never declared you to be enemies of the state...except, perhaps, in some dark corner of your imagination...just enemies of conservatism, and guarantors of liberal ascendancy in government. You claim to hate Marxism, yet all that you do works to advance it to permanent power. 

Well you go ahead and think Trump and the Republican party is your only hope.
Not our only hope, but certainly our best one right now and in the immediate future. Certainly a far better hope than splitting the right in half and conceding every election to the Far Left

I have other plans. You do. As do the Marxists. Unfortunately, your plans only serve to advance theirs...unwittingly though it may be. The term they would use to describe you, I believe, is useful idiot. Your actions ensure their grip on power...why would they not LOVE you and your call for ideological purity on the Right. It advances their cause in dramatic fashion.

You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause. Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.

[skeeter]

He was more intent on destroying conservatives than he was Democrats/liberals.

And Trump campaigned for him to be the senate leader...

Its a rare Bureaucrat that willingly represents those who want a smaller less intrusive state.

Thats the big problem.

[Applewood]

The difference between the parties is stark...and clear as a bell. It is quite literally the difference between a Justice Thomas and a Justice Sotomayor....the difference between weaponizing the organs of government against a rival party, and not doing so...the difference between defeating ISIS and allowing it to metastasize into a regional power...and these differences go on interminably. Do not mistake the GOP's lack of conservative votes to achieve all that its supporters want...for the willful and deliberate socialism of the Left. Doing so may seem easy...to the intellectually slow...but it is factually and morally false.

I'm glad you are not intellectually slow as I am and can see differences between the 2 parties because dumb voters like me just don't see it.  Maybe there were big differences at one time, but not anymore.  I don't live in the past as you seem to.  I live in the present. 

As far as judges go, what conservative judges have the Republicans put on SCOTUS?  Neil Gorsuch -- well maybe, although I haven't really seen a brilliant opinion from him yet to decide whether he n is a strict constitutional conservative or not.  But remember that not long ago, the Republicans also gave us John Roberts, the supposed conservative.  And we all know how that turned out. 

Using "organs of government" against a rival party?  Well, it seems to me the Republicans aren't doing that because they are too busy sabotaging their own members who don't toe the party line. 

And as for ISIS, well, it still exists.  Witness how many Americans are joining or attempting to join their ranks every day.  Republicans haven't exactly made too much of an effort in that regard either. 

But what you gloss over are all the promises this party has made to the voters.  We were promised that when the party took control of both houses of congress and the presidency, we would get Obamacare repeal, tax reform and immigration reform.  What do we have?  A few tweaks here and there on Obamacare, a few dollars given to the average shlub under the guise of tax reform (it's no reform at all) and as for fixing the immigration crisis -- the party is looking for compromise and maybe a few tweaks -- which means the problem won't really be fixed at all. 

You could argue that we need to be patient.  It's only been one year since Republicans took over congress and the presidency, but I should think that in one year, they should be further along than they are.  Bottom line is that the party hasn't done squat.  And the only reason I can think of is the Republicans aren't really serious about keeping m their promises to the voters. 

You can continue to put your faith in a party that has lied to you and broken irts promises, but like @INVAR and others here, I give up.  This party cannot be fixed.  It needs to fade away so a new party that is truly conservative and which truly offers a viable option to the Democrats will take its place.  Perhaps the only way that will happen will be for the Democrats to seize control again.  This may be the only wake-up call Republicans will heed. 

[INVAR]

Except it won't, you will simply split the right and hand long term power over to the Far Left. Brilliant maneuver.

Bullshit - your party leadership has already done that for you.  Your party has proven that it is opposed, and holds in contempt, principled Constitutional Conservatism and has made that fact crystal clear with direct threats and actions to showcase that their promise to marginalize, punish us, punch us in the nose and make us shut up - were not idle threats via politics.

Your party and leadership wanted the Conservative Right OUT of your party. 

They are getting their wish. 

What your party consists of is liberals, moderate Democrats and populists beholden to big corporate Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who desire enrichment from the incestuous relationships they get with fascism lite.

Not "enemies of the state", more like self-destructive stooges...empowering the Far Left and eliminating any opportunity for conservatism to govern the Republic.

More bullshit.  You Trumpian True Believers repeated the mantra that anyone not voting for Trump or the GOP were traitors - some of whom were promising retribution for our refusal to vote the way you and your party demanded.

As far as empowering the Left - your own Party Leadership has done that far more openly , aggressively and directly than anything those of us who are done with your corrupted cesspool of a party were able to do until now.

Your whole schtick is "purity"...a purity which aligns only in total agreement with your singularly narrow concept of conservatism,
a concept that precludes ever attaining enough votes to achieve...well...anything.

Rejoice!  We're gone and done with your party!   We are working to get actual Conservatives to dump you and your Uniparty and do something different - and we are having a good response and effect.  We're off the plantation and if the majority still wants to seig-heil the Uniparty - then all you all can do so without us helping the Big Government Oligarchy along.

You claim to hate Marxism, yet all that you do works to advance it to permanent power.

Projection.  Your own party and its leadership have made Obama's agenda permanent and fully funded.  The Republican Party has embraced a 'kinder, gentler' Marxism and they have demonstrated that they are in fact - big government Statists just like the Democrat Marxists are.  Just a slightly different flavor more beholden to corporate interests than the simple Che Revolutionistas on the other side of the Uniparty.

Not our only hope, but certainly our best one right now and in the immediate future.

You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content.  We're done practicing it with you and your failed party.  It's time to bury it alongside the Whigs - and I plan on doing my part to help that happen.

Unfortunately, your plans only serve to advance theirs

That is what all abusive husbands and slave owners tell their chattel attempting to instill fear and shame for daring to even think about leaving the house and farm. 

As has been stated, YOUR PARTY, YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS DONE MORE TO BURY CONSERVATISM AND ADVANCE STATISM THAN THE DEMOCRATS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.  Not to mention fully funding and making permanent, the Marxist schemes they promised to repeal but showed us all, had no intention of doing.  Then there's the trillions in deficit spending.  Voting Democrat earns the same results.  We're done with your failed, corrupted and compromised party.  It needs to whither on the vine and be grafted back into the Democrat party where it belongs.

You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause.

I do not give a shit if you think I am advancing the Leftist cause by refusing to support your party that fully funds and passes the Leftist agenda and growing the State while pretending to be an opposition party.   The truth is that the Republican Party has advanced the Left Wing cause, and fully funded it - with deficit spending no less!

Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.

That is hilarious coming from a guy who upthread said people like me are "dangerous" and "the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic."

If anything, it is people like you and your party that will get us to re-education camps first.

The concept of a people voting their conscience and in accord with their principles is demonstrably abhorrent to you and your party.

But please, continue to demonstrate that fact.

[libertybele]

You think you're rebelling against "sell outs" and "politics as usual"...to use the kind of juvenile and cliche sloganeering to which you are accustomed...but you are, simply, advancing the Left wing cause. Most of us on the Right are wise enough to NOT rebel our way to ensuring permanent liberal domination of our Republic...no doubt you will feel righteous and pure right up to the day the Left ships you off to a re-education camp.

I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have?  Don't kid yourself.

[libertybele]

I had forgotten about that plum he gave McConnell.  Endorsing McConnell for Majority Leader doesn't really mean much, he was already going to get that, but handing McConnell's wife that much wonderful power is another matter.

...and voila ... our infrastructure is in dire need and he wants a $1.5 trillion fix!  Gee...I wonder whose pockets will be lined besides Trumps?

[corbe]

     But what about had Cruz been elected everyone knows he would have put his Goldman Sachs wife in charge of the Federal Reserve, so there's that too.

[Cyber Liberty]

     But what about had Cruz been elected everyone knows he would have put his Goldman Sachs wife in charge of the Federal Reserve, so there's that too.

I'm thinking about how Jordan is better.  But go ahead.

[corbe]

   I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.

   My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!

[driftdiver]

   I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.

   My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!

At least she looks good doing it.

[INVAR]

I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have?  Don't kid yourself.

It has absolutely no power, and will never have any power as long as people continue to practice insanity by voting for anyone in the Republican Party in the vain hope that they are going to advance a Constitutionally-Conservative agenda.

No - they will not.

The Uniparty oligarchy has now set up their rules so such a thing can never happen, and like the FBI and other Alphabets - is so completely corrupted and entrenched with Big Government Statists that they will go to war on members of their own party to force compliance with the advancement of the Leftist agenda.

Attempting to reform the party from the inside up, was a decades-long exercise in abject futility.

If Conservatives want any kind of voice in this Socialist Mobocracy we have been fundamentally transformed into (if it can be changed at all), then we have to start over somewhere else.

[Mesaclone]

Bullshit - your party leadership has already done that for you.  Simply...factually...incorrect. Support for the GOP is at the 84%-8% mark in the most recent polling of Republicans.Your party has proven that it is opposed, and holds in contempt, principled Constitutional Conservatism and has made that fact crystal clear with direct threats and actions to showcase that their promise to marginalize, punish us, punch us in the nose and make us shut up - were not idle threats via politics. As usual, you mistake in inability to get 60 votes (or even 51) in the Senate as an unwillingness to pass conservative legislation...but a narrow majority cannot sustain defections from 5-7 liberal Republican Senators. Blame that 5-7 if you will...I certainly do...aim your ire where it belongs for once.

Your party and leadership wanted the Conservative Right OUT of your party. Wrong, for the most part they ARE the conservative Right...from Ted Cruz to Franklin Graham and the majority of evangelicals...this does not preclude having a tent that brings fiscal conservatives and libertarians in as GOP voters. Without their votes, and strong Independent support...quite simply...the Left rules without hindrance.

They are getting their wish.  Your wish, perhaps, not theirs.

What your party consists of is liberals like Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton, right?, moderate Democrats and populists beholden to big corporate Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who desire enrichment from the incestuous relationships they get with fascism lite. Such as Rand Paul, right?

More bullshit.  You Trumpian True Believers repeated the mantra that anyone not voting for Trump or the GOP were traitors - some of whom were promising retribution for our refusal to vote the way you and your party demanded.The only thing I'm a "true believer" of is moving the government and voting populace to the Right...as for retribution, it will come to you...and all of us...in the form of perpetual Democrat/Left wing governance brought in to being by misguided fools who split the vote on the Right.

As far as empowering the Left - your own Party Leadership has done that far more openly , aggressively and directly than anything those of us who are done with your corrupted cesspool of a party were able to do until now.Blather. This is little more than a fantasy...drawn not from substance but from a fertile and paranoid imagination.

Rejoice!  We're gone and done with your party!   We are working to get actual Conservatives to dump you and your Uniparty and do something different - and we are having a good response and effect.  We're off the plantation and if the majority still wants to seig-heil the Uniparty - then all you all can do so without us helping the Big Government Oligarchy along. That's a lot of "we" verbiage...but the truth is, the "we" you cite is a fringe of about 10-15% of Trump hating conservatives. Enough, yes, to hand an election to the Far Left. Not enough to achieve ANYTHING legislatively.

Projection.  Your own party and its leadership have made Obama's agenda permanent and fully funded.  The Republican Party has embraced a 'kinder, gentler' Marxism and they have demonstrated that they are in fact - big government Statists just like the Democrat Marxists are.  Just a slightly different flavor more beholden to corporate interests than the simple Che Revolutionistas on the other side of the Uniparty.

You are welcome to practice insanity to your heart's content.  We're done practicing it with you and your failed party.  It's time to bury it alongside the Whigs - and I plan on doing my part to help that happen.

That is what all abusive husbands and slave owners tell their chattel attempting to instill fear and shame for daring to even think about leaving the house and farm. 

As has been stated, YOUR PARTY, YOUR LEADERSHIP HAS DONE MORE TO BURY CONSERVATISM AND ADVANCE STATISM THAN THE DEMOCRATS THEMSELVES HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO.  Not to mention fully funding and making permanent, the Marxist schemes they promised to repeal but showed us all, had no intention of doing.  Then there's the trillions in deficit spending.  Voting Democrat earns the same results.  We're done with your failed, corrupted and compromised party.  It needs to whither on the vine and be grafted back into the Democrat party where it belongs.

I do not give a shit if you think I am advancing the Leftist cause by refusing to support your party that fully funds and passes the Leftist agenda and growing the State while pretending to be an opposition party.   The truth is that the Republican Party has advanced the Left Wing cause, and fully funded it - with deficit spending no less!

That is hilarious coming from a guy who upthread said people like me are "dangerous" and "the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic."

If anything, it is people like you and your party that will get us to re-education camps first.

The concept of a people voting their conscience and in accord with their principles is demonstrably abhorrent to you and your party.

But please, continue to demonstrate that fact.
And here is the "big lie"...the thought that a splinter group of one party can win elections by itself and through its own "purity" of conscience. The truth is less sexy...that only a coalition of people, with some variance in ideology but also with common cause on many issues, can win a national election in the United States.Libertarians by themselves cannot win. Fiscal conservatives alone cannot win. Moderate conservatives cannot win. Social conservatives alone cannot win. All have principles and morals...and all must compromise with one another, or they will lose. It is THAT simple...yet somehow you are here selling that the tiny number of people who agree with you on all issues can rule the nation through the ballot box. Here's some other bad news for you...unicorns aren't real and there's no pot of gold at the end of rainbows.

What you seem to want is for a small fringe of the farthest right edges of conservatism...to assume power and dictate to the nation. Nothing less will do for you, apparently. This of course doesn't work...from a purely mathematical perspective...which is why Party's form coalitions. In the GOP's case, that coalition includes social, fiscal, and moderate conservatives (with a sprinkling of Independents and Libertarians) that still...barely...can win a narrow majority in national elections. Splicing off a small fraction of that coalition...the farthest edge of conservatism...and thinking it can win an election by itself...is the definition of stupid.

[Mesaclone]

I think you really need to keep in mind that the LEFT already has the power and has never lost power; take a look at the DOJ as an example -- unless those currently in place such as Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller are held accountable along with Bammy and Clinton, exactly what power does the right have?  Don't kid yourself.

If the Left were in power, not a drop of this stuff...from the Steele Dossier to Hillary sending bogus oppo research to the FBI through State...would have seen the light of day. Nor would we know anything of bogus FISA warrants and the FBI spying on a GOP campaign at the behest of a Dem president and a Dem campaign (Hillary). So whilst I WILL credit Sessions with weakness and incompetence, and Rosenstein with bias and corruption...and god knows with Mueller at this point...you cannot assert that the situation is not radically different than it would have been under a Hillary administration.

[Mesaclone]

   I'm watching the wrecks on the Daytona 500, reminds me a lot of my postings.

   My girl's out, proving once again, woman can't drive!

I got 3 daughters and a wife....them's fightin' words in mi casa!

That said, you should probably post more pictures of hot female Daytona drivers to prove your point!

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[Mesaclone]

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You make a strong case, Corbe...I don't even remember the issue at this point!

[INVAR]

Simply...factually...incorrect. Support for the GOP is at the 84%-8%....As usual, you mistake in inability to get 60 votes (or even 51) in the Senate as an unwillingness to pass conservative legislation...but a narrow majority cannot sustain defections from 5-7 liberal Republican Senators.

You party hacks are welcome to attempt to justify your Party's Liberal Statism and reneged promises that YOUR LEADERSHIP MADE to your heart's content. We're not buying the bullshit anymore. The fruits speak and they are shit.

Your wish, perhaps, not theirs

Bullshit.  I remember the words, I was there in Fancy Farm when McConnell said the things he did.  We read his threats to punch the Tea Party in the nose and his vows to crush us.

Your party's very actions - then and at the last two conventions more than illustrated the fact that your party hates and holds Conservatives in as much contempt, if not moreso than the Democrats do.  Your party continues to illustrate the abject embarrassment they have for fiscal and religious Conservatives who do not support the do-nothing finance the liberal agenda your party has accomplished.

...as for retribution, it will come to you...and all of us...in the form of perpetual Democrat/Left wing governance brought in to being by misguided fools who split the vote on the Right.

Your party made that a permanence and deficit FUNDED it to be so!   As for retribution- I have watched your party go to war on Conservatives and destroy those the Establishment did not want in a seat they wanted a liberal to be in.  It is your party and it's leadership whom Conservatives have had to fear for retribution far more regularly than the Marxist Left.

That's a lot of "we" verbiage...but the truth is, the "we" you cite is a fringe of about 10-15% of Trump hating conservatives. Enough, yes, to hand an election to the Far Left. Not enough to achieve ANYTHING legislatively.

Whatever it takes bub.  We're off your plantation and working to do something different and vote for a different party.  You can go to war on that all you like, we frankly don't care.

You people made us the enemy in the last several years - I for one intend to live up to all the charges and threats made by your party and it's leadership.

What you seem to want is for a small fringe of the farthest right edges of conservatism...to assume power and dictate to the nation.

You're the people calling us 'dangerous' and 'traitors' for refusing vote for the candidates and party you demand we vote for.  I'd say assuming power to dictate to the nation how they should vote and support is what you are all about.

Nothing less will do for you, apparently.

Enjoy the 'less' that you and your party have worked so hard to achieve.  Your party has been selling us liberal shit sandwiches and telling us to eat them for years because demanding an actual edible Conservative sandwich is a bridge too far for you and your party.  So yes, we will settle for nothing less than a true Principled Constitutional Conservative sandwich.  You can go ahead and peddle the liberal shit sandwich to the gullible and the unprincipled and tell them how great tasting it is.  Knock your socks off.

Splicing off a small fraction of that coalition...the farthest edge of conservatism...and thinking it can win an election by itself...is the definition of stupid.

Wrong.  Voting for the Republican Party and expecting them to live up to promises and enacting a Conservative agenda is the definition of stupid... and insanity.

[DB]

Bullshit.  I remember the words, I was there in Fancy Farm when McConnell said the things he did.  We read his threats to punch the Tea Party in the nose and his vows to crush us.

I tend to think the GOP leadership was quietly supporting the IRS targeting Tea Party people because they wanted them out. That's why all those caught red handed in the IRS walked away with essentially no consequences while at the same time the GOP was making lots of noise for political points - herding the party faithful to raise money - but taking no actual action.

[driftdiver]

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@corbe

Just remember, she got the job for her driving ability.


 

[libertybele]

You cannot keep voting for the same idiots and have the same leadership and expect a different outcome.  Trump saw an opportunity to run for Prez based on the frustration of those on the right and for the most part he sold to people what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately I think many people fail to comprehend that Trump is one person and we have 535 members of Congress that play significant roles in determining what they will allow him to do as well as the courts.