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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2018, 03:42:51 pm »
Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies.  We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.

He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2018, 03:44:00 pm »
If the Dems take over... they'll do everything we have wanted GOP leadership to do. Change the rules. Do away with the filibuster and turn passage of all legislation and judges into simple majority.
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That will be the first thing they do, change the rules.  Then, Trump will have to veto, surely he will - or not.  Again, if they have 2/3 majority to override his veto, they will.  If they have 2/3 majority they will impeach.

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2018, 03:54:24 pm »
THE GOP deserves to lose.

There is no reason whatsoever to vote for their party or anyone in it.

They have fully illustrated that there is no difference in results of you vote for a Democrat or a Republican - because the end result will be the Democrat agenda being funded, strengthened and permanently entrenched.

This is why the GOP will lose in November.

People now recognize there is no reason to vote for them, and they are not excited or willing to crawl over broken glass to elect them.

No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you. Those who believe that because the party can't give them every single thing they want...it should be removed from power, and replaced by a radically left party. Such people, because they likely have never experienced civil conflict or war, hope that this will cause an explosion in the country that will somehow end with some sort of fundamentalist-extreme right...but benevolent...dictatorship (disturbingly akin to German conservatives seeking to blow up the old Weimar government between the World wars). Like those German conservatives, the real result will likely not be anything remotely similar to their hoped for outcome.

If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.

Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous. Its dangerous because the ignorant and the foolish believe this simple wrong over the much more complex truth...why think if you can simply chant an idiotic slogan like "throw them all out" or "Bush lied, people died" or even "its the Jews".  People easily assume that "blowing up" the system will end with a new and "clean" government that is magically and benevolently right in line with their own ideology and moral view of the world....because they WANT to believe such a thing. Quite simply, its more likely that unicorns will populate the great plains.

If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.

Let's...for the love of God...not give in to such a dark and empty dream. Democracy...as it exists within our Republic...has ever been an ugly and blunt tool for expressing the will of the people. Yet it is, without doubt, the best such means of governance the world has yet invented. As such, it is not only our best hope for overcoming the dark ideologies of the political extremes...it is our only hope.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2018, 04:02:39 pm »
No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you. Those who believe that because the party can't give them every single thing they want...it should be removed from power, and replaced by a radically left party. Such people, because they likely have never experienced civil conflict or war, hope that this will cause an explosion in the country that will somehow end with some sort of fundamentalist-extreme right...but benevolent...dictatorship (disturbingly akin to German conservatives seeking to blow up the old Weimar government between the World wars). Like those German conservatives, the real result will likely not be anything remotely similar to their hoped for outcome.

If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.

Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous. Its dangerous because the ignorant and the foolish believe this simple wrong over the much more complex truth...why think if you can simply chant an idiotic slogan like "throw them all out" or "Bush lied, people died" or even "its the Jews".  People easily assume that "blowing up" the system will end with a new and "clean" government that is magically and benevolently right in line with their own ideology and moral view of the world....because they WANT to believe such a thing. Quite simply, its more likely that unicorns will populate the great plains.

If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.

Let's...for the love of God...not give in to such a dark and empty dream. Democracy...as it exists within our Republic...has ever been an ugly and blunt tool for expressing the will of the people. Yet it is, without doubt, the best such means of governance the world has yet invented. As such, it is not only our best hope for overcoming the dark ideologies of the political extremes...it is our only hope.

Still lost in an orange haze and in complete denial of reality I see.

Sad.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2018, 04:08:22 pm »
Still lost in an orange haze and in complete denial of reality I see.

Sad.

What is sad, is that the best refutation you have is a simple insult of the president and a baseless assertion of denial. There is not a point in what I wrote that is not demonstrably supported by the history of this nation and of political systems in general. Those who criticize the GOP and our President for what they have not achieved choose to ignore that the very form of our Republic limits what a narrow majority can constitutionally achieve...and they selectively ignore the major items that HAVE been achieved. So your adjective "sad" is appropriate, you just don't understand what it applies to.

And frankly, even your childish insult "orange" is misplaced...as never once did I invoke the President in my posting.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #30 on: February 18, 2018, 04:09:43 pm »
Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies.  We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.

He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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Defeatist and negative?  Nope.  Realistic?  yes. 

It's long past time for us to realize the Republican Party is dying... or more accurately, is committing suicide.  It really doesn't want to live.   There is no real difference between the two parties anymore and hasn't been for a long time.   Since the party has decided it will not embrace conservativism, what's left is liberalism.  This country can't sustain two liberal parties.  One will have to go, and that one will be the Republican Party. 

Trying to save the Republican Party is a waste of time.  It doesn't want to be saved.   So why should any of us even try?   To save us from the Democrats?  The Republican Party is the Democrat Party.  A viable alternative to the Rats doesn't exist anymore.

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #31 on: February 18, 2018, 04:10:50 pm »
Not going to lose seats in the senate.  They should pick up at least 3

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #32 on: February 18, 2018, 04:15:01 pm »
Gosh how I love all the defeatist and negative nellies.  We might as well just give up eh.
Mitch doesn't care so why would he fight for it.

He can't lead us in victory why would we follow him to defeat.
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Defeatist and negative?  Nope.  Realistic?  yes. 

It's long past time for us to realize the Republican Party is dying... or more accurately, is committing suicide.  It really doesn't want to live.   There is no real difference between the two parties anymore and hasn't been for a long time.   Since the party has decided it will not embrace conservativism, what's left is liberalism.  This country can't sustain two liberal parties.  One will have to go, and that one will be the Republican Party. 

Trying to save the Republican Party is a waste of time.  It doesn't want to be saved.   So why should any of us even try?   To save us from the Democrats?  The Republican Party is the Democrat Party.  A viable alternative to the Rats doesn't exist anymore.

The difference between the parties is stark...and clear as a bell. It is quite literally the difference between a Justice Thomas and a Justice Sotomayor....the difference between weaponizing the organs of government against a rival party, and not doing so...the difference between defeating ISIS and allowing it to metastasize into a regional power...and these differences go on interminably. Do not mistake the GOP's lack of conservative votes to achieve all that its supporters want...for the willful and deliberate socialism of the Left. Doing so may seem easy...to the intellectually slow...but it is factually and morally false.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #34 on: February 18, 2018, 04:18:00 pm »
Not going to lose seats in the senate.  They should pick up at least 3

If generic and congressional polling continues trending as it has the past 60 days, this is very possible. Would go a LONG ways to canceling out the votes of faux Republicans like Graham, Collins and Murkowski (among others)....especially if we find ourselves with two new GOP Senators from Arizona by next year.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #35 on: February 18, 2018, 04:25:05 pm »
If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule.


If he was still alive, seeing what the GOP has become and what passes as conservativism would kill him.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #36 on: February 18, 2018, 04:28:10 pm »
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Cut spending? Nope...

Deported the known illegals? Nope...

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2018, 04:36:40 pm »
Given how many more Senate seats the Dems have to defend than the Reps, the Republicans should be able to retain a Senate majority; however, "the Resistance" on the left has certainly energized the Democrats, and I expect Democratic turnout to be extremely high (as we saw in Virginia, Alabama, and many of the special elections held over the past year).

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2018, 05:26:56 pm »
Given how many more Senate seats the Dems have to defend than the Reps, the Republicans should be able to retain a Senate majority; however, "the Resistance" on the left has certainly energized the Democrats, and I expect Democratic turnout to be extremely high (as we saw in Virginia, Alabama, and many of the special elections held over the past year).



It's about time somebody pointed out the mathematically obvious.  If the GOP manages to lose seats in this election, it would be because McConnell deliberately throws them, because he prefers to be a Minority Leader.  A theory I have long held about Turtle.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2018, 05:30:41 pm »
Well, well, McConnell will more than likely get his wish.  Once the DEMS retake the Senate and possibly the House, impeachment proceedings will certainly be on 'their' agenda.  I look for full-blown amnesty, shredding of the 2nd amendment and a massive immigration/refugee influx.  The GOP will be finished and this country will be transformed.

And they did it to themselves.

We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2018, 05:37:31 pm »
No. If the GOP loses it will be because of foolish voters like you.

I hope so.  I have made it my mission to make sure your party goes the way of the Whigs.

If Reagan were still alive, he'd be full bore trying to crush this self destructive stupidity that seeks to find some sort of nebulous conservative victory by destroying the GOP and actually helping a radically Leftist Dem party assume rule. The only possible result of such a tactic is that extremism eventually emerges victorious...be that of the Leftist or Rightist variety. Such people, driven by radical Marxism or an equally idiotic desire to bring on some sort of religious American apocalypse, are the true enemies of our Constitution AND of the concept of a genuinely democratic Republic.

Yeah you tyrant-wannabes have already declared us enemies of the state for refusing to vote for whom you demanded we vote for last cycle.  I find you people as egregiously tyrannical and despotic in intent and desire as the Democrats if not moreso.

Its always appealing to sit back and say "the whole system must be blown up" or "they're all the same"...its the intellectually lazy choice, and that makes it dangerous.

Well, we will be waiting for imbeciles and wannabe tyrants of party purity like you to render people like us 'less dangerous' to your party.

If we on the right give in to this kind of simpleton rhetoric, we will end up in some sort of horrific civil conflict OR...best case...endure a lifetime of living under the Far Left's version of political Nirvana. Or worse...the darkest elements of the Far Right will somehow emerge and destroy our liberties as surely as the Far Left would.

You are projecting as usual.  You have declared us to be dangerous enemies of the state simply over whom we refuse to support or vote for.  As such - any conflict is going to be instigated by morons like you or your counterparts at the Marxist-end of the spectrum. 

...it is our only hope.

Well you go ahead and think Trump and the Republican party is your only hope.

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2018, 05:48:08 pm »
And they did it to themselves.

We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.

IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts.  Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2018, 05:56:52 pm »
And they did it to themselves.

We gave them the POTUS, the House, the Senate and other than tax cuts they haven't done a single thing they promised to.

And they only increased spending with those tax cuts... Stupid. Increased spending only increases the size of government regardless of the retoric.

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2018, 06:02:29 pm »
IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts.  Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.


Until the Jones/Moore fiasco, they had held four seats put up to special election for Trump appointees.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #44 on: February 18, 2018, 06:04:45 pm »

Until the Jones/Moore fiasco, they had held four seats put up to special election for Trump appointees.

Well that was also before the GOP folded on Obamacare, the wall, dreamers, etc...

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #45 on: February 18, 2018, 06:07:42 pm »
IIRC the GOP has lost all the special elections so far to include some in deep red districts.  Looks like they could lose another one in PA as well and all of this has happened before the actual mid terms elections have even happened.

The GOP made it clear that they had absolutely ZERO intention of doing anything they campaigned they were going to do.  From repealing ObamaCare "Root and branch" to cutting the deficit, to pushing Amnesty themselves  - the Republican Party is clearly revealed to be nothing more than the Uniparty many have declared it to be part of in concert with Democrats - good cop, bad cop in a shell game to mesmerize the gullible.

Not to mention the war the Republican party waged on actual Conservatives - destroying grass-roots Conservatism; changing the rules to prevent anyone except whom the leadership chooses for national candidate to become a candidate; warning Conservatives to 'shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose'; propping up half-dead senile Establishment hacks over Conservative challengers; actually funding and declaring support for the Democrat candidates when the Establishment's pick lost a primary.   

The GOP not only deserves to lose, their party needs to go the way of the Whigs.

Time to do something different, outside of and away from the cesspool at Mordor on the Potomac.

They deserve to lose and go the way of the Whigs.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #46 on: February 18, 2018, 06:07:45 pm »
If the Dems take over... they'll do everything we have wanted GOP leadership to do. Change the rules. Do away with the filibuster and turn passage of all legislation and judges into simple majority.

Exactly.  Makes you wonder why the GOP hasn't jumped on the opportunities that they have.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #47 on: February 18, 2018, 06:16:49 pm »
Exactly.  Makes you wonder why the GOP hasn't jumped on the opportunities that they have.


It brings too much pressure from actual conservative advocates.  They want to portray themselves as a deliberative body and not the majority mob rulers, like the House members, representing the unwashed masses.


"The core of the Senate is the legislative filibuster," McConnell said. "This notion that this (changing the filibuster rule to confirm Gorsuch) somehow bleeds over into the legislative filibuster is untrue. I'm opposed to it ... I think that's what fundamentally changes the Senate."

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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #48 on: February 18, 2018, 06:26:01 pm »
    With all due respect @Mesaclone

   Some of US Briefers feel that what you describe as 'could happen' if Conservatives sit on their azz and refuse to vote for the Uniparty has indeed already happened, in 2016 with the marriage of the GOP and DJT.
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Re: McConnell: GOP expects to lose Senate, House seats in midterms
« Reply #49 on: February 18, 2018, 07:13:42 pm »
The GOP made it clear that they had absolutely ZERO intention of doing anything they campaigned they were going to do.  From repealing ObamaCare "Root and branch" to cutting the deficit, to pushing Amnesty themselves  - the Republican Party is clearly revealed to be nothing more than the Uniparty many have declared it to be part of in concert with Democrats - good cop, bad cop in a shell game to mesmerize the gullible.

Not to mention the war the Republican party waged on actual Conservatives - destroying grass-roots Conservatism; changing the rules to prevent anyone except whom the leadership chooses for national candidate to become a candidate; warning Conservatives to 'shut up, sit down or get punched in the nose'; propping up half-dead senile Establishment hacks over Conservative challengers; actually funding and declaring support for the Democrat candidates when the Establishment's pick lost a primary.   

The GOP not only deserves to lose, their party needs to go the way of the Whigs.

Time to do something different, outside of and away from the cesspool at Mordor on the Potomac.

They deserve to lose and go the way of the Whigs.

I will never forget how Turtle was glowing with pride as he boasted of "destroying" conservatives and the Tea Party.  I knew for sure right then what I'd always suspected about him.  He's four-square against us.
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