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A two-year spending deal means Republicans probably won’t go to the trouble of passing a formal budget for 2019. That would mean no chance for a so-called reconciliation process that could allow them to enact meaningful legislation with only 50 votes in the Senate. If Republicans accept this deal and then forgo the reconciliation process, they will have given up their chance to pass a law without Democratic support, and measures such as easing the Obamacare regulations that will contribute to higher premiums in the coming years or reforming welfare will stand no chance of making it through Congress. With this deal, Republicans are hurting the chance to add to their ledger of accomplishments prior to November.

https://hotair.com/archives/2018/02/09/gop-sell-obamacare-repeal-budget-deal/
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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2018, 05:53:43 pm »
...It seems highly unlikely that they could accomplish that with another reconciliation vehicle in 2018 with only 51 Senators. If they can pick up several more seats in the midterms, they can add a reconciliation vehicle for the FY2020 budget resolution and try again in the fall of 2019, but that’s a long string of ifs, and it depends on holding the House....

...What this does mean is that Republicans can’t even pretend to promise an ObamaCare repeal any longer. Just like they can’t pretend to care about deficits and national debt. At the very least, this has been a clarifying — if depressing — exercise....

So what we will get is the same old routine of "we couldn't get it done because the Rats won't cooperate so vote for us and give us more seats". I'm so tired of being played for a fool. They think passing tax reform is enough. It's not even close.
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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2018, 06:22:11 pm »
...What this does mean is that Republicans can’t even pretend to promise an ObamaCare repeal any longer. Just like they can’t pretend to care about deficits and national debt. At the very least, this has been a clarifying — if depressing — exercise....

So what we will get is the same old routine of "we couldn't get it done because the Rats won't cooperate so vote for us and give us more seats". I'm so tired of being played for a fool. They think passing tax reform is enough. It's not even close.

Of course the Republicans think you are a fool.  They think we are idiots and they hold us in contempt and play these stupid games thinking we are going to forget about their bullshit reneged promises next election cycle when their hordes of party hacks intimidate you into believing it's a binary choice and you have to vote for the lesser evil, no matter what.

The GOP never had any intention to repeal Obamacare.  This gives them the cover 'we cannot shut down the government' to keep it in perpetuity - exactly as we warned that they would do.

And for all of Trump's promises to do stuff "on day one" - like fools, the populists bought it hook, line and sinker.

We are past the days of the Republican wars and are into the reign of caesars now. 

Eventually the bill comes due - and like Rome - we look to go out far more spectacularly and in instant fashion rather than a slow grind of three millennia to oblivion.

With today's technology that time will be compressed into years or months.
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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2018, 06:28:47 pm »
I don't see how Obamacare can survive without the individual mandate anyway, which has been repealed.

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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2018, 06:34:54 pm »
I don't see how Obamacare can survive without the individual mandate anyway, which has been repealed.

The individual mandate tax comes back when the personal side of the tax reform package expires in 2025. The underlying rules and regulations are still on the books. The next radical leftist POTUS just needs to enforce them and next Rat majority Senate just needs to let the tax cuts expire "for the good of the country".

IOW, it comes back.
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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2018, 06:39:01 pm »
The GOP sold out ObamaCare repeal the day Obama left office.

And no, it doesn't take 60 Senate votes to not fund something.
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Re: Did GOP sell out ObamaCare repeal in budget deal? Update: Trump signs
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2018, 06:46:34 pm »
I don't see how Obamacare can survive without the individual mandate anyway, which has been repealed.

Seriously?



The government is already printing up a trillion dollars in new money every year.  They should have no problem printing up two or three hundred million more.
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