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Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« on: February 04, 2018, 04:48:58 pm »
Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
By Alan Dershowitz, opinion contributor — 02/02/18 05:35 PM EST

The Republicans have now released the memo containing their version of what is in the controversial FSIA application. Not surprisingly, the Democrats have a different version. It should be easy to decide whose “truth” is more credible: Let the American public see the application itself — instead of second-hand, partisan accounts — and let us decide for ourselves.

The problem with that obvious solution is that the application is currently classified. But classification should never be used – as it often is – for political benefit or to protect agencies or individuals from just criticism. Let a nonpartisan expert decide what must be redacted for genuine security concerns, and let the remainder of the application be released.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2018, 04:50:23 pm »
Amen to that. 
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2018, 05:02:02 pm »
Dershowitz is absolutely correct IMO.  I've been saying all along that there's no way for we, the American people, to really know what ground truth is by reviewing partisan summaries of the FISA warrant process.  We'll only know what was really in the application by seeing the FISA warrant application itself.  From Dershowitz's piece:

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The Republican memo, standing alone, raises questions about the process by which the warrants were obtained from the FISA court. The Democratic memo, if it is forthcoming, may purport to answer those questions. But it will never be able to answer them definitively without an objective assessment of the actual FISA application itself.
 
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2018, 05:08:26 pm »
Quote from: Concerned on February 04, 2018, 05:02:02 pm
Dershowitz is absolutely correct IMO.  I've been saying all along that there's no way for we, the American people, to really know what ground truth is by reviewing partisan summaries of the FISA warrant process.  We'll only know what was really in the application by seeing the FISA warrant application itself.  From Dershowitz's piece:

We're never going to 'see' the warrant applications.

That said, we already have evidence of Obama weaponizing government to go after political enemies both small, low and high.

Anyone remember Lois Lerner?  IRS ring any bells?
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2018, 05:12:21 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on February 04, 2018, 05:08:26 pm
We're never going to 'see' the warrant applications.

That said, we already have evidence of Obama weaponizing government to go after political enemies both small, low and high.

Anyone remember Lois Lerner?  IRS ring any bells?

I agree we'll never see the FISA applications.  As a result, we'll never truly KNOW what's in the applications:  we'll only know the little pieces of (misleading) information both the Republicans and the Democrats want us to see.  Truly sad that both parties are now weaponizing classified intelligence for their own political (and potentially legal) gain. 
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2018, 05:20:31 pm »
Agree with this 100%.

We'll get it through FOIA 20 years from now, though.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2018, 05:26:50 pm »
Quote from: Concerned on February 04, 2018, 05:12:21 pm
I agree we'll never see the FISA applications.  As a result, we'll never truly KNOW what's in the applications:  we'll only know the little pieces of (misleading) information both the Republicans and the Democrats want us to see.  Truly sad that both parties are now weaponizing classified intelligence for their own political (and potentially legal) gain.

I do not refer to both parties in DC as 'the Oligarchy' without reason. 

Right now we simply have a variation of Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin happening; needing each other and thus working together to achieve near the same goals - but bitterly opposed and hated one another to the point of subterfuge, murder and cover-up.
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2018, 05:27:50 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on February 04, 2018, 05:08:26 pm
We're never going to 'see' the warrant applications.

That said, we already have evidence of Obama weaponizing government to go after political enemies both small, low and high.

Anyone remember Lois Lerner?  IRS ring any bells?

So why hasn’t Trump started a prosecution of her?
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2018, 05:48:50 pm »
Alan Dershowitz is one of those people that you may politically disagree with on certain issues but you have to admire his integrity and his attempt to try to remain open minded on some of these things
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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2018, 05:51:13 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on February 04, 2018, 05:27:50 pm
So why hasn’t Trump started a prosecution of her?

Perhaps ask Jeff Sessions about that.  Brady and Roskam sent a letter last year demanding criminal prosecution of overt chargeable offenses that were ignored by the “not a smidgeon of corruption” Obama regime and the Republican-led investigatory committees.

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Re: Alan Dershowitz on the Nunes memo: Republican 'truth' and Democratic 'truth'
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2018, 05:54:43 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on February 04, 2018, 05:51:13 pm
Perhaps ask Jeff Sessions about that.  Brady and Roskam sent a letter last year demanding criminal prosecution of overt chargeable offenses that were ignored by the “not a smidgeon of corruption” Obama regime and the Republican-led investigatory committees.



Why shouldn’t I ask the president of the United States, and head of the executive?
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