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Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« on: January 31, 2018, 12:36:43 am »
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A former FBI special agent, who worked extensively on counterterrorism related cases, stated they were “dumbfounded” by the FBI’s original excuse that the text messages were irretrievable.

“Even though the servers ‘lost’ the text messages of Strzok they would still be on his actual device, even if he deleted them,” stated the former FBI special agent, who asked to speak on background due to the sensitivity of the case. “That’s how we catch bad guys, we forensically search their phones. Nothing disappears off the device, nothing… unless they take a hammer to it or microwave it. The question is, the FBI knows this, so why did the bureau say they couldn’t retrieve them – why did they mislead Congress.”

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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2018, 12:41:40 am »
Nothing disappears off the device, nothing… unless they take a hammer to it or microwave it.

Well that's not exactly right.


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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2018, 12:45:56 am »
Sara Carter is due a Pulitzer!
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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2018, 12:51:25 am »
Once the flash memory is written over, its gone. "Deleting" doesn't write over it. It just indicates the memory is free to use. If you delete it and then receive enough new data/messages that overwrite the deleted message it can no longer be retrieved on the device. So it depends on how many new messages are received after deleting the message and how much flash your device has. The more flash memory the longer it will likely take before it tries to use that specific location again.

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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2018, 12:51:57 am »
My cynicism has fermented far too long....don't trust this entire story of 'lost texts'.

IMO, they created 2 batches...one destroyed and one for 'retrieval'.   
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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2018, 12:52:01 am »
Ghost text? Looks like it is time to find Scooby Douche for some investigations...




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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2018, 01:02:02 am »
Once the flash memory is written over, its gone. "Deleting" doesn't write over it. It just indicates the memory is free to use. If you delete it and then receive enough new data/messages that overwrite the deleted message it can no longer be retrieved on the device. So it depends on how many new messages are received after deleting the message and how much flash your device has. The more flash memory the longer it will likely take before it tries to use that specific location again.

Can't the overwriting sometimes be erased to reveal the earlier message?  Isn't that what the RESTORE command does on a laptop? 

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2018, 01:04:35 am »
Can't the overwriting sometimes be erased to reveal the earlier message?  Isn't that what the RESTORE command does on a laptop?

Also, doesn't the NSA vacuum cleaner collect all of our text messages for possible later examination?

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2018, 06:09:10 am »
Also, doesn't the NSA vacuum cleaner collect all of our text messages for possible later examination?

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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2018, 09:56:47 am »
Can't the overwriting sometimes be erased to reveal the earlier message?  Isn't that what the RESTORE command does on a laptop?

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No. Restore/undelete software merely restores visibility to a file that has been marked for deletion, but which has not yet been overwritten (That's a bit simplistic, but generally true).

Most local email systems add another complication, as deleted emails remain (marked for deletion but rendered invisible) until the mail files are 'compacted'. Since the mail is generally kept within a single compressed file, when the file is 'compacted' the compressed file is virtually rewritten without the deleted emails. It is nearly impossible to find the bits and pieces on the disk

But if local mail is compacted and a typical free-space wiper is employed (even just writing zeros) there is damn little left. Use a government wipe, and it is pretty impossible to recover anything. And it is a pretty simple script and a couple tools away from automation.

That all excludes web mail and outlook/exchange based email, and doesn't consider web based or machine to machine backups (like when you back up your phone to your desktop or to the cloud) which all provide, or can provide off-machine backups which can be accessed.

Hope that is clear enough.

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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2018, 10:06:39 am »
Also, doesn't the NSA vacuum cleaner collect all of our text messages for possible later examination?

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Perhaps. Your ISP is required to retain 7 years of your transmissions too. An easy work-around is found in encrypting your email and using an onion router to do your nefarious surfing.

But far better (and the obvious answer for hackers everywhere) is to retain a machine just for your dirty work, which has no connection to you, and no identifying information on-board. A simple trip to any hotel parking lot or coffee shop, and the use of a mac-addy spoofer make you pretty anonymous.
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Re: Forensic Experts Retrieve ‘Ghost Texts’
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2018, 05:14:48 pm »
Thanks, @roamer_1.