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By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« on: January 26, 2018, 12:59:39 pm »
National Review
Michael Barone
Jan. 26, 2018

He will keep his leverage on immigration as long as he continues emphasizing specific demands in clear language.


He who frames the issue tends to determine the outcome of the election. That’s an old political consultant’s rule, and its application has never been more apt than in the Senate Democrats’ failed government shutdown over immigration policy.

Issue framing is especially important on immigration. It’s an issue on which small percentages of voters on different sides have very strong views and on which the large majority of voters with less interest have conflicting views.

More... http://www.nationalreview.com/article/455793/trump-immigration-policy-benefits-eschewing-euphemism
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2018, 01:24:17 pm »
What leverage?  Amnesty is amnesty.  He promised NO amnesty.  He concedes to DACA it's the end of the GOP and the end of this country's sovereignty.  Perhaps that's been his agenda all along and perhaps he's been on team Clinton/Bammy all along.  During the presidential campaign I thought that perhaps Trump was nothing more than a siphon for the DEMS ... I'm beginning to think I was right.

So far he has FAILED on repealing Bammycare. He is FAILING on building the wall and he is FAILING on his promise of no amnesty.  He's delivered on a conservative SCOTUS (so far) and he's cut taxes.  While on the surface he seems to be bringing jobs back and putting more $$ into people's paychecks, those gains could very well be wiped out as there are those predicting that the deep tax cuts could trigger a hefty bump in inflation, which I feel is plausible, and then there's the weakening dollar...time will tell of course.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/making-america-great-again-by-destroying-the-dollar-is-bad-for-the-average-american-investor-2018-01-25



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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2018, 02:12:41 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 26, 2018, 01:24:17 pm
What leverage?  Amnesty is amnesty.  He promised NO amnesty.  He concedes to DACA it's the end of the GOP and the end of this country's sovereignty.  Perhaps that's been his agenda all along and perhaps he's been on team Clinton/Bammy all along.  During the presidential campaign I thought that perhaps Trump was nothing more than a siphon for the DEMS ... I'm beginning to think I was right.

So far he has FAILED on repealing Bammycare. He is FAILING on building the wall and he is FAILING on his promise of no amnesty.  He's delivered on a conservative SCOTUS (so far) and he's cut taxes.  While on the surface he seems to be bringing jobs back and putting more $$ into people's paychecks, those gains could very well be wiped out as there are those predicting that the deep tax cuts could trigger a hefty bump in inflation, which I feel is plausible, and then there's the weakening dollar...time will tell of course.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/making-america-great-again-by-destroying-the-dollar-is-bad-for-the-average-american-investor-2018-01-25

He's done what he can about illegal immigration. It's up to Congress.

He's done what he can about Obamacare. It's up to Congress.

The dollar is weaker vis-a-vis other currencies. There's a difference between pursuing a weaker dollar and allowing the market to work the dollar to a realistic level.

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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2018, 02:23:39 pm »
Quote from: endicom on January 26, 2018, 02:12:41 pm
He's done what he can about illegal immigration. It's up to Congress.

He's done what he can about Obamacare. It's up to Congress.

The dollar is weaker vis-a-vis other currencies. There's a difference between pursuing a weaker dollar and allowing the market to work the dollar to a realistic level.

Yes it's up to Congress, but at the end of the day right now he is conceding on granting amnesty and conceding on the wall, by putting $$ in a trust fund.  Congress makes and passes legislation -- he is still the one that has to sign off.  If you recall, Congress did send a bill to Bammy on healthcare -- he refused to sign it.  He's also asked SCOTUS to rule on DACA -- which if they decide to take the case, their ruling will relieve either party from responsibility.

As for the dollar -- Trump himself stated that the dollar was too strong and wanted to see a weaker dollar.  Again, Trump isn't going to do anything or make any deal that is going to negatively affect HIS pockets.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 02:29:13 pm »
He ceded his leverage before the negotiations even started.  Shumer and Durbin have to be ecstatic right now.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 02:47:22 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 26, 2018, 02:29:13 pm
He ceded his leverage before the negotiations even started.  Shumer and Durbin have to be ecstatic right now.

Probably but they can't help but screw themselves out of the deal by trying to hurt Trump.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2018, 02:48:32 pm »
Quote from: Restored on January 26, 2018, 02:47:22 pm
Probably but they can't help but screw themselves out of the deal by trying to hurt Trump.

That may well be true.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 02:52:43 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 26, 2018, 02:23:39 pm
As for the dollar -- Trump himself stated that the dollar was too strong and wanted to see a weaker dollar.  Again, Trump isn't going to do anything or make any deal that is going to negatively affect HIS pockets.


If he said the dollar was too strong then that indicates the dollar was being held too high. Let the market decide.

How does this fill his pockets?

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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 03:01:14 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 26, 2018, 02:29:13 pm
He ceded his leverage before the negotiations even started.  Shumer and Durbin have to be ecstatic right now.

Agreed.  The gov't shutdown gave the GOP their 5 minutes of hoorays and pats on the backs and nothing more.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 03:06:07 pm »
Quote from: endicom on January 26, 2018, 02:52:43 pm

If he said the dollar was too strong then that indicates the dollar was being held too high. Let the market decide.

How does this fill his pockets?

By making it cheaper to do business in the U.S. he lines his pockets because more people will be investing $$ here which benefits his businesses that he has in the U.S. which he then in turn can take those profits and add on to his corporations here and abroad.  I'm not saying that he's not helping the U.S. economy right now, but again, he's not going to do anything that's not going to benefit him as well.
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 03:10:17 pm »
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 03:17:22 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 26, 2018, 03:01:14 pm
Agreed.  The gov't shutdown gave the GOP their 5 minutes of hoorays and pats on the backs and nothing more.

Perhaps but we know that if he didn't suggest this the Dems would have used it as a sticking point.   The problem is the Senate and the weak leadership
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Re: By Avoiding Euphemism, Trump Frames Immigration His Way
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 03:42:52 pm »
Quote from: driftdiver on January 26, 2018, 03:17:22 pm
Perhaps but we know that if he didn't suggest this the Dems would have used it as a sticking point.   The problem is the Senate and the weak leadership

I would agree with you that frequently that is the case, but this one is on Trump.  The Senate isn't out there "negotiating" an amnesty.
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