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Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War
« on: January 15, 2018, 12:50:23 pm »
Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War

By CHRISTOPHER F. SCHUETZE and PALKO KARASZJAN. 12, 2018


BERLIN — “It was a very touching moment. It brought back memories of a time when as a young man I had sworn to fight the wall.”

Those were the words of Carl-Wolfgang Holzapfel, a 73-year-old retiree who says that he helped dig a tunnel under the Berlin Wall in the 1960s.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/world/europe/berlin-wall-tunnel.html
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2018, 05:57:06 pm »
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2018, 06:10:44 pm »
Fewer and fewer people even know what "the Cold War," was.

When I heard of the false alarm in Hawaii, it brought back memories of the ever present fear through school years, of nuclear weapons.

There was a Nike Missile site one town over from mine. We did Boy Scout hikes, to the site.

http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sites/la-29-l.php
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2018, 06:31:57 pm »
Fewer and fewer people even know what "the Cold War," was.

When I heard of the false alarm in Hawaii, it brought back memories of the ever present fear through school years, of nuclear weapons.

There was a Nike Missile site one town over from mine. We did Boy Scout hikes, to the site.

http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sites/la-29-l.php

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I went to Russia as a tourist a couple of times right after Communism collapsed,and had a lot of fun comparing Cold War notes with Russian citizens. Mostly females. When I told them about the "duck and cower under your desks in case of a nuclear attack" drills that we had here in the 50's,they would all laugh and tell me they not only had the same stupid drills,they had the same stupid jokes about them,like "bend over and kiss your ass goodby".

Seems like the Soviet citizens in at least two Soviet cities weren't as ignorant of life in the west as we thought. One woman's husband told me that his father had been a Major in the KGB,and he grew up in a house where his own father had tapped the phone lines to make sure neither he nor his brother were involved in "subversive activity". Then he laughed and told me it did his father no good because he had built his own radio so he and his friends could listen to rock and roll music on the Voice of America. He became a KGB electronics specialist himself as an adult,and served in the Red Army in East Germany,monitoring radio frequencies,and spending as much time as he could listening to western music and news broadcasts when no one was around.

He was also an absolute gun freak,and somehow had acquired a Weapons of the World book that was printed in Russian. Knew it so well he would ask me what guns I had,and I would say something like P-35 Browning,and he would reply with something like,"Oh,yes,page 917!" and flip right to it. I tried to get him and his wife to come visit me in the US for several years,but he was always too busy working to take a break. He taught electrical engineering in the local college,as well as English. His wife was a linguist there also,and spoke and read 7 different languages. In fact,I "met" her first on the internet and went there to visit her before I even knew him. She is half-Mari and half-Caucasian,and I found her while researching the origins of mankind. The Mari Republic in Russia is about 700 miles from Moscow,and the original people from that area look EXACTLY like the people we call "American Indians". Go to the Mari Museum and you will see photos from the 20's and 30's of Mari with long hair that has feathers in it,birch bark canoes,and even teepees. They were a sea of red in a white country before Stalin ordered almost everyone into cities and created industrial areas. VERY few Mari left now,due to mating with Russians. I even met one who was descended from the Mari and the a Mongol. It's surprising,but you can still see traces of the Mongol invaders in the faces of the people away from the major cities.
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Re: Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2018, 06:49:45 pm »
Fewer and fewer people even know what "the Cold War," was.

When I heard of the false alarm in Hawaii, it brought back memories of the ever present fear through school years, of nuclear weapons.

There was a Nike Missile site one town over from mine. We did Boy Scout hikes, to the site.

http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sites/la-29-l.php

Remember the "False Alarm" from 1971?

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Re: Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2018, 06:57:32 pm »
The Mari seem to be linguistically, ethnically tied to the Saami (Laps) of Scandinavia. Language related to Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian etc.

Physical appearance of both Saami and Mari varies, with some having Asian type eyes, but some also having blond or red hair.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4825891/1/

That is a cool site, for the Uralic people of Russia.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2018, 08:19:20 pm »
The Mari seem to be linguistically, ethnically tied to the Saami (Laps) of Scandinavia. Language related to Finnish, Hungarian, Estonian etc.

Physical appearance of both Saami and Mari varies, with some having Asian type eyes, but some also having blond or red hair.

http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/4825891/1/

That is a cool site, for the Uralic people of Russia.

My female friend was the one that created a written language for the Mari. She used to go to Finland every summer as a guest lecturer and teacher for the Saami,who basically look like what we call Eskimos. Then again,Eskimos look like Asians. Since they are,that kind of works out.

If you see a Mari that looks Asian,think "Mongul hordes descendant" from the time the Mongols controlled Russia. Seeing one with red or blonde hair means there has been a ethnic Russian in the woodpile,and truly most today look like Russians. Ironically enough,my friend Natalia looked Slavic even though she was half-Mari. Her husband Vladimir died several years ago and I lost contact with her.  I suspect she has probably died by now. They had no children.

I know nothing about Estonian Mari,but there was a big tribe in Hungary,and some of them may have migrated to Estonia to be closer to the sea and fishing.

BTW,if I ever get my breathing back under control and my knees fixed,I plan on making a trip to Hungary. I have a theory that the red-headed Scots are closely related to the redheads that populated the Belgrade area in ancient history,and they are both related to or the direct offspring of the Picts of ancient Scotland,and that they are all originated in northern Spain and the Basques. Same with the redheaded people of Ireland,of course.

I strongly suspect it was these people who were found buried in the desert in China back in the 1920's. Most of the graves were plundered long ago,but there are still some being uncovered,and due to the very dry climate,very revealing. One tomb is said to probably be that of a Priestess because of all jewelry entombed with her,but what was most stunning to me is she was buried sitting up in a bed fully clothed from head to toe in black,and she is wearing what would be described as a "Witches Hat" on her head.

She is described as being over 6 feet tall,with long braided red hair running down her back,and green eyes. I think these people were related to the Picts,and were probably ran out of what is now Europe by the Catholic Church,who at one time declared red-headed children to be "the spawn of Satan",which caused a lot of them to be drowned at birth. Nobody has ever seen even a drawing of a Pict,but the Romans that build a big wall to protect themselves from the Picts described them as "fierce giants with red hair that went into battle naked with their bodies painted blue. They flat scared the hell out of the Romans,but for reasons lost to history they just seemed to vanish into thin air,and nobody knows what happened to them.

Personally,I think they bred with the Basque that moved into the area to the point where they as well as the local Basque disappeared as a distinct people,and became the "Highland Scots".

It has been decades since I have given this much thought,and I suspect there has been new information discovered about all these people since then. With the ability we have now to link people by DNA,it would be hard to believe that more isn't known now.
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Re: Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2018, 09:23:53 pm »
@sneakypete From study of family trees, and from dna testing I have a good handle on my origins.

It is possible I possess a small fraction of Saami since my male line goes Scandinavia.

Pictures of Saami today appear to have a good amount of intermarriage, with non-Saami. (very similar with Native Americans, that look more or less like others)
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2018, 11:14:34 pm »
@sneakypete From study of family trees, and from dna testing I have a good handle on my origins.

 
Pictures of Saami today appear to have a good amount of intermarriage, with non-Saami. (very similar with Native Americans, that look more or less like others)

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Well,boys WILL be boys and girls WILL be girls,and strangers that look and sound different are exotic sexy.

It's just the nature of this world.

BTW,I am half-Greek,1/4 American Indian,and 1/4 Scots-Irish.
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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2018, 11:34:34 pm »
@truth_seeker

Well,boys WILL be boys and girls WILL be girls,and strangers that look and sound different are exotic sexy.

It's just the nature of this world.

BTW,I am half-Greek,1/4 American Indian,and 1/4 Scots-Irish.

Then we share the Scots-Irish. You probably share some of the Greek with my wife since she is right across in the province of Puglia (very pretty women in that region, I might add).

 
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Re: Secret Tunnel in Berlin Is an Echo From the Cold War
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2018, 03:04:51 am »
Fewer and fewer people even know what "the Cold War," was.

When I heard of the false alarm in Hawaii, it brought back memories of the ever present fear through school years, of nuclear weapons.

There was a Nike Missile site one town over from mine. We did Boy Scout hikes, to the site.

http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/sites/la-29-l.php
Heck, we didn't even have to hike, it was just 2 or 3 miles up the road.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2018, 07:42:32 pm »
Heck, we didn't even have to hike, it was just 2 or 3 miles up the road.

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.  The cemetary. Then security gates for oil fields then for military.
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