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Tulsi Gabbard: American foreign policy led to North Korea developing nuclear weapons
« on: January 14, 2018, 03:24:58 pm »
Tulsi Gabbard: American foreign policy led to North Korea developing nuclear weapons
by Sean Higgins | Jan 14, 2018, 10:19 AM

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii, said Sunday North Korea's nuclear policy was a natural and inevitable result of the U.S.'s defense policy, arguing dictator Kim Jong-Un was effectively pressured into trying to get nukes in order to counter the U.S.

"Our country's history of regime change has led to countries like North Korea to develop these weapons," Gabbard told ABC's "This Week."

"North Korea sees what we have done in countries like Iraq."

Gabbard said "decades" of U.S. policies by Republicans and Democrats were to blame for this situation.

She added she believed it was wrong of the U.S. to pursue policies of regime change in Iraq and Libya because it now sends a message to Kim that the U.S. won't be a diplomatic partner and instead will try to overthrow his regime.

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« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2018, 03:28:52 pm »
She's exactly right.
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« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2018, 03:34:59 pm »
Tulsi has some truth on her side and so the greatest President since the 1800s has to clean up these mistakes he has nothing to do with; and even his administration says now, is not the time to play the blame game. Truly class to say that. We are here and we have to deal with it.
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« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2018, 03:37:06 pm »
Quote from: TomSea on January 14, 2018, 03:34:59 pm
Tulsi has some truth on her side and so the greatest President since the 1800s has to clean up these mistakes he has nothing to do with; and even his administration says now, is not the time to play the blame game. Truly class to say that. We are here and we have to deal with it.

The "greatest president since the 1800s"???
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« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2018, 03:58:34 pm »
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The "greatest president since the 1800s"???

He's talking about Reagan, obviously. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2018, 04:07:20 pm »
All that sunshine and poi must rot brains.
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« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2018, 04:12:44 pm »
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She's exactly right.

No, she's not.  The Kim Jungs were doing this long before GWB was elected.  (I'm assuming that she's not blaming Clinton or Carter of pushing regime change.)
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« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2018, 04:18:28 pm »
Truman should have nuked that shithole when he had the chance.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: American foreign policy led to North Korea developing nuclear weapons
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 05:13:05 pm »
Quote from: Suppressed on January 14, 2018, 03:28:52 pm
She's exactly right.


Not quite.  We’re only there as a deterrent force because they invaded South Korea in June 1950 and a state of war still exists between the Koreas.  Also, there have been multiple unprovoked belligerent acts by the North under all three Kims.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 11:53:29 pm »


She's right.
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2018, 01:35:26 am »
Quote from: TomSea on January 14, 2018, 03:34:59 pm
Tulsi has some truth on her side and so the greatest President since the 1800s has to clean up these mistakes he has nothing to do with; and even his administration says now, is not the time to play the blame game. Truly class to say that. We are here and we have to deal with it.
You keep pulling your hyperbole like that and you'll strain it!
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: American foreign policy led to North Korea developing nuclear weapons
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2018, 01:36:12 am »
Tulsi sure got that "Good Old Rat Religion" once she got to DC.
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Re: Tulsi Gabbard: American foreign policy led to North Korea developing nuclear weapons
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 01:52:40 am »
She's so right! Ever since the nation of North Korea came into being the day Trump was inaugurated, they've been nothing but trouble!
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« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 02:24:31 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 14, 2018, 04:12:44 pm
No, she's not.  The Kim Jungs were doing this long before GWB was elected.  (I'm assuming that she's not blaming Clinton or Carter of pushing regime change.)

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She added she believed it was wrong of the U.S. to pursue policies of regime change in Iraq and Libya because it now sends a message to Kim that the U.S. won't be a diplomatic partner and instead will try to overthrow his regime.


Actually, maybe she is, if you want to include Hillary in this per the action in Libya.

She was Secretary of State, that seems to be her war.

Syria too, though that is not mentioned.
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« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 02:35:32 am »
Though we are not there yet, I think we are getting to a point of reconsideration on the roll of America in international affairs.

What she is saying really isn't so different than Rand and Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan and some others.

Don't forget, she is a Vet and she did serve in Iraq.
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« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 03:39:45 am »
Quote from: TomSea on January 15, 2018, 02:35:32 am
Though we are not there yet, I think we are getting to a point of reconsideration on the roll of America in international affairs.

What she is saying really isn't so different than Rand and Ron Paul, Pat Buchanan and some others.

Don't forget, she is a Vet and she did serve in Iraq.

You're not helping your argument by bringing in those three.
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« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 04:16:31 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 14, 2018, 04:12:44 pm
No, she's not.  The Kim Jungs were doing this long before GWB was elected.  (I'm assuming that she's not blaming Clinton or Carter of pushing regime change.)

@Sanguine

Seems like you didn't read before posting. It mentions "decades" and Republicans and Democrats.
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« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 04:18:50 am »
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@Sanguine

Seems like you didn't read before posting. It mentions "decades" and Republicans and Democrats.

Um, I covered both of those.   
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« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 05:03:10 am »
Quote from: Suppressed on January 14, 2018, 03:58:34 pm
He's talking about Reagan, obviously.

Yup, we have to clean up the mess Reagan's 86 amnesty made.
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« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2018, 05:04:41 am »
Quote from: Wingnut on January 14, 2018, 04:18:28 pm
Truman should have nuked that shithole when he had the chance.

Don't get me started on that idiot Truman.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 05:06:13 am »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 14, 2018, 04:12:44 pm
No, she's not.  The Kim Jungs were doing this long before GWB was elected.  (I'm assuming that she's not blaming Clinton or Carter of pushing regime change.)

Clinton certainly pushed regime change, just ask the Serbs.
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