Rand Paul: 'We don't have money to spend' for Trump's border wall

[libertybele]

Is your family from Split?   

Funny....I meant Czechoslovakian though.  My mother is first generation Czechoslovakian and my father is 2nd generation from Yugoslavia.  I do not know why my mother's family migrated here, but I do know that my father's family was offered jobs in the meat packing companies.

[Fishrrman]

The cost of the border wall is less than a pittance compared to what it will cost the United States if it's not built...

[libertybele]

The cost of the border wall is less than a pittance compared to what it will cost the United States if it's not built...

     Our sovereignty is at stake; take one look at what has happened over in Europe, particularly in Germany and tell me that there isn't a lessen to be learned and that we should all be concerned.

[Emjay]

    Our sovereignty is at stake; take one look at what has happened over in Europe, particularly in Germany and tell me that there isn't a lessen to be learned and that we should all be concerned.

If we don't learn it, we will be very sorry.

[Frank Cannon]

Oh, Rand, but we do have the money!  Eliminate the billions in foreign aid that we give, and what about Cruz's 'El Chapo' bill Rand?   What about all the pork barrel projects:

1)  $10,000,000 for high energy cost grants within the Rural Utilities Service (RUS). The RUS grew out of the remnants of the Department of Agriculture’s Rural Electrification Administration (REA) of the 1930s.

2)  $1,279,200,000 for 31 earmarks for health and disease research under the Defense Health Program, which is an 11.2 percent increase in cost over the 28 earmarks worth $1,150,800,000 in FY 2016.

3)  $671,540,000 for 14 earmarks for the Army Corps of Engineers, a 22 percent increase in cost from the $549.6 million in FY 2016. President Trump’s FY 2018 Major Savings and Reforms recommended reducing the Corps of Engineers’ budget by $976 million.

4)  $10,374,000 for the Heritage Partnership Program (HPP), which supports the 49 National Heritage Areas (NHAs) created by Congress.

5) A trolley renovation for $1.04 billion - The Department of Transportation awarded $1.04 billion to expand the city of San Diego's trolley by 10.9 miles, which is about $100 million per mile.

6)  Washington, D.C. has spent more than $200 million for a streetcar along 2.4 miles of the city, which can already be traveled using the bus system.

7)  National Endowment for the Arts (NEA) -  $150,000 for puppet shows and $60,000 to fund a play on zombies in Washington, D.C.!!!

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017/07/24/watchdog-group-finds-nearly-7-billion-dollars-wasteful-government-spending/

https://www.cagw.org/reporting/pig-book

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/04/26/ted_cruz_build_the_wall_and_make_el_chapo_pay_for_it.html

This here.

[RetBobbyMI]

Ok, so cut spending for s**thole places in Kentucky and follow the constitutional requirements of the federal government to provide a common defense.

[driftdiver]

    Our sovereignty is at stake; take one look at what has happened over in Europe, particularly in Germany and tell me that there isn't a lessen to be learned and that we should all be concerned.

@libertybele

And that's why they can't allow it to be built.  It reinforces the very idea we are a sovereign nation.

[libertybele]

@libertybele

And that's why they can't allow it to be built.  It reinforces the very idea we are a sovereign nation.

"I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey it laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies." -William Page

[driftdiver]

"I believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes. I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey it laws; to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies." -William Page

The concept that the people have the power is what makes America great.   Its also a threat to the worlds ruling elite.

[Smokin Joe]

Senator-elect Rand Paul of Kentucky, for example, said recently: “The average federal employee makes $120,000 a year.

https://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/are-federal-workers-overpaid/

President Obama will set a record for the size of the basic federal workforce, leaving office with more than 1.4 million people collecting government salaries in the civilian agencies in 2017, according to the budget he delivered to Congress on Tuesday.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/9/federal-workers-hit-record-number-but-growth-slows/

40,000,000,000/1,400,000=~28000

(28000/120000)*100=23.8%

Well, if they can't find the money elsewhere, a 25% pay cut across the board would do it.

[libertybele]

The concept that the people have the power is what makes America great.   Its also a threat to the worlds ruling elite.

The people having the power is what made America great. Allowing government to NOT defend our sovereignty has been in the foreground for quite awhile; granting blanket amnesty and continuing to allow people to pour into this country along with refugee migrants will destroy our Republic and those that don' t comprehend the potential magnitude of what this country will be like once we are no longer a true Republic is part of the problem as so many see liberalism and socialism as ideal.

[jpsb]

According to FAIR illegals cost the US 100 billion annually.

All this hand wringing over how expensive the wall will be is just so much bullsh*t.

bump!

[Smokin Joe]

The people having the power is what made America great. Allowing government to NOT defend our sovereignty has been in the foreground for quite awhile; granting blanket amnesty and continuing to allow people to pour into this country along with refugee migrants will destroy our Republic and those that don' t comprehend the potential magnitude of what this country will be like once we are no longer a true Republic is part of the problem as so many see liberalism and socialism as ideal.

Originally the people who had power were (to vote) Free, white, 21, male, citizen, and a property owner (real estate).

That's who had the power ca. 1800

Current criteria: 18 years old, and ideally, American Citizen.
 

[Fishrrman]

Smokin' Joe wrote:
"Originally the people who had power were (to vote) Free, white, 21, male, citizen, and a property owner (real estate).
That's who had the power ca. 1800"

Sounds good to me.
Sorry if you don't like that.
Say what you wish, I couldn't care less.

[edpc]

Originally the people who had power were (to vote) Free, white, 21, male, citizen, and a property owner (real estate).

State constitutions of Maryland, New Hampshire, Delaware, and New York allowed free blacks to vote in the late 1700s.

[Smokin Joe]

State constitutions of Maryland, New Hampshire, Delaware, and New York allowed free blacks to vote in the late 1700s.

But that couldn't possibly be. We have been repeatedly assured that Maryland, a Southern State, held blacks in slavery until the 1960s. (/sarcasm).

[Cripplecreek]

State constitutions of Maryland, New Hampshire, Delaware, and New York allowed free blacks to vote in the late 1700s.

There were a whole mishmash of laws regarding who could vote back then.

I've read that PA was literally giving land away for the sole purpose of creating voters. There were also lots of scams to create temporary landowners who were expected to vote certain ways. Voters meant power and the states were doing anything they could for that power.

[truth_seeker]

The cost of the border wall is less than a pittance compared to what it will cost the United States if it's not built...

Another fact needs to be out in the open, too.

If we are not willing to do "interior enforcement," a wall is not much help.

More illegal immigrants are here, from visa overstays. Why do they do it? Because they know we don't do much about it.

Of course full scale "interior enforcement" can be made out as like Nazi officials asking for papers.

And so we march on, to the drumbeat of one-worlders.

[RetBobbyMI]

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States ...

I think this preamble is lost by many, if not most politicians.