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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2018, 06:38:46 pm »
Just as I don't believe in torturing the definitions of words in order to achieve the desired outcome.  That seems to be the nature of law today, and why courts have become glorified Roulette wheels.

I know a fella who went to law school many years ago and passed the bar with ease.  Spent about a year working in that trade and spent the next fifty trying to get the stink off!
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2018, 06:39:12 pm »
Yeah, I need to restore that practice, too.  Do it for our friends   Every time we quote an asshat, God kills a kitten.

A fine PSA it would make, if I might add.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2018, 06:39:32 pm »

That would be disparaging the bag.  Totally unacceptable here in Brieferland.

Does that include paper bags, or just burlap?  We're dealing with a lawyer here, and we don't want to get caught up in his torts.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2018, 06:43:30 pm »
Does that include paper bags, or just burlap?  We're dealing with a lawyer here, and we don't want to get caught up in his torts.

Well I was think Plastic but maybe we do need to define it. Wouldn't want to be sued.  So lets Put a warning Label on it. And besure to add the extra one that The State of California requires. 
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2018, 06:44:00 pm »
A fine PSA it would make, if I might add.

Give me a few minutes, I have something in mind, but the web page is really, really slow loading today.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #105 on: January 11, 2018, 06:53:03 pm »

But the narrow issue here is the rights of the 800,000 who took Obama up on his offer.   The fact they are illegal doesn't mean they deserve to be denied due process.   A government program was proffered to normalize their situations, and they came forward to take advantage of it.   That creates the conditions of detrimental reliance that lie behind the judge's temporary ruling.    Trump can stop the program, but the issue is whether he can pull the rug out from under those who took the very real risk of coming forward in good faith.   

What was the party line vote, for that program? No vote you say? Congress did NOT vote? Obama imposed this "program" administratively?

But Trump cannot reverse it administratively?

It seems to me like our Congress needs to get to work, past, present and future--taking care of these matters so we do not get stuck like this.

Maybe Congress should divide issues like this, into smaller bite size pieces.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2018, 06:56:41 pm »

Part of being a Christian means obeying the law.

Part of being a Christian is demanding others do as well.


Funny, that isn't the argument I heard you making on the gay wedding cake threads.   
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #107 on: January 11, 2018, 06:58:56 pm »
What was the party line vote, for that program? No vote you say? Congress did NOT vote? Obama imposed this "program" administratively?

But Trump cannot reverse it administratively?


Of course he can reverse it administratively.   The judge made clear no new DACA applicants need be accepted.   The issue is what to do with those who've come forward and put their asses on the line in good faith reliance on the program.   
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #108 on: January 11, 2018, 07:02:52 pm »
A fine PSA it would make, if I might add.

Please!

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #109 on: January 11, 2018, 07:05:45 pm »
@Jazzhead
Part of being a Christian means obeying the law.

Part of being a Christian is demanding others do as well.

Part of being a Christian is helping others but that doesn't require you open your home up.

I would think as a lawyer you would have more respect for the law.

Really?  I know some bakers in Oregon, and a passel of their supporters here, who say otherwise. 

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2018, 07:06:21 pm »
Funny, that isn't the argument I heard you making on the gay wedding cake threads.   

Funny thing that, isn’t it?

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2018, 07:08:31 pm »
Really?  I know some bakers in Oregon, and a passel of their supporters here, who say otherwise.

@Oceander
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2018, 07:08:58 pm »
It was bad enough when we had one Perry effing Mason wannabe on here.  Now we have stereo mouth pieces?

What the hell is this world coming too?
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2018, 07:09:48 pm »
Funny, that isn't the argument I heard you making on the gay wedding cake threads.

@Jazzhead
When mans law runs against Gods law then our duty is clear.

Nice try though.

So as a lawyer you only care about laws you agree with?
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #114 on: January 11, 2018, 07:09:48 pm »
@Oceander
When the man made law is contrary to Gods Law then there really isn't an issue.  Most especially when its as clear as your example.


/snicker

In other words, I only have to obey the law when I feel like obeying the law. 

You’re a riot. 

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #115 on: January 11, 2018, 07:11:41 pm »
It was bad enough when we had one Perry effing Mason wannabe on here.  Now we have stereo mouth pieces?

What the hell is this world coming too?

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #116 on: January 11, 2018, 07:15:58 pm »
What we need is more Della Street's

Paul Drake agrees.  Hamilton Berger is on the fence. He's conferring with his assistant D.A.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #117 on: January 11, 2018, 07:16:27 pm »

/snicker

In other words, I only have to obey the law when I feel like obeying the law. 

You’re a riot.

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Its really not that hard.  As a lawyer you should know that some laws are higher then others.   I'm sure theres some legal mumbojumbo term for it that you learned in law school.

but everyone sees what you and @Jazzhead are trying to do.  Divert attention from the issue to something else, because you know you don't have a valid argument on topic.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #118 on: January 11, 2018, 07:25:31 pm »
@Oceander
Its really not that hard.  As a lawyer you should know that some laws are higher then others.   I'm sure theres some legal mumbojumbo term for it that you learned in law school.

but everyone sees what you and @Jazzhead are trying to do.  Divert attention from the issue to something else, because you know you don't have a valid argument on topic.

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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #119 on: January 11, 2018, 07:36:10 pm »
Of course he can reverse it administratively.   The judge made clear no new DACA applicants need be accepted.   The issue is what to do with those who've come forward and put their asses on the line in good faith reliance on the program.
First, I happen to support a narrow version. (end ALL chain migration). We only admit those who will benefit America and citizens, NOT people that will go on public support. We have too many of those already.

But the way things usually go it will be overly broad.

But as to the point that persons are owed anything, in exchange for having "put their asses on the line" leaves me confused. (their parents "put all of their asses on the line" when they snuck in and stayed)

Obama's full intention was to hogtie Congress and future Presidents into a policy he could not get the votes for. IOW he sought to override the will of voters.

Who's interest holds the most importance? Illegal immigrants, or American citizen voters?

On the entire subject of illegal immigration, time after time, the Left try to elevate the standing of illegal immigrants, above American citizen voters.

The only reason the Left opposes the Wall, is to ensure more illegal immigrants can get in. They do NOT oppose it over cost, or because it is ineffective.

Can't we simply be honest? Can't the American citizen voter have top billing, in his own country ? 

I "put my ass on the line" serving in the military. I would think my interests would be greater/higher than any illegal immigrant.

Obama's measure was administrative, temporary. Why should it grant permanent standing? Why wouldn't return travel to the Mexican interior be enough in exchange for them having "put their asses on the line?"

Why do we owe them anything? What have they done beyond existing here, to justify anything whatsoever?

 
 
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #120 on: January 11, 2018, 07:51:21 pm »

Who's interest holds the most importance? Illegal immigrants, or American citizen voters?


Silly you.  Illegals do.  And, when they get to vote, their dog's vote will be cancelling out your vote.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #121 on: January 11, 2018, 08:21:31 pm »
She is a duly appointed sitting federal judge.

Does that make her God?  Or just Jesus?
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #122 on: January 11, 2018, 08:22:39 pm »

Does anyone seriously think he knows what 'humble' means?

Do you want a humble President?  Maybe North Korea would like one, but I wouldn't.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #123 on: January 11, 2018, 08:27:22 pm »
I am of the belief California Judges would be ruling against Trump on a consistent basis even if he had never heard of Twitter.  The tweets are nothing but a pretext, this Judge would have found anther reason to overturn a policy he disagrees with.

So very true.  Tweets are the main weapon of both the libs and the NT'ers. 

Those judges are consistently biased and should be removed if there is a way.

The jury is still out on the efficacy or disaster of the tweets.  I used to wish he wouldn't tweet.

But, it annoys people so much, it kinda makes me happy.
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Re: A Ludicrous Ruling That Trump Can’t End DACA
« Reply #124 on: January 11, 2018, 08:30:02 pm »
That would set a really bad precedent that the democrats would exploit with abandon the next time they control Congress.

True, but I don't think we should base all our actions on what the dems would do if and when they control congress again.
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