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Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« on: January 09, 2018, 05:36:56 pm »
Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
By Jordan Fabian - 01/09/18 12:27 PM EST

President Trump said Tuesday that lawmakers should pass a “bill of love” to resolve the fate of young immigrants who benefit from an Obama-era program he scrapped last year.

“I hope we’re going to come up with an answer for DACA,” Trump said, referring to the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

The president met with lawmakers from both parties at the White House as negotiations over a must-pass spending bill have hit a snag over immigration.

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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2018, 05:59:12 pm »
Love does not mean telling your date to call a cab after she's through washing up.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2018, 06:53:27 pm »
 "Sen. Lindsey Graham(R-S.C.), who supports legislation that would allow unauthorized immigrants to seek citizenship, floated the possibility of a sweeping immigration bill.

“You created an opportunity here, Mr. President, and you need to close the deal,” Graham said.

“If you want to take it that further step, I’ll take the heat,” Trump responded. “You are not that far away from comprehensive immigration reform.”

Such a deal would likely anger Trump’s base, which believes that a pathway to citizenship amounts to unjust “amnesty.” "

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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2018, 07:30:02 pm »
A pathway to citizenship is not "amnesty".   It's just a pathway to citizenship, that must be earned.   
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2018, 07:30:18 pm »

White House clarifies Trump comments on 'clean' DACA bill

by Gabby Morrongiello | Jan 9, 2018, 1:43 PM

The White House clarified on Tuesday said President Trump still opposes legislation that permanently protects Dreamers if it excludes border security measures, after Trump seemed to indicate in a meeting with lawmakers that he might support a bill that doesn't boost border security.

Trump's confusing comments came during a meeting with Republicans and Democrats who have been involved in writing an immigration bill that lets thousands of illegal immigrants stay in the country and work if they were brought to the U.S. illegally as children, and also improves immigration enforcement and security at the southwest border.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., asked Trump at one point how he would feel "about a clean DACA bill now with a commitment that we then go into comprehensive immigration reform?" referring to the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program.

"I have no problem. I would like to do that," Trump responded.

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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2018, 07:47:48 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 09, 2018, 07:30:02 pm
A pathway to citizenship is not "amnesty".  It's just a pathway to citizenship, that must be earned.

That would be true if they were resident aliens here by legal means.  They're not and they're only allowed to stay and earn the privilege with A-M-N-E-S-T-Y.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2018, 07:58:05 pm »
Quote from: edpc on January 09, 2018, 07:47:48 pm
That would be true if they were resident aliens here by legal means.  They're not and they're only allowed to stay and earn the privilege with A-M-N-E-S-T-Y.

They were brought here as children.  They should not be punished for the sins of their parents.  It is appropriate to set up rules by which they can remain here legally and, perhaps in the future if they earn it, become citizens.   
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2018, 08:01:23 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 09, 2018, 07:30:02 pm
A pathway to citizenship is not "amnesty".   It's just a pathway to citizenship, that must be earned.

Amnesty by definition means to forgive a wrong BUT, people in this debate have different meanings for amnesty, some would say it is giving people citizenship or a pathway to citizenship.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2018, 08:03:37 pm »
There are some real immigration hawks on Trump's side, Senator Cotton. Sessions was or is a real immigration hawk as well, though, now AG.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2018, 08:05:02 pm »
Flake, Graham and a few others would be immigration doves in the GOP.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2018, 08:05:40 pm »
Quote from: edpc on January 09, 2018, 07:47:48 pm
That would be true if they were resident aliens here by legal means.  They're not and they're only allowed to stay and earn the privilege with A-M-N-E-S-T-Y.

Kind of like letting a bank robber keep the money they stole as long as they claim it on their taxes.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2018, 08:11:33 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 09, 2018, 07:58:05 pm
They were brought here as children.  They should not be punished for the sins of their parents.

Happens all the time.  If someone’s parent makes their living through criminal activity, the government seizes the income, house, cars, and anything else acquired and considered ill-gotten goods.  The family has to figure out another way to get by and probably won’t enjoy the same standards they once did.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2018, 08:17:35 pm »
Quote from: edpc on January 09, 2018, 08:11:33 pm
Happens all the time.  If someone’s parent makes their living through criminal activity, the government seizes the income, house, cars, and anything else acquired and considered ill-gotten goods.  The family has to figure out another way to get by and probably won’t enjoy the same standards they once did.

That’s more an argument against civil asset forfeiture than it is against dreamers. 
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2018, 08:17:37 pm »
Quote from: Cripplecreek on January 09, 2018, 08:05:40 pm
Kind of like letting a bank robber keep the money they stole as long as they claim it on their taxes.

That is a good analogy.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2018, 08:40:35 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 09, 2018, 08:17:35 pm
That’s more an argument against civil asset forfeiture than it is against dreamers.

Not to me, but I am addressing it as a consequence of a criminal conviction, not some random seizure you hear about.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2018, 08:43:36 pm »
Quote from: Jazzhead on January 09, 2018, 07:58:05 pm
They were brought here as children.  They should not be punished for the sins of their parents.  It is appropriate to set up rules by which they can remain here legally and, perhaps in the future if they earn it, become citizens.

And, they got to grow up here, get a free education and health care.  Now, it's time for them to go home.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2018, 08:46:42 pm »
Love means never having to say your sorry, I'm an Illegal.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2018, 08:53:52 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 09, 2018, 08:43:36 pm
And, they got to grow up here, get a free education and health care.  Now, it's time for them to go home.

They and the millions of other illegals who been here and know something better are in the perfect position to be the future agents of change their native country so desperately needs. If they need help, they can call 202-456-1414.
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2018, 08:55:02 pm »
Quote from: Sanguine on January 09, 2018, 08:43:36 pm
And, they got to grow up here, get a free education and health care.  Now, it's time for them to go home.

They are home.  You want to kick them out of their home.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2018, 08:56:06 pm »
Didn't low energy Jeb say something about an "act of love"?

Just sayin....
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2018, 08:59:14 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 09, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
They are home.  You want to kick them out of their home.

Maybe by your bleeding heart standard. By the law they are common criminals no different than the tax evader and the money launderer.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2018, 09:06:14 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 09, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
They are home.  You want to kick them out of their home.

No they are squatters in My Home, not their home. 
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #22 on: January 09, 2018, 09:10:38 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on January 09, 2018, 08:56:06 pm
Didn't low energy Jeb say something about an "act of love"?

Just sayin....

And Don Henley said something about a "Victim of Love". So what.
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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #23 on: January 09, 2018, 09:12:28 pm »
Quote from: GrouchoTex on January 09, 2018, 08:56:06 pm
Didn't low energy Jeb say something about an "act of love"?

Just sayin....

Yes.  I think Trump was channeling his inner-Jeb.  About the Dreamers' families, Bush said:   "They crossed the border because they had no other means to work to be able to provide for their family.  Yes, they broke the law, but it's not a felony. It's an act of love. It's an act of commitment to your family."

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Re: Trump: DACA solution should be a 'bill of love'
« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2018, 09:12:55 pm »
Quote from: Oceander on January 09, 2018, 08:55:02 pm
They are home.  You want to kick them out of their home.

No, they aren't home. 
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