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McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« on: December 23, 2017, 04:36:39 pm »

McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year

The Kentucky Republican told reporters to expect a shift in the Senate.

By SEUNG MIN KIM

12/22/2017 01:35 PM EST


After a rough-and-tumble year of partisan battles, Mitch McConnell says he’s ready to try something new: bipartisanship.

The Senate majority leader’s two marquee accomplishments in 2017 — a massive tax overhaul and confirmation of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court — were done with little or no Democratic support. His bid to repeal Obamacare collapsed, but that was never meant to pick up Democratic votes anyway.

But now McConnell is adopting a bipartisan tone as Republicans head into a difficult election year in which control of the Capitol is at stake.

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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 04:54:59 pm »
Be wary of turtles with forked tongues...
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 06:46:55 pm »
If he's making that prediction...America is screwed.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 06:54:27 pm »
Meaning give the dems what they want
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 07:11:40 pm »
Meaning give the dems what they want

He's an expert at doing that as he's proven over the last decade or so.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2017, 07:14:37 pm »
Meaning give the dems what they want

Which is what he has consistently done ever since assuming the role of "majority" leader with one very notable exception. Neil Gorsuch.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2017, 07:17:43 pm »
The point may very well be lost on Mr. McConnell, but I would point out that "bipartisanship" means something very different to Democrats than it does to Republicans, a fact quite easy demonstrable by legislative history over the course of, oh I don't know.... forever

When GOP solons speak of "bipartisanship", they mean to signal a willingness to engage in good faith discussion and negotiations with the Loyal Opposition, so that in the end, each side gets something they desire, the sun shines a bit brighter, the birds sing more sweetly and America stands taller. 

When Democrats speak of "bipartisanship" however, they actually mean for Republicans to (once again) surrender their principles in exchange for illusory promises at best, or preferably, for nothing at all.

So once again, the Turtle waxes poetic while Chuck Schumer and his minions are busy sharpening their knives.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2017, 07:19:45 pm »
The point may very well be lost on Mr. McConnell, but I would point out that "bipartisanship" means something very different to Democrats than it does to Republicans, a fact quite easy demonstrable by legislative history over the course of, oh I don't know.... forever

When GOP solons speak of "bipartisanship", they mean to signal a willingness to engage in good faith discussion and negotiations with the Loyal Opposition, so that in the end, each side gets something they desire, the sun shines a bit brighter, the birds sing more sweetly and America stands taller. 

When Democrats speak of "bipartisanship" however, they actually mean for Republicans to (once again) surrender their principles in exchange for illusory promises at best, or preferably, for nothing at all.

So once again, the Turtle waxes poetic while Chuck Schumer and his minions are busy sharpening their knives.

Worth repeating!  So I did!
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2017, 07:22:21 pm »
I forecast that the turtle will be a laughing stock again.

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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2017, 07:26:55 pm »
Just what we need -- more bipartisanship.  Isn't that what Republicans have been doing since at least 2008?  And what has all this kumbaya and making nice done for us average taxpayers and voters? 

Of  course, Mc Connell favors bipartisanship.  He and the rest of the Republican hierarchy are closet liberals and the Democrats are their BFFs.


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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2017, 07:33:05 pm »
The point may very well be lost on Mr. McConnell, but I would point out that "bipartisanship" means something very different to Democrats than it does to Republicans, a fact quite easy demonstrable by legislative history over the course of, oh I don't know.... forever

When GOP solons speak of "bipartisanship", they mean to signal a willingness to engage in good faith discussion and negotiations with the Loyal Opposition, so that in the end, each side gets something they desire, the sun shines a bit brighter, the birds sing more sweetly and America stands taller. 

When Democrats speak of "bipartisanship" however, they actually mean for Republicans to (once again) surrender their principles in exchange for illusory promises at best, or preferably, for nothing at all.

So once again, the Turtle waxes poetic while Chuck Schumer and his minions are busy sharpening their knives.

Think infrastructure. Think union construction jobs. Think olde fashioned Reagan democrats, which may still be potential GOP voters.

My daily fitness walk takes me right by a gas fueled electric generating facility which is being completely updated, and I wave hello to the blue collar guys walking from site to parking lot.

In SoCal it means many of them are minorities. Hard working guys (a few gals) wearing hard hats and safety vests. Peter Kiewit workers, btw.

California will not turn Red but many other locations might swing a few points with happy construction paychecks. 
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2017, 08:04:58 pm »
Just what we need -- more bipartisanship.  Isn't that what Republicans have been doing since at least 2008?  And what has all this kumbaya and making nice done for us average taxpayers and voters? 

Of  course, Mc Connell favors bipartisanship.  He and the rest of the Republican hierarchy are closet liberals and the Democrats are their BFFs.

Every time the GOP tries to "reach across the aisle"...they draw back a bloody stump.

It's like a political version of Charlie Brown thinking this time he's actually gonna kick the football.
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2017, 08:10:33 pm »
Every time the GOP tries to "reach across the aisle"...they draw back a bloody stump.

It's like a political version of Charlie Brown thinking this time he's actually gonna kick the football.

Right on!   :beer:
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2017, 08:14:42 pm »
McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year

The Kentucky Republican told reporters to expect a shift in the Senate.

By SEUNG MIN KIM

12/22/2017 01:35 PM EST


After a rough-and-tumble year of partisan battles, Mitch McConnell says he’s ready to try something new: bipartisanship.

The Senate majority leader’s two marquee accomplishments in 2017 — a massive tax overhaul and confirmation of Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court — were done with little or no Democratic support. His bid to repeal Obamacare collapsed, but that was never meant to pick up Democratic votes anyway.

But now McConnell is adopting a bipartisan tone as Republicans head into a difficult election year in which control of the Capitol is at stake.

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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/22/mitch-mcconnell-bipartisanship-2018-315825?lo=ap_f1

Lol.... Mitch is announcing and paving the way for him to take over for McCain re: that "reach across the aisle to our Democrat friends" (Read:  Capitulation) routine.  He will now school the rest of the GOP on how to properly drop trow, bend over, grab ankles, and get owned by the rats.  Which is something he is already quite adept at.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2017, 08:19:08 pm »
Think infrastructure. Think union construction jobs. Think olde fashioned Reagan democrats, which may still be potential GOP voters.

My daily fitness walk takes me right by a gas fueled electric generating facility which is being completely updated, and I wave hello to the blue collar guys walking from site to parking lot.

In SoCal it means many of them are minorities. Hard working guys (a few gals) wearing hard hats and safety vests. Peter Kiewit workers, btw.

California will not turn Red but many other locations might swing a few points with happy construction paychecks.

I don't disagree that there are still a good number of potential allies that Republicans might enlist from among the ranks of traditional Democrat constituents.

But the answer is to reach out to them, and perhaps more crucially, to alienate them from the Democrat leadership, which is a radical, hereditarily wealthy elite whose interests are increasingly at odds with those they use as electoral fodder.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2017, 08:19:52 pm »
The point may very well be lost on Mr. McConnell, but I would point out that "bipartisanship" means something very different to Democrats than it does to Republicans, a fact quite easy demonstrable by legislative history over the course of, oh I don't know.... forever

When GOP solons speak of "bipartisanship", they mean to signal a willingness to engage in good faith discussion and negotiations with the Loyal Opposition, so that in the end, each side gets something they desire, the sun shines a bit brighter, the birds sing more sweetly and America stands taller. 

When Democrats speak of "bipartisanship" however, they actually mean for Republicans to (once again) surrender their principles in exchange for illusory promises at best, or preferably, for nothing at all.

So once again, the Turtle waxes poetic while Chuck Schumer and his minions are busy sharpening their knives.

Thats a charitable thought, but its time we all acknowledge that the definition of 'bipartisanship' means the same to the leadership of both parties. It doesn't involve us.

Mitch has shown over and over he hasn't a conservative, constitutional, what-ever-you-wanna-call-it bone in his  bureaucratic hack body. And actively dislikes those who do.

I'll wager that with the passage of the tax bill Mitch thinks he's fulfilled his duty to the base and will not be so amenable to our agenda from this point forward.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2017, 08:40:40 pm »
I don't disagree that there are still a good number of potential allies that Republicans might enlist from among the ranks of traditional Democrat constituents.

But the answer is to reach out to them, and perhaps more crucially, to alienate them from the Democrat leadership, which is a radical, hereditarily wealthy elite whose interests are increasingly at odds with those they use as electoral fodder.

1. Big idea: Win them over.
2. Subordinate idea; how?

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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2017, 08:50:42 pm »
Think infrastructure. Think union construction jobs. Think olde fashioned Reagan democrats, which may still be potential GOP voters.


I am and there’s a large Kiewit facility within a mile of me.  Problem is, a $500B to $1T infrastructure plan with money we don’t have just to secure votes doesn’t make any more sense now than it did when Obama used it as a union slush fund for the same purpose.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2017, 08:55:38 pm »
1. Big idea: Win them over.
2. Subordinate idea; how?

People carrying coolers with their lunch and drinks for the work day, spend little time on "political philosophy."

Many listen to Brooks and Dunn, and Los Lonely Boys.

Republicans need to learn how to speak their language. But first: they need to learn how to listen. You can't sell people even on demonstrably superior ideas if you can't explain them in language that your audience actually uses and in terms that they actually understand.

Instead of dwelling in the theoretical and the academic, GOP hopefuls would do well to listen to the real world concerns of blue collar people, especially Hispanic and blacks. Learn what worries them and what motivates them. Go to their events and to their homes. Stop talking around them and over them, and learn how to communicate with them.

This does not imply simple condescension or the gratuitous use of street lingo (à la Hillary, whose otherworldly phoniness helped sink her equally huge ambition). Hear them, acknowledge the validity of their concerns, and then explain the practical benefits of free markets, personal responsibility and limited government using examples from their own lives and experience - in their jobs, their small businesses, and for the benefit of their families.

And then, remind them of all the empty promises Democrats have made them over the years, and what they have actually delivered.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2017, 08:59:08 pm »

I am and there’s a large Kiewit facility within a mile of me.  Problem is, a $500B to $1T infrastructure plan with money we don’t have just to secure votes doesn’t make any more sense now than it did when Obama used it as a union slush fund for the same purpose.
Sure it makes sense, because that is the way the world, US is whether you like it or not.

The greater good is winning. That puts you in position to only spend 1 unit this way, versus spending 2 units if the other side wins.

Plus we need the votes, and we need the infrastructure, plus winning means you run things, and can consider alternative means of financing like privatization.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2017, 09:13:57 pm »
Republicans need to learn how to speak their language. But first: they need to learn how to listen. You can't sell people even on demonstrably superior ideas if you can't explain them in language that your audience actually uses and in terms that they actually understand.

Instead of dwelling in the theoretical and the academic, GOP hopefuls would do well to listen to the real world concerns of blue collar people, especially Hispanic and blacks. Learn what worries them and what motivates them. Go to their events and to their homes. Stop talking around them and over them, and learn how to communicate with them.

This does not imply simple condescension or the gratuitous use of street lingo (à la Hillary, whose otherworldly phoniness helped sink her equally huge ambition). Hear them, acknowledge the validity of their concerns, and then explain the practical benefits of free markets, personal responsibility and limited government using examples from their own lives and experience - in their jobs, their small businesses, and for the benefit of their families.

And then, remind them of all the empty promises Democrats have made them over the years, and what they have actually delivered.

I fully agree. I come from a family involved with construction. The idea of a carpenter being only worthy of looking down upon, is ridiculous. The idea of the truck driver or backhoe operator being only worthy of looking down upon, is ridiculous.

First comes the respect, then later the deeper discussion. I believe Donald Trump got this from day one.

Little story: Before and after military service, during college, I worked in the oil business. My job duties involved time in both the field and the office. We got dirty.

Typically the field guys joke about the preppy new engineers. But a new engineer that gets dirty too, wins friends.

One particularly good engineer, invented and made a couple of new tools adapted for certain local applications. The field guys saw this, and he became sort of a hero.

"That guy is how all engineers ought to be--a bit dirty from doing actual work in the field."

Those demarcation lines are there. College grads versus non-college grads. Officers versus enlisted. Field sites versus office workers. Upper management versus lower ranking workers.

The GOP has a big opportunity to make the democrats rue the day Obama first said "cling to guns and Bibles," and Hillary said "deplorables."

Republicans SHOULD BE all in for all of the hard jobs in our society, and all in for the dignity of a job versus the indignity of living off the hard work of others.

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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2017, 09:19:31 pm »
The greater good is winning. That puts you in position to only spend 1 unit this way, versus spending 2 units if the other side wins.


There's no greater good if going at half speed gets you to the same bad destination.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2017, 02:31:11 am »

There's no greater good if going at half speed gets you to the same bad destination.

You sound like the "half-empty" type.

The best President of modern times, Reagan said he would settle for less than everything, and go back for the rest later. Reagan was demonstrating "half-full" reasoning.

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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2017, 02:38:02 am »
You sound like the "half-empty" type.

The best President of modern times, Reagan said he would settle for less than everything, and go back for the rest later. Reagan was demonstrating "half-full" reasoning.


Except we were discussing deficit spending.  At least I was.  Spending $1 as opposed to the Democrat $2 gets you over the cliff later, but to the cliff all the same.
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Re: McConnell forecasts bipartisanship in new year
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2017, 03:24:47 am »
democrat-communist bipartisanship:
"We smile, and take 100%"

Republican bipartisanship:
"We smile, and give you 100%"