Leftover Discussion Thread: AL Special Election

[Silver Pines]

@CatherineofAragon

Hey, it all spends the same when it's time to pay the mortgage.  Don't let him start paying you in bitcoin, that chit's gonna crash...

@Cyber Liberty

I'm not going for bitcoin.  I need my hair products and that stuff is too unstable.

[DiogenesLamp]

LOL. You are spinning like a top to try to make you poor decision to back Moore full tilt the way you did something good.

Yes,  you can tell i'm "spinning like a top" through my usage of "gotcha"  words like "Kiddie raper"  and "child molester."   


You're too smart for me to fool you! 

[Silver Pines]

Disclaimer:  I really hate it when there's no "None of the above" option....

@XenaLee

That's the wishy-washy option; I'm not having it, lol.

[Frank Cannon]

@Cyber Liberty

I will.  I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.

Polls are easy. I don't think you can put them in the middle of threads though. I could be wrong.

[corbe]

If I’m trying to create a poll in the poll section, do I just type the options and hit post?  Does a mod add the bullets or is there a step I need to do?

   @CatherineofAragon   NO MOD input is required, if that were the case I'd never get polls published.   The KEY is to click on 'NEW POLL' at the top instead of 'NEW TOPIC'.  Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Elections are never binary.

So who were we going to get except for Moore or Jones?   

[XenaLee]

@XenaLee

That's the wishy-washy option; I'm not having it, lol.

Ok....but....

just know...

that if I can't respond with "an answer" that fits my special and oh-so-unique outlook  ...

I shall not participate.

[Frank Cannon]

So who were we going to get except for Moore or Jones?   

You are aware that almost 2% of the vote didn't go for the 2 main candidates, right?

[DiogenesLamp]

Good grief, you people sound like a bunch of Hillary apologists.  Hillary and Moore lost for the exact same reason.  They were pathetic lazy candidates who thought the seat would be handed to them.

I'm thinking it is pathetically lazy to offer this cliche as a serious claim.   


Moore lost because two people were urged to gin up accusations against him.   

Those accusations caused much of his support to evaporate.

No other reason is even credible. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Sure they did.  I neglected to include bigoted, jingoistic, racist in the accusations, as well.

"Bigoted"  and "Racist"  are effectively the same thing,  and they did accuse Moore of that.   "Jingoistic"  wouldn't much figure into a state election,   but if it did,  it would probably win support in Alabama. 


More could have survived all the rest of that,   but he could not survive his own party making it appear as if the accusations were true. 

[DiogenesLamp]

Cruz is between a rock & a hard place though.  What else can he do?  He has already seen what bucking the system and the establishment gets you.  All he can do is stick it out and try to make small steps in the right direction.  Right?

He could have done as Trump did and either refused to speak on the subject,   or opine that it is up to the people of Alabama.   


As it is,  he picked himself a seat at the rogue's table. 

[Frank Cannon]

Moore lost because two people were urged to gin up accusations against him.   

To which he had no plausible denial.

Where are the lawsuits Roy threatened against these accusers? Been plenty of time to file them since the accusers went public. Oh. Wait. His Jewish Lawyer is celebrating Hanukkah right now and is unavailable to file.

[XenaLee]

He could have done as Trump did and either refused to speak on the subject,   or opine that it is up to the people of Alabama.   


As it is,  he picked himself a seat at the rogue's table.

Don't look now....

but the rogue's table is the only table there is.

[edpc]

"Bigoted"  and "Racist"  are effectively the same thing,  and they did accuse Moore of that.   "Jingoistic"  wouldn't much figure into a state election,   but if it did,  it would probably win support in Alabama. 


More could have survived all the rest of that,   but he could not survive his own party making it appear as if the accusations were true.

To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

[DiogenesLamp]

Even if it is the accused himself refuting the claim!  I happen to have some personal experience with that!

I have personal experience with the media deliberately lying and manipulating events to create an incorrect impression among their readers.   


There really needs to be an "equal time"  provision for people on the receiving end of the media weapon.   


Can you imagine what Moore could have done with all that network air time used against him?   

[DiogenesLamp]

You are aware that almost 2% of the vote didn't go for the 2 main candidates, right?

And that 2% was going to elect what other person?   


That 2% did in fact elect Jones.   Democrats didn't do any "write in" votes. 

[Frank Cannon]

To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

You know we just found out that was a manufactured story......from Fusion GPS, right?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-12/fusion-gps-tried-and-failed-link-trump-jeffrey-epstein

[DiogenesLamp]

To which he had no plausible denial.

And what would have been a plausible denial beyond "I didn't molest that girl,   and I didn't attempt to rape the other one"?   

Three different people who were employees or regulars at the Hickory House in 1977 say they never saw Roy Moore in the place.    That puts a big f***ing hole in the story of one of the woman's claims. The other should not have been taken seriously anyways because apart from the drug use, the promiscuity and the suicide attempt at 16,    It is completely unreasonable to believe that an assistant district attorney who was responsible for prosecutions, would put himself in any such situation with a 14 year old girl. 

Where are the lawsuits Roy threatened against these accusers?

I thought I saw a report Monday that he had actually filed them.  I guess we shall see if this report I saw was true.

 Been plenty of time to file them since the accusers went public. Oh. Wait. His Jewish Lawyer is celebrating Hanukkah right now and is unavailable to file.

Looks like you caught me spinning again.   I apparently can't help myself. 


I guess that stupid "Our lawyer is a "Jew" " remark really got to you for some reason.   It seems to be the straw that has bent you out of shape more than any thing else i've seen from you lately.   


Get a grip dude. 

[Jazzhead]

I believe there may very well be examples of fraud throughout the ballots.   I believe there were probably thousands of ineligible voters who voted in these elections,   and I see no harm in pursuing it.   


There is no further risk to going forward with it,   and the potential win makes it worth attempting.   


Nothing to lose.

The only reason to demand a recount, IMO, is to delay when Jones is seated in place of Strange,  to give the GOP the best shot it can at passing the tax bill.   

[TomSea]

And that 2% was going to elect what other person?   


That 2% did in fact elect Jones.   Democrats didn't do any "write in" votes.

Only 40% total turnout in the election, that means 60% didn't even show up to vote.

[DiogenesLamp]

To top it off, Trump had his own charge of child rape...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/12/donald-trump-jeffrey-epstein-alleged-rape-lawsuit

Which also implicates Democrats,  and is therefore a Mexican standoff beyond which the media will not pursue. 

[dfwgator]

The only reason to demand a recount, IMO, is to delay when Jones is seated in place of Strange,  to give the GOP the best shot it can at passing the tax bill.   

Exactly!

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty

I will.  I see @Freya made one too, but I don't think she's on right now.

I sent you a PM....

[DiogenesLamp]

Only 40% total turnout in the election, that means 60% didn't even show up to vote.

Almost all the "No-Shows"  were default support for Jones.    It was the ones who showed up and voted third party that were effectively active Jones supporters.   


You only get one of two choices.   You don't get any other choice.   If you don't vote Moore,   you get Jones.   

[dfwgator]

Almost all the "No-Shows"  were default support for Jones.    It was the ones who showed up and voted third party that were effectively active Jones supporters.   


You only get one of two choices.   You don't get any other choice.   If you don't vote Moore,   you get Jones.

Like Bobby sang, "You Gotta Serve Somebody."