New Study Shows Gay Men Have Variation Of DNA Over Straight men

[truth_seeker]

My SIL recently had major surgery, for cancer. Then follow up treatment using chemotherapy.

They ALSO did DNA testing, since actual medical science is using genetics for understanding and for potential treatments.

In fact medical science is probably the single biggest future application of DNA/genetic science.

I suppose some here would claim DNA/genetics is hogwash.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@Suppressed @To-Whose-Benefit? @musiclady
Kinda interesting that you picked the theory of gravity.   I'm not expert but then again is anyone?   Can anyone explain gravity? Why it works, how it works, where it works?   Nearly everything we know is due to observation.  Newton tried but it wasn't until Einstein that we had a real theory.  The theory of relativity, or spacetime, is proposed as what causes gravity.

Here on earth if I drop a rock it falls to the ground.   Nearly everywhere else in the universe it would stay exactly where I released it.   At least if our observations are correct.   But then our observations are based on assumptions and the observation of light particles that are billions of years old in some cases.  Observations and a lot of fancy math that could be tossed on its ear with the next observation.

Yup, the essential difference being that the math in it is harder to fudge.

If a contrary Theory is advanced and the person behind it Lies in their equations, or glosses over other extent equations/ignores them, it's pretty easy for people who Do understand the math to catch that lie and call them on it.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

My SIL recently had major surgery, for cancer. Then follow up treatment using chemotherapy.

They ALSO did DNA testing, since actual medical science is using genetics for understanding and for potential treatments.

In fact medical science is probably the single biggest future application of DNA/genetic science.

I suppose some here would claim DNA/genetics is hogwash.

Don't go conclusion jumping.

Real Medical science does have a place for DNA/Genetics in it.

Sickle Cell Anemia?

Behaviorism is not Medical. It is Political.

[driftdiver]

Yup, the essential difference being that the math in it is harder to fudge.

If a contrary Theory is advanced and the person behind it Lies in their equations, or glosses over other extent equations/ignores them, it's pretty easy for people who Do understand the math to catch that lie and call them on it.

@To-Whose-Benefit?
One article I read said Einstein didn't have the math to understand it properly.   Thats my excuse for not even trying to understand the math involved.  I mean if its over his head then what hope do we mere mortals have.  :)

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@To-Whose-Benefit?
One article I read said Einstein didn't have the math to understand it properly.   Thats my excuse for not even trying to understand the math involved.  I mean if its over his head then what hope do we mere mortals have.  :)

In This We Are Agreed! :)

[Suppressed]

There is nothing political about gravity.  Therein lies the difference.

Where are you seeing politics in Valla and Ceci (2011)?  What's your criticism of the study?  (This is the study @To-Whose-Benefit? mocked for using the word "theory".)

[truth_seeker]

Don't go conclusion jumping.

Real Medical science does have a place for DNA/Genetics in it.

Sickle Cell Anemia?

Behaviorism is not Medical. It is Political.

Okay, then what is your OPINION regarding the field of Epigenetics?

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Where are you seeing politics in Valla and Ceci (2011)?  What's your criticism of the study?  (This is the study @To-Whose-Benefit? mocked for using the word "theory".)

Clue this.

https://inequality.cornell.edu/research/grant-opportunities-in-the-social-sciences/

[Sanguine]

Excuse me @Sanguine, but I don't remember using the term 'settled science'.

As for Global Warming Alarmists, and my 'buying that twaddle' Where in the hell did That one come from?

Look, you don't have to believe anything you don't want to believe.  You asked for information, I gave it to you and you dismissed it. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Okay, then what is your OPINION regarding the field of Epigenetics?

Depends on whether you're talking medicine or politics.

Behaviors are the province of Legislatures, not Doctors.

Behaviors are either prohibited by law or they are not.

[Sanguine]

Don't go conclusion jumping.

Real Medical science does have a place for DNA/Genetics in it.

Sickle Cell Anemia?

Behaviorism is not Medical. It is Political.

Exactly!  Men and women ARE the same. Our behaviors are just environmentally determined.  DNA has nothing to do with it.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Look, you don't have to believe anything you don't want to believe.  You asked for information, I gave it to you and you dismissed it.

Belief is the province of Religion, not Medicine.

Look at where this thread went off the cliff as soon it devolved into posters arguing their Beliefs and Opinions.

It took 2 Moderators to jump in and defacto promise to lock it down if everyone didn't knock off the Religious Flame War.

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Exactly!  Men and women ARE the same. Our behaviors are just environmentally determined.  DNA has nothing to do with it.

Thank You! A thousand times over. Thank You!

[truth_seeker]

Depends on whether you're talking medicine or politics.

Behaviors are the province of Legislatures, not Doctors.

Behaviors are either prohibited by law or they are not.

Nuns once slapped left handers on their hands, to make them write right-handed.

Yet their "handedness" is in their genetics. Or is that a behavior?

You have brushed by epigenetics, without demonstrating that you understand it, BTW.

Everybody that seriously studies genetics and DNA, remarks at how young, early we are in the science of it. (How little we know, versus how much remains to be learned)

You claim a remarkable competency, for a subject which most admit to knowing just a little about.

You strike me as somebody that would have scoffed at the Wright Brothers.

"Man will never fly" since it is a behavior, and we already know all there needs to be learned about those things.

[Sanguine]

Belief is the province of Religion, not Medicine.

Look at where this thread went off the cliff as soon it devolved into posters arguing their Beliefs and Opinions.

It took 2 Moderators to jump in and defacto promise to lock it down if everyone didn't knock off the Religious Flame War.

Ah, but, I didn't introduce any religious beliefs; I merely presented you with facts.  Facts that you reject.  With an almost religious fervor.

[driftdiver]

Exactly!  Men and women ARE the same. Our behaviors are just environmentally determined.  DNA has nothing to do with it.

@Sanguine
Say what?

huh

bullpucky

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

@Sanguine
Say what?

huh

bullpucky

Open that door and you empower Doctors to act as Judge and Jury on a whole host of Behaviors.

Then when you drag in the Psych crowd you add Executioner to the list.

http://psychroachesadverseevent.blogspot.com/

https://ssristories.org/

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Judge, Jury, and Executioner

http://www.ect.org/resources/machines.html

[driftdiver]

Open that door and you empower Doctors to act as Judge and Jury on a whole host of Behaviors.

Then when you drag in the Psych crowd you add Executioner to the list.

http://psychroachesadverseevent.blogspot.com/

https://ssristories.org/

Doctors already are.   

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine
Say what?

huh

bullpucky

Of course it's bullpucky.  Men and women are different and it's in their genes. 

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

Nuns once slapped left handers on their hands, to make them write right-handed.

Yet their "handedness" is in their genetics. Or is that a behavior?

You have brushed by epigenetics, without demonstrating that you understand it, BTW.

Everybody that seriously studies genetics and DNA, remarks at how young, early we are in the science of it. (How little we know, versus how much remains to be learned)

You claim a remarkable competency, for a subject which most admit to knowing just a little about.

You strike me as somebody that would have scoffed at the Wright Brothers.

"Man will never fly" since it is a behavior, and we already know all there needs to be learned about those things.

Show me 1 single Behavior that Behavioral geneticists have ever 'cured'. Just 1.

[mirraflake]

You strike me as somebody that would have scoffed at the Wright Brothers.

"Man will never fly" since it is a behavior, and we already know all there needs to be learned about those things.

Same ones who claim people will never love past 120 years because the Bible says so. Well I believe there are documentated cases right now of 115 or 116 year olds.

When the time comes when we can splice out gene defects/disease or the aging gene  and people live to 125-130 on  a regular basis their retort will be God Willed It

@truth_seeker

[To-Whose-Benefit?]

And this 'Science' is not in its infancy.

In ancient Sparta infants who were born less than perfect were hurled to their death from cliff tops.

[mirraflake]

Show me 1 single Behavior that Behavioral geneticists have ever 'cured'. Just 1.

This stuff is brand new in the history of man. Give it another 15-20 years. We still don't have the common cold cured.
@To-Whose-Benefit?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No - transgender is a whole different thing, and a clear form of mental illness.

Well, I saw a mentally ill person acting like a woman on a woman's basketball team.