@roamer_1
Nope, not the same. I explained why.
Part of the problem is that you see them as identical because, based on your experience with one woman, all women are, to quote TOS, lying bitches when they say they’ve been abused. But it’s simply not true.
@CatherineofAragon Based on my experience of ONE woman, you say? I but related ONE STORY as an example toward my position. I could go on. And on sommore. Not just in salacious cases of a sexual nature - The very same applies between men having a bone to pick. It is the standard in all things.
And the reason it is that way, in places where folks still rule themselves, beyond the reach of the supposed law and order y'all know, is because that standard prevents false accusations, in large part. How then do you prevent or discover a false accuser within this absurdity you recommend? By how you feeeel? Or is the woman just to be believed whole cloth?
It’s easy, extremely easy, to say yeah, you have to have a record of bruises and the woman has to fight back. Do you realize that sometimes a female is too scared to do it? Or is being threatened? You can’t hold a 14 year old responsible for not fighting back and leaving marks.
I am not 'holding her responsible' for not leaving marks. I am saying there is nothing actionable WITHOUT EVIDENCE. Like I said, I believed Broderick, but I wasn't moved by her story. Likewise in this. Whether the stories are believable or not is incidental to the point. The worst injustice is false accusation, because in the aggregate, justice flees. Any accusation can be leveled on a whim, and in that environment justice is meted by an emoting mob - Be careful what you wish for, because the next time, it could be you.
It doesn’t always happen like that. From the start, I’ve said that I take this kind of thing case by case. I don’t start out with assumptions as to innocence or guilt. Yesterday I read about another accuser who just came out. She gave her account, then finished with the claim that Moore asked how old she was, and when she said she was past her teens, he looked very disappointed. That raised a red flag with me. It seemed too neat, too designed to wrap up a point.
Innocence or guilt has nothing to do with it - ALL THAT MATTERS IS THE VERACITY OF THE EVIDENCE.
The thing is, I think you guys, in reacting to those times when men have been falsely accused, tend to go on defense every time.
No, the standard remains the same every time. You want me to tear a man down with no proof at all - none whatsoever.
I might if the guy was a boor and a lout - Like Trump, as an instance - He has no character, and he has already demonstrated himself to be a liar. so I have absolutely no need at all to rise to his defense, nor believe a damn thing he says. When this shit is turned on him, you won't find me rising - I will do nothing. There is nothing to defend. He will have to defend himself.
Now, that is quite another thing in a man of honor, one who conducts himself well. That's why I will rise to defend Cruz, and why I will rise to defend Moore.
Your accusation that I am "
reacting to those times when men have been falsely accused, tend to go on defense every time" is as false as it can be. I don't give a shit about anything but honor. And where it is, I'll fight like hell, whether a man or a woman. Where it ain't, they're on their own.
In this case, there ain't enough evidence to amount to a row of pins, and certainly not enough to tear down a lifetime of integrity. I may be wrong about Roy Moore, but these accusations aren't anywhere near proof enough to change my mind.
It ain't whether or not, it's holding against gossip, rumor, and innuendo as sufficient proofs, to protect those falsely accused. That is the point, and I will not be moved from it..
Regarding the media, yeah, I know how they are, but if we’re to the point that we refuse to listen or see anything at all because of them, then we’ve gone round the bend. Not everything is a media attack. Sometimes people just suck.
I have never believed the media. Again, I believe evidence. That's all I'll believe.