Alabama Secretary of State: If State GOP Pulls Support for Moore and He Gets the Most Votes, Election Would Be ‘Null and Void’

[edpc]

It was passed to cut one party (the states) completely out of the process in the fedgov and we have seen the result MANY times since!

We may differ on the reason it exists and perhaps even agree it should not in the first place.  Nevertheless, it’s been ratified by the required amount of states, including Alabama in 2002.  They don’t get to defy the will of the people and Constitution when it’s politically convenient.

[aligncare]

Alcee Hastings was actually impeached as a judge and serves in the House.  Go figure.

Given that fact, what’s more important, personal character or defeating the left?

Dennis Prager explored this theme brilliantly on his show. For instance, the United States allied itself with the morally compromised Stalin in order to defeat a greater threat, the Nazis. Other examples can be found in one’s personal life, politics in the US and in the macro world, as the left remains focused on tearing down Western civilization globally.

At this point Roy Moore may or may not be morally compromised, but I trust that he understands the threat the left poses to our way of life and will vote appropriately in the senate.

[edpc]

I think you may be misunderstanding my point.  I was trying to demonstrate the difference between someone convicted vs unproven allegations being disqualifiers.

[aligncare]

I think you may be misunderstanding my point.  I was trying to demonstrate the difference between someone convicted vs unproven allegations being disqualifiers.

I should not have quoted you, as I was introducing a separate point. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[INVAR]

This is the choice the Alabama GOP (and indeed, Alabama Christians) must make -  to make a stand to be better and less cynical than the Democrats on the issue of CHARACTER MATTERS.   

You have zero authority, credibility or standing to make any judgements regarding character or behavior given your repeated insistences that homosexual behavior is moral and righteous even moreso than biblical Christians you have deemed bigots for their refusal to cater to serving said lifestyle in addition to your repeated defenses of abortion and other heinous evils you advocate and desire the government to be empowered to do.

[edpc]

You have zero authority, credibility or standing to make any judgements regarding character or behavior given your repeated insistences that homosexual behavior is moral and righteous even moreso than biblical Christians you have deemed bigots for their refusal to cater to serving said lifestyle in addition to your repeated defenses of abortion and other heinous evils you advocate and desire the government to be empowered to do.

I attempted to recite that in one breath.  I was seeing spots at 'bigots' and hit the floor at 'cater.'

[Jazzhead]

You have zero authority, credibility or standing to make any judgements regarding character or behavior given your repeated insistences that homosexual behavior is moral and righteous even moreso than biblical Christians you have deemed bigots for their refusal to cater to serving said lifestyle in addition to your repeated defenses of abortion and other heinous evils you advocate and desire the government to be empowered to do.

Everyone has on this board has the freedom and intelligence to draw their own conclusions regarding what I post, or to ignore what I post entirely.  Your gratuitous bullying reflects your lack of character, not mine. 

[Cyber Liberty]

You have zero authority, credibility or standing to make any judgements regarding character or behavior given your repeated insistences that homosexual behavior is moral and righteous even moreso than biblical Christians you have deemed bigots for their refusal to cater to serving said lifestyle in addition to your repeated defenses of abortion and other heinous evils you advocate and desire the government to be empowered to do.

I see he's still bangin' that Alinsky drum today...hold his opponents to an impossible standard so they'll destroy themselves. 

[Free Vulcan]

Everyone has on this board has the freedom and intelligence to draw their own conclusions regarding what I post, or to ignore what I post entirely.  Your gratuitous bullying reflects your lack of character, not mine.

Here's mine:

If you disagree with what I believe is ok - you're a bigot.

If I disagree with what you don't believe is a problem - you're a perv.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

[INVAR]

Everyone has on this board has the freedom and intelligence to draw their own conclusions regarding what I post, or to ignore what I post entirely.  Your gratuitous bullying reflects your lack of character, not mine.

I'm simply calling you what you are, and calling you out on the bullshit you post via the lame attempts to disguise what you post as being Conservative, when you have disqualified yourself as anything but a raving liberal hedonist Leftie.  Your own positions have consistently put you on the opposite end and side of nearly every single issue Conservatives are concerned about.

And everyone on this board recognizes you for what you are.  You are fooling no one.

But we love you for offering yourself to be our daily target practice against the machinations and stupid logic flung by Leftists.  In this, you provide a most wonderful service to the board.

[TomSea]

Conservatives and Christians tend to shy away from profanity and some come off abrasive. As they say, look in the mirror but we are not here to critique each other. Just even doing so, smacks of personal attack.  Has continually criticized those who voted for what has become a very pro-life presidency, while attacking that same man, yet, some Judge who probably has some negative evidence, is supported in the Republican party they often denigrate.

[Jazzhead]

I'm simply calling you what you are, and calling you out on the bullshit you post via the lame attempts to disguise what you post as being Conservative, when you have disqualified yourself as anything but a raving liberal hedonist Leftie.  Your own positions have consistently put you on the opposite end and side of nearly every single issue Conservatives are concerned about.

And everyone on this board recognizes you for what you are.  You are fooling no one.

But we love you for offering yourself to be our daily target practice against the machinations and stupid logic flung by Leftists.  In this, you provide a most wonderful service to the board.

You do realize, of course, that what you're really doing is exposing the ugliness of the "Bible believing Christian"?   Now the many Christians I know are loving and generous and empathic towards their neighbors,  and would reject utterly your hateful campaign against "perverts" who live their lives as monogamously and as close to God as I presume you seek to do.   But you do claim the Bible as the fig-leaf for your bigotry,  and that reflects poorly on the faith you claim to speak for.       

[INVAR]

You do realize, of course, that what you're really doing is exposing the ugliness of the "Bible believing Christian"?   Now the many Christians I know are loving and generous and empathic towards their neighbors,  and would reject utterly your hateful campaign against "perverts" who live their lives as monogamously and as close to God as I presume you seek to do.   But you do claim the Bible as the fig-leaf for your bigotry,  and that reflects poorly on the faith you claim to speak for.     

Being preached to by you about how you think I appear to men, is like having Satan himself tell me that I shall surely not die, but will become as God, knowing good and evil if only I listen to your admonition about how my faith is perceived by the likes of you.

In matters pertaining to God, you preach a doctrine of death which is not surprising coming from an open advocate of government tyranny.  Both mindsets come from the prince and power of the air of whom you are a willing pawn.

[Jazzhead]

Being preached to by you about how you think I appear to men, is like having Satan himself tell me that I shall surely not die, but will become as God, knowing good and evil if only I listen to your admonition about how my faith is perceived by the likes of you.

In matters pertaining to God, you preach a doctrine of death which is not surprising coming from an open advocate of government tyranny.  Both mindsets come from the prince and power of the air of whom you are a willing pawn.

And in matters pertaining to God, you preach a doctrine of intolerance and bigotry.   Keep it up - if you seek to alienate good people from finding out the good news.   

[INVAR]

And in matters pertaining to God, you preach a doctrine of intolerance and bigotry.   Keep it up - if you seek to alienate good people from finding out the good news.   

Intolerance and bigotry towards sin that leads to eternal death?  YOU BETCHA!  If that "alienates" people from wanting to follow God - and hating those who preach against sin, Jesus said exactly what His Word would cause:

“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household." - Matthew 10:34-35

You on the other hand are busy preaching the doctrines of Satan calling good evil, and evil, good.  Jesus Himself spoke of those doing what you do:

"So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19

The words are His Whom you pay lip service to being a follower of, while teaching men to not only break the Commandments, but to call His Word a lie and His Commandments unjust.

Just how many have you been an instrument towards bringing to repentance and baptized?  I'll put what God has used me to perform in service against what you advocate any day of the week.

[jmyrlefuller]

Just how many have you been an instrument towards bringing to repentance and baptized?  I'll put what God has used me to perform in service against what you advocate any day of the week.

All right—stop it right there.

Whatever stance you take on this, do not start lecturing people with the "I've baptized more people than you" card. This is not a contest, and God does not keep score. It is by grace, and grace alone, that you are saved.

[INVAR]

All right—stop it right there.

Whatever stance you take on this, do not start lecturing people with the "I've baptized more people than you" card. This is not a contest, and God does not keep score. It is by grace, and grace alone, that you are saved.

Excuse you, but I was charged with "alienating good people from finding out the good news".

I want to know how many he has led to repentance and baptism verses how many he asserts I have "alienated" from finding out the good news.

[edpc]

“So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." - Matthew 5:19

Well, that’s great.  The snobby people in my HOA are bad enough.  Now, I’ll have to listen while Peter brags thrice before the cock crows how he saw the potential early and bought the biggest corner lot.

[roamer_1]

God does not keep score.

Oh, but he does.

[XenaLee]

I see he's still bangin' that Alinsky drum today...hold his opponents to an impossible standard so they'll destroy themselves.

And.... it's working (apparently).  Anyone who cannot clearly see the ulterior motivation behind this "get Moore out" campaign is too stupid to be alive.

[Jazzhead]

And.... it's working (apparently).  Anyone who cannot clearly see the ulterior motivation behind this "get Moore out" campaign is too stupid to be alive.

I've never hidden my disregard for Roy Moore.  I've never asked anyone to share my disregard, only to recognize that character does, indeed, matter and that the inevitable result, if Moore doesn't step down or the local party fails to rescind his nomination,  will be one more Democrat in the Senate.   The latest poll (see thread elsewhere) shows Moore down 12 points - proof of what I'm saying (and proof as well that Alabama Republicans are as repulsed by this creep as so many other good and decent conservatives are).   

[Hoodat]

Alabama's AG clearly has no knowledge of the 17th Amendment.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@mystery-ak

Whatever the Alabama Secretary of State says, is the way it is in that state.

Moore made a speech tonight at a God Save the County church revival. He started off with quotes from the Bible, talked about that scripture, then spoke briefly about the false attacks on him, then said he didn't want to talk about that but wanted to talk about the country and God (it was something like that), then CNN cut away from it.  He is not going to quit.

Did he point out which Commandment proscribes fondling a 14 year old...in Jesus' name?
Moore's Jimmy Swaggart moment is coming.

[INVAR]

And.... it's working (apparently).  Anyone who cannot clearly see the ulterior motivation behind this "get Moore out" campaign is too stupid to be alive.

When they succeed with this, the Oligarchy will be self-aware of the fact it can choose our rulers for us with impunity.

Idiots and imbeciles will applaud this as a great and good thing.

[Jazzhead]

Alabama's AG clearly has no knowledge of the 17th Amendment.

Moore is not running on his own account for Senate.  He is running as the nominee of the Republican Party.  If the Alabama GOP rescinds its nomination, which it has the right to do,  then the AG is correct that a Moore victory would be null and void.