John McCain Confirms: Tax Reform Is "DOA In The Senate"

[DiogenesLamp]

I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill.  This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.

This may be true,  but he isn't doing it for us,  he's doing it for his own petty arrogance.   

[Bigun]

That tax bill is what happens when leadership is as weak as this congress's is.

That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!

[Sanguine]

This may be true,  but he isn't doing it for us,  he's doing it for his own petty arrogance.   

...and, that's why I'm not defending him...

[RoosGirl]

Absolutely!   

(Well, I can be wrong, but I'm not sure about you.  You are very thoughtful.)

You know it.  I'm as deep as a puddle on the drive-way in the south Florida summer sun.

[DiogenesLamp]

Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.

She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.

These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.

Money doesn't matter to them.   The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them. 


Term limits is the solution.   Keep rotating them out,  and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied. 

[andy58-in-nh]

Money doesn't matter to them.   The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them. 

Term limits is the solution.   Keep rotating them out,  and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied.

The deterioration of the US Senate can be traced directly to the 17th Amendment, which allowed for popular, direct election of U.S. Senators, who had previously been appointed by the legislatures of each state. Now, instead of representing the broader interests of the state from which they come, Senators are glorified and exalted versions of House Representatives, with more power but less responsibility.

[truth_seeker]

And quite frankly, they are all liars.  They never had any intention of keeping their word. 

Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.

[Applewood]

Money doesn't matter to them.   The Social status they have from wielding power is what matters to them. 


Term limits is the solution.   Keep rotating them out,  and much that is wrong with Washington DC will be remedied.

It's the power, not the social status.  It's why, not only won't they repeal Obamacare, but also, they are actively looking to force upon us government run health care.  They relish the ability to play God and decide who lives and who dies. 

I doubt we will ever see term limits.  After all, they are the ones who would decide on this issue and no way would they want to give up their power.

[jpsb]

That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!

 

[Bigun]

The deterioration of the US Senate can be traced directly to the 17th Amendment, which allowed for popular, direct election of U.S. Senators, who had previously been appointed by the legislatures of each state. Now, instead of representing the broader interests of the state from which they come, Senators are glorified and exalted versions of House Representatives, with more power but less responsibility.

B I N G O ! ! !

[Applewood]

Only about 1/2 dozen fall into that category. McCain, Collins, Corker and a few others.

Far more than just a few.  In fact, I'm hard pressed to find any who aren't liars and thieves.

[Hoodat]

John McCain confirms (again) that he is a collaborator.

[Night Hides Not]

@skeeter
Boy is that ever true. It is like a disease of some kind. Some kind of insatiable lust/greed for money and power. Enough is never Enough. It is more important to them than life itself.

I could never live like that. I can't even imagine thinking like that. I want to have some fun, live my life. I have a bucket list. I want to buy a place in Aruba and chill out. I don't want to have to 'go to work' when I am 90 years old. Maybe they have some kind of mental illness that makes them think that as long as they 'stay in office', they cannot die. It really does look that way.

Something is really wrong with those guys. On a serious level. They are never going to leave office until the paramedics have to pry their hands off their desks. It's a mental illness.

I'm with you.

Unbeknownst to me was a financial benefit to taking Social Security early. My son qualifies for  benefits until he graduates from HS in 2 1/2 years.

As a result, I'm chilling for the next two years. I'll work part time, doing something that I want to do, such as work in a local wine bar/tasting room.

I can't imagine continuing to work in an unfulfilling job when I can spend time with my 7 year old grandson.

[Applewood]

That tax bill is what happens when they have to run everything by their K Street masters before taking ANY action!

Whatever happened to the saying that we voters are their employers?  I don't know about anyone else here, but if I treated my employers the way these charlatans treat us voters, I would have been in the unemployment line.

[Bigun]

Whatever happened to the saying that we voters are their employers?  I don't know about anyone else here, but if I treated my employers the way these charlatans treat us voters, I would have been in the unemployment line.

And they should be as well!  But we also need to take away the tools that allow the K Street people to hold so much power in Washington starting with the current tax code and the IRS!

We should never forget that the 16th and 17th amendments as well as the federal reserve act all came to us in the same year under President Woodrow Wilson!  I don't think that was an accident.

[240B]

I'm with you.

Unbeknownst to me was a financial benefit to taking Social Security early. My son qualifies for  benefits until he graduates from HS in 2 1/2 years.

As a result, I'm chilling for the next two years. I'll work part time, doing something that I want to do, such as work in a local wine bar/tasting room.

I can't imagine continuing to work in an unfulfilling job when I can spend time with my 7 year old grandson.

@Night Hides Not

When I was younger, I worked in an elite very technical environment. We were building and programming satellites. Everything was very serious, very intense. Lot's of pressure all the time.

Very competitive. It was a place where you really could make a lot of money. And we all knew that. My boss couldn't understand me. He was confused why I didn't care? I didn't feel the pressure. It was perplexing him.

I think that I might be a closet hippy. I don't know. But I really just didn't care. I was good at my job. I was coding ADA with pragma C on a supercomputer with an Informix database for the government. And I was good.

My boss asked me, 'What is up with you? Why are you not bothered by any of this? What the hell?'

I looked at him and I said sort of like that Oddball guy in that movie, I said for some reason that I don't know, I said, "You know man, some people just can't hear the music." I was just having fun. I didn't need all the drama.

Sometimes, you just have to take a break, and listen to the music. So many people in my life really just don't get that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o

[Victoria33]

Diane Feinstein is 84 and wants to run for another 6 year term.
She's wealthier than Rockefeller and she just can't leave Washington and enjoy what little remains of her life.
These people do not believe they are like you and I. And they're not.

@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1

At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living?  If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live".  What do you call "enjoy"?  She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book.  Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?

Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s.  I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100.  I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die.  What is the age you want us to stop living?

[RoosGirl]

@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1

At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living?  If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live".  What do you call "enjoy"?  She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book.  Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?

Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s.  I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100.  I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die.  What is the age you want us to stop living?

You are coherent though.  When you become as incoherent as she is we will gently suggest you retire.

[skeeter]

@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1

At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living?  If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live".  What do you call "enjoy"?  She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book.  Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?

Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s.  I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100.  I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die.  What is the age you want us to stop living?

Unless you are one of those who live to lord over me - to tell me how to live MY life while you go about living a life of privilege apart then God bless you, work as long as you want.

[Sanguine]

@Night Hides Not

When I was younger, I worked in an elite very technical environment. We were building and programming satellites. Everything was very serious, very intense. Lot's of pressure all the time.

Very competitive. It was a place where you really could make a lot of money. And we all knew that. My boss couldn't understand me. He was confused why I didn't care? I didn't feel the pressure. It was perplexing him.

I think that I might be a closet hippy. I don't know. But I really just didn't care. I was good at my job. I was coding ADA with pragma C on a supercomputer with an Informix database for the government. And I was good.

My boss asked me, 'What is up with you? Why are you not bothered by any of this? What the hell?'

I looked at him and I said sort of like that Oddball guy in that movie, I said for some reason that I don't know, I said, "You know man, some people just can't hear the music." I was just having fun. I didn't need all the drama.

Sometimes, you just have to take a break, and listen to the music. So many people in my life really just don't get that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5cL-h3Pj1o

Naw, if you had a regular job, you weren't a hippy.   

[Night Hides Not]

@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1

At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living?  If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live".  What do you call "enjoy"?  She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book.  Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?

Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s.  I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100.  I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die.  What is the age you want us to stop living?

Big difference between you and the octogenarians in Congress. Many no longer have the mental faculties that are necessary to being functional legislators. That includes septuagenarians like Pelosi and Thad Cochran.

I'm not done yet, at 63. In addition to spending my time on winery visits, I'm going back to school for a history degree. I'd like to do some serious research on the history of Mosel viticulture, which dares back to the Romans.

[240B]

@skeeter
@txradioguy
@mystery-ak
@INVAR
@CatherineofAragon
@roamer_1

At what age do you want us to be to give up living and learning and making a contribution to society?
I just wrote a book at age 83 - was that okay with you or should I sit and do nothing since I am 83?
At what age are you going to give up living?  If you have an age for us, what is yours?
You say, "enjoy what little remains of her live".  What do you call "enjoy"?  She is 84 and I am 83 and I am going to "enjoy" writing another book.  Again, what is your definition of "enjoy"?

Yes, I am taking up for people in their 80s.  I am not dead yet and have said I will run for Miss America when I am 100.  I refuse to sit and do nothing until I die.  What is the age you want us to stop living?

"Age" is not the issue. It is not at all about 'stop living', it's more about 'start living'. Nobody cares about how old you are, to a point. You're not going to draft 70 year old guys into the Army because that would make no sense.

It's not about how old you are, it is more about being rational and reasonable. It is about sharing the wealth. Pass the baton. My reverse question is when is Enough, Enough? I'm not talking about age here, it's just damn!

Like you said, go write a book. Write a dozen books. Travel around the world. Do whatever you want to do. But, for Christ's sake, give some younger people a break. You can't become a squatter in your office until you die. Not only is it undignified, it is also simply 'not fair'. It is greedy and unbecoming.

[GrouchoTex]

I'm in no way defending McCain, but he may have inadvertently help save us from this pi**poor bill.  This isn't a tax cut; it's a tax shuffle.

I agree. They are all afraid to lower the top margins, for fear of being accused of helping the rich.
This bill doesn't, and will not, do that.

[bilo]

That truth became crystal clear when they refused to put a clean OCare repeal bill on Trumps' desk. They put one on Os' desk knowing he'd never sign it. But would not do the same for Trump knowing he WOULD sign it.

That's why I won't vote for them in a general election again. I will support conservatives in the primaries and if they aren't on the ballot in the general election I won't vote. Enough is enough!

Tax reform is quickly becoming another example of how little party discipline the Pubs have and how they are liars and cheats. They say they will do one thing during the campaign and then they do another when it's time to follow through. They fund raise promising to do one thing if we will just send them more money and then they don't do it. Liars and Cheats!

[KingsX]

I turn the channel to FOX business news before I go to bed. So it is the first thing I see when I turn on the TV the next day to check out the business news.  Right after I woke up today,  I turned on the TV and the English guy was ranting at a guest.  The first words I heard were about the GOP raising an individual tax rate.  Since I have been ranting for weeks about the GOP raising the lowest tax rate from 10% to 12%... in my still sleepy state of mind,  that was my first thought.  Then immediately it became clear he was ranting about the GOP's last minute increase  [back to the current tax rate] on the highest incomes. 

Here's the irony... when so many here were attacking me for my position against the GOP tax plan.... I remember saying that some of them might find out the hard way they will be negatively affected as well.

Stuart Varney was the FOX Business host who was ranting.  Ironic that the shoe is now on the other foot.

Here's a related news article

http://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/2017/11/06/economy-misses-out-as-taxes-rise-for-rich-varney.html