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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #100 on: November 05, 2017, 11:02:58 pm »
The real travesty is that God callously left His own people, in His own house, for DEAD. No good and righteous God could do such a thing. This is inexcusable. Period.

You don't know much about God, do you?
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #101 on: November 05, 2017, 11:03:00 pm »
G-d gave a lot of horrible things happen to Job.  I never understood why he didn't say blank off until last year when everything went to poop in my life and I finally got it.



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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #102 on: November 05, 2017, 11:03:46 pm »
No one knows what the future holds. He may have spared these folks from any of a number of evils by bringing them home to Him. He knows what He is doing.
No God did not "Bring them home!"

We all suffer at some point in time because of the rebellion in the Garden.

What God did is to give man Free Will and the Right to be more than puppets!
(Read the book of Job which gives the answer to this very question)

Job, the Apostles, Jesus ....

As written: “The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” (1 John 5:19)

This world reflects the personality of the invisible spirit creature who is “misleading the entire inhabited earth.” (Revelation 12:9)

Satan is hateful, deceptive, and cruel.
So the world, under his influence, is full of hatred, deceit, and cruelty.

That is one reason why there is so much suffering.

Another reason for suffering is “time and unexpected events.”

(Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9)
I have seen something further under the sun, that the swift do not always win the race, nor do the mighty win the battle nor do the wise always have the food, nor do the intelligent always have the riches, nor do those with knowledge always have success, because time and unexpected events overtake them all.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #103 on: November 05, 2017, 11:04:01 pm »
Why should I be closer to a God that abandoned these people? Will He not abandon me the same way?

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Humans have the right of choice - to do bad things or do good things - that choice started with Adam and Eve.  This isn't the thread for your problem with God.  PM me if you want to discuss that.  I've just started writing a book about such.

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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #104 on: November 05, 2017, 11:05:25 pm »
Looks like the sort you wouldn't want to sit next to at a doctors office....



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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #105 on: November 05, 2017, 11:06:02 pm »

It's also Guy Fawkes night.

Yes it is.  Guy Fawkes attempted to assassinate the entire English Parliament 5 November, 1605.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #106 on: November 05, 2017, 11:07:18 pm »
I agree...Please stay on topic....if you wish to delve deeper into the *why did God let this happen* start another thread.
Did you not ban religion threads?

But if you wish, I will cease discussion of the topic.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #107 on: November 05, 2017, 11:08:16 pm »
@jmylefuller

Humans have the right of choice - to do bad things or do good things - that choice started with Adam and Eve.  This isn't the thread for your problem with God.  PM me if you want to discuss that.  I've just started writing a book about such.

Hate to ruin your day but some dude already wrote that book.....



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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #108 on: November 05, 2017, 11:11:36 pm »
By making them suffer painful deaths at the hand of a mass murderer's bullets? EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT CHURCH SUFFERED INJURIES. No one was spared. That kind of wholesale massacre has not been seen since Sodom!

And God did nothing.

That leaves only three possibilities: 1: The church was wholly evil; 2: God is evil; 3: There is no God.

This is the dumbest thing I've read on these forums in a long, long time.

What it really demonstrates is your complete and utter lack of understanding regarding the finite versus the infinite. The worldly versus the eternal.

Look at it this way, if I said, "Myrle, give me all the money in your wallet and bank accounts," you'd probably think I was taking too much... that I was going to cause you to suffer. If that demand was followed up with, "In turn, I shall grant you access to limitless wealth," you'd comply. For the sake of argument, let's just say I'm going to give you $10 trillion dollars and you *knew* that I would. Hell, you'd empty your bank accounts so fast it would put you out of breath.

God lives in the eternal. The infinite. No finite amount of suffering here on Earth can measure up to the infinite joy of God in Heaven. In plain mathematical terms, any finite number divided by infinity equals ZERO. Any finite unhappiness or suffering when compared to infinite joy equals zero.

So, anyone with an inkling of understanding about how the infinite relates to our finite existence here on Earth simply *knows* that the finite suffering we felt while alive becomes infinitesimal and irrelevant when we join God in Heaven.

Of course, you have to be faithful to God first - and not the anthropomorphized God you think about. He's not a white-bearded man sitting in the clouds. Only children think like that. Sophisticated thinkers understand what "I am" actually means.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2017, 11:14:14 pm »
Why should I be closer to a God that abandoned these people? Will He not abandon me the same way?

You're such a limited, terrestrial thinker.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2017, 11:15:25 pm »
Did you not ban religion threads?

But if you wish, I will cease discussion of the topic.

Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea:  "Why does God allow his children to suffer such pain?"  Why indeed?  He let his own Son be nailed to a cross, to agonize for many hours.  As @mystery-ak suggests, it's a good topic, but on its own thread.  This one is for discussion and mourning.

Start a thread.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #111 on: November 05, 2017, 11:16:46 pm »
You're such a limited, terrestrial thinker.

Technically aren't we all?

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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #112 on: November 05, 2017, 11:17:25 pm »
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Can you sleep tonight, colleagues, when the price of gun lobby goodwill is this - blood soaked church and school floors, city streets?
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« Reply #113 on: November 05, 2017, 11:17:40 pm »
Technically aren't we all?

Yeah, but it's the qualifier "such" that sets him apart.
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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #114 on: November 05, 2017, 11:18:22 pm »
Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea:  "Why does God allow his children to suffer such pain?"  Why indeed?  He let his own Son be nailed to a cross, to agonize for many hours.  As @mystery-ak suggests, it's a good topic, but on its own thread.  This one is for discussion and mourning.

Start a thread.

Hear! Hear! If you start a new thread instead of hijacking an existing one, you might get a more focused discussion. Most of us are trying to follow the events in Sutherland Springs.


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« Reply #115 on: November 05, 2017, 11:20:09 pm »
Technically aren't we all?

Try "filled with the Spirit" instead of filled with the spirits sometime.
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« Reply #116 on: November 05, 2017, 11:20:50 pm »
Devin Michael Kelly age 26, supposedly a convert to the religion of pieces.

Got middle name wrong- it's Patrick.

Aren't they all? 

Oh, that's right. They are usually right-wing Christians who cling to their guns and religion.

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Re: 'Mass shooting' reported at Sutherland Springs church in Texas
« Reply #117 on: November 05, 2017, 11:20:54 pm »
Did you not ban religion threads?

But if you wish, I will cease discussion of the topic.

I would let a discussion start on that subject..just not here.
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« Reply #118 on: November 05, 2017, 11:21:36 pm »
Try "filled with the Spirit" instead of filled with the spirits sometime.

That will go over some heads.  :whistle:


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« Reply #119 on: November 05, 2017, 11:22:34 pm »
From what I'm seeing this a**hole might be a member of Antifa..
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« Reply #120 on: November 05, 2017, 11:23:00 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

I saw the pictures and heard about the lives of those killed in New York.  So many of them had just finished college, having degrees in serious subjects and were just starting new jobs or looking for jobs in those areas.  It takes courage and persistence to get those degrees and now their lives were gone.  I mourned for their loss.  I saw one of the father's and he was in shock that his son was gone when he had just started his life in a career.

We have evil people killing us and now many dead today.

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« Reply #121 on: November 05, 2017, 11:23:16 pm »
From what I'm seeing this a**hole might be a member of Antifa..

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« Reply #122 on: November 05, 2017, 11:23:34 pm »
That will go over some heads.  :whistle:

Right. He spends way too much time under the pool table in the Lounge.
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« Reply #124 on: November 05, 2017, 11:27:27 pm »
She asked me name my foe then. I said the need within some men to fight and kill their brothers without thought of Love or God. Ken Hensley