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5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« on: October 28, 2017, 01:25:46 pm »
Mueller has to give them someone and take away any focus on the Uranium One investigation of which he was a party too.  My hunch is that it will be DJT Jr. or Kushner that is indicted making it next to impossible for Trump to fire Mueller.  It will be checkmate in the chess game that's being played right now.

......Here are five indictments and related outcomes that are possible then:

Leading indicators

Paul Manafort is indicted. We know that the former Trump campaign chairman has plenty of ties to Russia and other former clients in the region, including former senior Ukrainian leaders.

Most recently, reports surfaced of alleged business dealings totaling $60 million over the past decade between Manafort and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with close ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin. Manafort worked for Deripaska from 2005 to 2009, The Associated Press reported.

Mueller has reportedly warned Manafort — who is said to have supplied the Putin-connected Deripaska with briefings on the 2016 campaign — that he likely would be indicted.

Michael Flynn is indicted. The retired Army three-star general was once a well-respected military intelligence officer. He rose through the ranks to lead the Pentagon’s top espionage entity, the Defense Intelligence Agency. Then, former aides and confidants have told NPR and other outlets, something changed.

Flynn became enamored with the kind of conservative conspiracy theories that helped power Trump to the White House. The longtime soldier, who had gone into the consulting world after being fired from the DIA by President Barack Obama, became a leading national security and foreign policy adviser to candidate Trump.

But Flynn brought to the campaign a list of questionable decisions, many involving his ties to Russian officials, as a general turned consultant. Flynn served just 24 days as Trump’s first White House national security adviser before being fired for misleading Vice President Mike Pence.

House Democrats have pressed for their Republican counterparts to subpoena the White House for documents they allege will show Flynn’s “egregious conflicts of interest” due to his business dealings with foreign governments. One is Turkey. Another is Russia....

Carter Page is indicted. The Trump-connected energy consultant came under scrutiny in 2016 for alleged questionable ties to Putin’s government while he was part of the Trump campaign.

Though Page has denied any nefarious links to Russian officials, he has informed the Senate Intelligence Committee that he plans to plead the Fifth if called to testify in that panel’s Russia probe. He is slated to appear before the House Intelligence Committee next week but has given no indication if he will be cooperative in that investigation.

The long shots

Jared Kushner or Donald Trump Jr. is indicted. The latter is the president’s eldest son and the former is his son-in-law and a senior White House adviser. Both were present during a June 2016 Trump Tower meeting with a Russian lawyer who allegedly came with dirt on Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

After nearly three hours of testimony before Senate Intelligence staffers on July 24, Kushner stood outside the White House and denied colluding with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign, saying all of his actions were both legal and proper.....

He has said he left the Trump Tower meeting with the Kremlin-linked lawyer after concluding she had nothing of value for his father-in-law’s campaign.........

If Mueller is targeting the commander in chief, going after his son or son-in-law this early would be a way of getting Trump's attention.

Trump fires Mueller. Remember, Trump already ousted FBI Director James B. Comey, who has said the president asked him to drop the investigation into Flynn.........

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-5-possible-outcomes-of-first-mueller-indictments/ar-AAu9yum?li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2017, 01:56:46 pm »
Trump aside, there's something creepy about this affair. If you've dealt with a good number of people then you've surely dealt with some unsavory ones. If you're not mute then you've probably said what seemed innocuous at the time but could come back to haunt you.

If they're going to indict someone then that should be for something concrete.



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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 02:21:55 pm »
Trump aside, there's something creepy about this affair. If you've dealt with a good number of people then you've surely dealt with some unsavory ones. If you're not mute then you've probably said what seemed innocuous at the time but could come back to haunt you.

If they're going to indict someone then that should be for something concrete.

Sure, the indictment should be for something concrete, but keep in mind, the DEMS have to take focus off of Uranium One and the dossiers.  Mueller was involved in the Clinton Uranium One scandal.  Right now, I'm sure he's under a great deal of pressure not only to save his own neck, but to bury and silence any further investigation into DEM corruption.  If he hands over Don Jr. or Kushner; mission accomplished...even if they are found innocent.
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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2017, 02:47:58 pm »
This is all going the way of Scooter Libby.

There is no crime. In fact, there is only an investigation because of the CRIME committed on the DEMOCRATIC side. So, in the absence of an actual crime, they will say someone lied when they were investigating the non-crime.

It's deplorable.
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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2017, 03:43:44 pm »
This is all going the way of Scooter Libby.

There is no crime. In fact, there is only an investigation because of the CRIME committed on the DEMOCRATIC side. So, in the absence of an actual crime, they will say someone lied when they were investigating the non-crime.

It's deplorable.

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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 05:28:46 pm »
 Sharyl Attkisson‏Verified account @SharylAttkisson 2h2 hours ago

Friday leak of grand jury indictments. If you've ready The Smear, you probably believe it's intended to dominate news coverage this weekend and drown out talk of Uranium One scandal. You're pretty smart!

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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2017, 05:33:09 pm »
Longer shot:  Manafort and Tony Podesta

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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2017, 05:38:40 pm »
Sharyl Attkisson‏Verified account @SharylAttkisson 2h2 hours ago

Friday leak of grand jury indictments. If you've ready The Smear, you probably believe it's intended to dominate news coverage this weekend and drown out talk of Uranium One scandal. You're pretty smart!

Bingo.

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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2017, 09:38:39 pm »
Sharyl Attkisson‏Verified account @SharylAttkisson 2h2 hours ago

Friday leak of grand jury indictments. If you've ready The Smear, you probably believe it's intended to dominate news coverage this weekend and drown out talk of Uranium One scandal. You're pretty smart!

Of course.  This will be the next liberal mental midget media story that will dominate the press for months ... giving Rosenstein and Mueller more time to bury information to help Clinton/Bammy to lie and deflect. 

Calling Jeff Sessions ... where are you?? Oh that's right not to worry.  In Grassley's infinite wisdom 'special' counsel needs to be appointed for further investigation.  Hello .... how's 'special' counsel Mueller workin' out for ya'll?
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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2017, 11:26:41 pm »
Longer shot:  Manafort and Tony Podesta

Take this as you will:

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Just heard from source who spoke to two witnesses.
(Mueller was in the room for one)

Not one Trump, Don, Flynn, or Jared question.

ALL questions dealt w Podesta Group & Manafort & did they know & understand his propositions to them.

Not a thing related to Trump.
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BTW Ed Rollins says Clinton is screaming “conspiracy” so you know we are headed in the right direction.
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He is the author of more than a dozen scholarly and popular fiction books; his best known popular book is A Patriot's History of the United States , coauthored with Michael Allen.

According to professors Guy Burton and Ted Goertzel, "Schweikart and Allen are both history professors with distinguished publication records."

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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2017, 11:37:45 pm »
This is all going the way of Scooter Libby.

There is no crime. In fact, there is only an investigation because of the CRIME committed on the DEMOCRATIC side. So, in the absence of an actual crime, they will say someone lied when they were investigating the non-crime.

It's deplorable.

And I think that's a danger to Mueller. Perjury or some other flim flam charge that's indirect and not concrete takes a big risk of ultimately coming back to bite the Dems, because the contrast between some kind of derivative charge and the dossier/Uranium One scandals will be wide. That gives the GOP side ability to hype the latter by minimizing the former.

It could just flat out accelerate the investigation into the Dems.
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Re: 5 Possible Outcomes of First Muller Indictments
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2017, 11:40:02 pm »

LS has generally understood what was going on, better than most others.

I won't be surprised if, by Monday, the dems are organized and screeching "opposition research" as loudly as they can.

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