Authorities put brakes on information flow in Las Vegas shooiting

[austingirl]

Authorities put brakes on information flow in Las Vegas shooting- no kidding!

Fifty-eight people killed. More than 500 injured. And yet, nearly a month after the Las Vegas Strip experienced the worst mass shooting in modern American history, local and federal authorities are refusing to fill in the blanks.

It doesn’t matter,” FBI spokeswoman Sandra Breault told the Las Vegas Review-Journal on Thursday, when asked why there had been no significant updates in two weeks. “It’s an ongoing investigation, and unless there’s something to report, there will not be a briefing.”

Calls to the national FBI office were forwarded back to Breault at the Las Vegas office.

At least twice this week, the Las Vegas Review-Journal has asked to speak with Sheriff Joe Lombardo about the shooting investigation. Both times, reporters were told by Carla Alston, the Police Department’s director of communications, that the sheriff “will not be conducting interviews.”

more at:
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/shootings/authorities-put-brakes-on-information-flow-in-las-vegas-shooting/

[stephen50right]

Something "strange" is going on here with this. For example with the Orlando shootings, and most if not all other terrorist shootings, law enforcement would normally be more than cooperative with presenting information...but they don't seem to be in this case for some reason.

[austingirl]

Something "strange" is going on here with this. For example with the Orlando shootings, and most if not all other terrorist shootings, law enforcement would normally be more than cooperative with presenting information...but they don't seem to be in this case for some reason.

Their silence leads to speculation. I'm wondering if they've uncovered a plot and are trying to stop it or if they are just inept.

[Applewood]

Their silence leads to speculation. I'm wondering if they've uncovered a plot and are trying to stop it or if they are just inept.

The less they tell us, the more the conspiracy theories spread.  This morning there was a thread on this site about the wounded being hounded by conspiracy loons who believe these survivors were crisis actors.  Not that talking would deter the conspiracy crazies entirely, but maybe we wouldn't have so many of them jumping to conclusions and causing trouble. 

Then again, from the last couple of news conferences with changing timelines and what not, it seems like law enforcement doesn't know what they're talking about.  Maybe they should keep their mouths shut. 

By the way, I still believe the FBI is in charge and they are screwing up this investigation royally.

[austingirl]

The less they tell us, the more the conspiracy theories spread.  This morning there was a thread on this site about the wounded being hounded by conspiracy loons who believe these survivors were crisis actors.  Not that talking would deter the conspiracy crazies entirely, but maybe we wouldn't have so many of them jumping to conclusions and causing trouble. 

Then again, from the last couple of news conferences with changing timelines and what not, it seems like law enforcement doesn't know what they're talking about.  Maybe they should keep their mouths shut. 

By the way, I still believe the FBI is in charge and they are screwing up this investigation royally.

McCabe is in charge. Why does he still have a job? There should be a major housecleaning at the FBI.

[edpc]

Then again, from the last couple of news conferences with changing timelines and what not, it seems like law enforcement doesn't know what they're talking about.  Maybe they should keep their mouths shut.

The sheriff stepped in it deep and early when he suggested Paddock would have to be superhuman to accomplish this alone.

[austingirl]

The sheriff stepped in it deep and early when he suggested Paddock would have to be superhuman to accomplish this alone.

Yep, and I think the sheriff was right, especially given the number of unspecified electronic devices, computers, phones, and camera found and no info that Paddock was a tech kind of guy. He had no "digital footprint," we've been told.

[Smokin Joe]

Their silence leads to speculation. I'm wondering if they've uncovered a plot and are trying to stop it or if they are just inept.

You got two out of three likely reasons.

[Smokin Joe]

Yep, and I think the sheriff was right, especially given the number of unspecified electronic devices, computers, phones, and camera found and no info that Paddock was a tech kind of guy. He had no "digital footprint," we've been told.

At most @txradioguy and I figured he'd need maybe six firearms to carry this op off. Over 20 suggests he was expecting company/help, at a minimum, or using his suite as the arsenal for a group.  We haven't heard anything else about alleged explosives in the car, again, either. So early indicators were that it was unlikely he was acting completely alone.

[stephen50right]

At most @txradioguy and I figured he'd need maybe six firearms to carry this op off. Over 20 suggests he was expecting company/help, at a minimum, or using his suite as the arsenal for a group.  We haven't heard anything else about alleged explosives in the car, again, either. So early indicators were that it was unlikely he was acting completely alone.

At this point i think he did act alone. The "cover up' if any seems to me to be in regard to ISIS influence.

It seemed strange to me that within a day, the FBI ruled out ISIS as a possibility. Why rule out ISIS so quickly, it just didn't make sense.

This whole thing could be a remnant yet of the Obama administration not wishing to give Islam a bad name in any way, shape or form. Even though Trump of course has no love for Islam, it's a fact that Obama obviously did, and the FBI could still be carrying around that Obama mentality about Islam despite the new administration.

I think based on the fact this guy planned this out, possibly for years, that he likely around six months ago contacted ISIS in some way, perhaps just over the internet. Whether or not contacting ISIS had anything to do with his plan, I doubt it, he was going to do it with or without ISIS approval, and of course ISIS would approve it.

Very tough, if not impossible to get into the mind of a psychopath, and clearly that's what this guy was. It's tough even when a psychopath survives, and is interviewed, they still cannot be totally figured out. I mean despite all the interviews over the years, has anyone really figured out Charles Manson yet and why he did what he did? I don't think so.

I think Trump got it right. It's simply evil at work. Sadly and unfortunately, sometimes evil happens, and all we can do is end it as quickly as possible.

[Smokin Joe]

I have little doubt evil was at work, the question remains of how many hands it was using.

He may well have acted alone, but some things do not fit.

While Paddock may have been crazy, I doubt he was stupid. What purpose to bring over twenty firearms when less than a third of that would have done the job? I'm not saying everything a "nutcase" does will make sense to us, but most of it does in the context of their thinking. Whether or not accomplices showed up, he had enough rifles and ammo to go around.

As for the Enforcement agencies, I am sure that Mohamed Elibiary (formerly DHS) was not the only one at the Federal Level, and I would strongly suspect that there was more infiltration not only at the FBI but CIA also.
https://freedomoutpost.com/muslim-brotherhood-taken-white-house/

At least one of the videos released shortly afterward maintained that DHS was present in Vegas at the time of the  shooting. Maybe one of those conferences or seminars we hear about.
Gateway Pundit had them there circa Oct 6, at the latest.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/developing-dhs-full-force-las-vegas-mandalay-bay-hotel-friday/
They had had a Cyber Security Division exhibit back in July (must be a popular venue):

CSD is exhibiting at BlackHat USA 2017  – July 26-27, 2017 – Mandalay Bay Resort & Casino | Las Vegas, Nevada: CSD is exhibiting at the BlackHat USA 2017 conference, where we will showcase mature technologies ready for pilot deployments and commercialization into the marketplace.

https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/csd-events, so likely some folks there were familiar with the layout.


Officially, The FBI had little to say on their site: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/seeking-victim-information/assistance-for-victims-of-the-harvest-music-festival-shooting-in-las-vegas
No statement on this page: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/news (But scroll down, the Orlando shooting is there)

Not much from their Las Vegas Office site: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas
In fact, it's non news: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas/news

Yet the next day (Oct 2), the FBI had announced this had nothing to do with international terrorism.

We saw headlines like: 

FBI: Las Vegas shooting has no connection to international terrorists
    By Alene Tchekmedyian & Hailey Branson-Potts Los Angeles Times Oct 2, 2017

Now, how did they know that?

Of course, the more crackpot assertions floating around, the more muddled the story gets. I have to ask, if that isn't just a side effect of the investigation (which could be pretty extensive), cui bono?

From LVMP: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/1OctoberFestivalShooting.aspx
press release: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Press%20Releases/PO%20235%2010-02-17.pdf

There should be some video, too: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/VegasSafeCam.aspx

Anyhow, aside from pressers filtered through the press, there isn't much on their official sites.
Everything comes trickling through some press filters, which leaves so little information the information environment is ripe for speculation and pushing wild theories. I don't mind discussing possibilities, but don't have one pet theory yet. It just seems strange there is so little officially confirmed info out there, with the exception of the usual "Not a terrorist act." mantra.

[stephen50right]

I have little doubt evil was at work, the question remains of how many hands it was using.

He may well have acted alone, but some things do not fit.

While Paddock may have been crazy, I doubt he was stupid. What purpose to bring over twenty firearms when less than a third of that would have done the job? I'm not saying everything a "nutcase" does will make sense to us, but most of it does in the context of their thinking. Whether or not accomplices showed up, he had enough rifles and ammo to go around.

As for the Enforcement agencies, I am sure that Mohamed Elibiary (formerly DHS) was not the only one at the Federal Level, and I would strongly suspect that there was more infiltration not only at the FBI but CIA also.
https://freedomoutpost.com/muslim-brotherhood-taken-white-house/

At least one of the videos released shortly afterward maintained that DHS was present in Vegas at the time of the  shooting. Maybe one of those conferences or seminars we hear about.
Gateway Pundit had them there circa Oct 6, at the latest.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/developing-dhs-full-force-las-vegas-mandalay-bay-hotel-friday/
They had had a Cyber Security Division exhibit back in July (must be a popular venue): https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/csd-events, so likely some folks there were familiar with the layout.


Officially, The FBI had little to say on their site: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/seeking-victim-information/assistance-for-victims-of-the-harvest-music-festival-shooting-in-las-vegas
No statement on this page: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/news (But scroll down, the Orlando shooting is there)

Not much from their Las Vegas Office site: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas
In fact, it's non news: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas/news

Yet the next day (Oct 2), the FBI had announced this had nothing to do with international terrorism.

We saw headlines like: 
Now, how did they know that?

Of course, the more crackpot assertions floating around, the more muddled the story gets. I have to ask, if that isn't just a side effect of the investigation (which could be pretty extensive), cui bono?

From LVMP: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/1OctoberFestivalShooting.aspx
press release: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Press%20Releases/PO%20235%2010-02-17.pdf

There should be some video, too: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/VegasSafeCam.aspx

Anyhow, aside from pressers filtered through the press, there isn't much on their official sites.
Everything comes trickling through some press filters, which leaves so little information the information environment is ripe for speculation and pushing wild theories. I don't mind discussing possibilities, but don't have one pet theory yet. It just seems strange there is so little officially confirmed info out there, with the exception of the usual "Not a terrorist act." mantra.

I'll keep an open mind about it, but I still think he acted alone. You have a interesting point about why so many weapons. My view is since he was a psychopath, in his horrifically demented mind, he figured he could use as many of those weapons as possible before the inevitable occurred of law enforcement barging into his room.

Paddock didn't seem to want to do the Lee Harvey Oswald thing of murdering and then wanting to escape. Paddock seemed buttoned down in that hotel room with his goal of murdering as many as possible, and not wishing to live to sit in a prison cell and stand trial for it.

Again, tough and impossible to fully get into the mind of a psychopath, but here's my two cents and it's not even worth that. I think the way law enforcement treated his father, deeply emotionally affected him towards society, even though it didn't fully manifest itself until the mass murder. Also, he seemed to have a love-hate relationship with gambling, himself fitting every definition of a compulsive gambler. Every compulsive gambler can tell you, even sometimes non-addicted gamblers can tell you, that after a big loss at a casino, they would like to "blow up the casino" or something like that...of course not to be taken literally. However with the mind of a psychopath, I think Paddock did what he did to f* the casino and he knew that mass murdering from a casino room, would cause the casino all sorts of problems such as lawsuits, etc. I realize I'm probably wrong about the analysis, as nobody will ever fully know the mind frame of this murderous punk for sure.

[Neverdul]

At most @txradioguy and I figured he'd need maybe six firearms to carry this op off. Over 20 suggests he was expecting company/help, at a minimum, or using his suite as the arsenal for a group.  We haven't heard anything else about alleged explosives in the car, again, either. So early indicators were that it was unlikely he was acting completely alone.

The number of fire arms proves nothing IMO, except he was perhaps planning on shooting a lot longer than he did.

And why six, why not five or seven?

Or put another way, if you or I had more than six firearms in our home, would that make our home an arsenal or mean we are planning on a group shooting?

[austingirl]

I have little doubt evil was at work, the question remains of how many hands it was using.

He may well have acted alone, but some things do not fit.

While Paddock may have been crazy, I doubt he was stupid. What purpose to bring over twenty firearms when less than a third of that would have done the job? I'm not saying everything a "nutcase" does will make sense to us, but most of it does in the context of their thinking. Whether or not accomplices showed up, he had enough rifles and ammo to go around.

As for the Enforcement agencies, I am sure that Mohamed Elibiary (formerly DHS) was not the only one at the Federal Level, and I would strongly suspect that there was more infiltration not only at the FBI but CIA also.
https://freedomoutpost.com/muslim-brotherhood-taken-white-house/

At least one of the videos released shortly afterward maintained that DHS was present in Vegas at the time of the  shooting. Maybe one of those conferences or seminars we hear about.
Gateway Pundit had them there circa Oct 6, at the latest.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/developing-dhs-full-force-las-vegas-mandalay-bay-hotel-friday/
They had had a Cyber Security Division exhibit back in July (must be a popular venue): https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/csd-events, so likely some folks there were familiar with the layout.


Officially, The FBI had little to say on their site: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/seeking-victim-information/assistance-for-victims-of-the-harvest-music-festival-shooting-in-las-vegas
No statement on this page: https://www.fbi.gov/resources/victim-assistance/news (But scroll down, the Orlando shooting is there)

Not much from their Las Vegas Office site: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas
In fact, it's non news: https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/lasvegas/news

Yet the next day (Oct 2), the FBI had announced this had nothing to do with international terrorism.

We saw headlines like: 
Now, how did they know that?

Of course, the more crackpot assertions floating around, the more muddled the story gets. I have to ask, if that isn't just a side effect of the investigation (which could be pretty extensive), cui bono?

From LVMP: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/1OctoberFestivalShooting.aspx
press release: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Press%20Releases/PO%20235%2010-02-17.pdf

There should be some video, too: https://www.lvmpd.com/en-us/Pages/VegasSafeCam.aspx

Anyhow, aside from pressers filtered through the press, there isn't much on their official sites.
Everything comes trickling through some press filters, which leaves so little information the information environment is ripe for speculation and pushing wild theories. I don't mind discussing possibilities, but don't have one pet theory yet. It just seems strange there is so little officially confirmed info out there, with the exception of the usual "Not a terrorist act." mantra.

I think there was some reason he had 23 guns. He researched SWAT tactics so he knew what was coming when they found him. He had bullet-proof vests that he was not wearing and a "breathing apparatus" probably a gas mask. We don't know how many of the vests and masks were in the room since they won't give us an inventory. I think it is possible that he was expecting company or had others in the room. He may have even been killed before the shooting because he was the patsy, and the others were rushed because of the security guard which curtailed the attack after ten minutes. They could have fled upstairs to the Saudi owned hotel floors.

He wore gloves because of some skin allergy. Would that affect his shooting? There wouldn't be fingerprints on the guns if he was wearing gloves.

He was evil, for sure, but not "demented." His planning belies a disorganized mind.

Our rulers do not want us to know. Will it be 54 years before they deign to tell us serfs?

[Smokin Joe]

The number of fire arms proves nothing IMO, except he was perhaps planning on shooting a lot longer than he did.

And why six, why not five or seven?

Or put another way, if you or I had more than six firearms in our home, would that make our home an arsenal or mean we are planning on a group shooting?

Six? Three at each shooting position to give the others time to cool down. Shoot until the oil is cooking off them, set it aside to cool and pick up another. Six would allow for enough cool down time, three at each window. More than 20 is definitely overkill. Have a pistol or two for 'security'. and maybe eight all together.

Not that he was worried about burning out barrels or cooking off rounds in the chamber from excessive heat if he wasn't keeping them for later. The shooting style (dump the magazine in continuous fire) indicates absolutely no concern for barrel heating or muzzle climb (large enough target area). From what I have been told, ordinarily fire would be confined to short, targeted bursts to keep the barrel from overheating and permit target reaquisition in response to muzzle climb. Because of the distance, a few degrees of angle would sweep a large area at the other end. (Why I think the fuel tank hits were either sighted, single shots, or flyers from shooting up the crowd.

Evil scenario: Shoot up the crowd, stampede them into the vicinity of the fuel tanks at the airport, attempt to blow up the fuel tank and burn them to death.

In The Embassy bombings in Africa, in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam (1998), the terrorists used small, ineffective bombs in the street to lure people to windows in the embassy and other buildings to see what was going on. Then the big bombs exploded, shredding the people at the windows with broken glass. The style of chasing a crowd out of the frying pan into the fire is an old one, and in the above scenario would be an accurate description of intent.

[austingirl]

Jesus, the security guard is living rent-free at an undisclosed MGM location, kept under wraps, out of the goodness of their hearts-they are so caring.