Vegas bombshell: Video shows 17 ambulances pulling bodies out of Hooters

[Smokin Joe]

Newsflash: the "bodies being removed from Hooters" *is* the alternate explanation. And maybe we'd more accurate to say the "alternate reality" explanation.

The PRIMARY explanation is an EMS staging area.

Oh, and for the mod's benefit, when I said the poster of the video is a world class moron, I mean the poster who made the conspiracy vid and posted it to the site that was linked here.

I guess I'm the only one here who decided to dig up the YouTube of the original unedited video which only has the commentary of the person taking it, and those in the room with him (including the TV in the background). It is long, not particularly loaded up with conspiracy theory, and not as 'exciting' as the clickbait stuff, but it is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

[Smokin Joe]

Methinks the Mandalay Bay shooting is going to rival the Kennedy assassination for "conspiracy theories" for decades to come.

The problem with the Las Vegas shooting is that there isn't enough "there" there. Unless there is information in the hands of the authorities that they haven't revealed, the shooter left essentially nothing behind which could explain his motivations. A case 180 degrees removed from someone like the Unabomber, and his manifesto.

But let's apply Occam's razor:
I don't think "the authorities" know much more about Stephen Paddock than we do.

His girlfriend may know something; perhaps the talkative brother as well. But that's "hearsay" evidence. Paddock kept his dark thoughts and plans to himself.

Some questions I'd like answered:
1. Of the 12 rifles found in the hotel room that had been fitted with bump stocks, how many of them had been fired?
2. How many spent cartridges were found in the hotel room?
3. Of those found, how many from each fired rifle?
4. How many magazines were used, and what was the capacity of each?
5. Do all the bullets recovered from the concert area match those rifles from the hotel room (to the extent that such comparisons are possible)?

Surely the investigators have compiled such info by now.
Has anyone asked these questions publicly of them?

Were there enough spent cartridge cases to account for the rounds allegedly fired at the security guard and the crowd? ( a 'shortage' might indicate a second shooter)
I was asking these questions in the first week after the shooting.
 Audio analysis from video tracks taken at the scene might give a number of rounds fired as well as other information.
It would be nice to have a floor plan of the room and contents, including location of weapons, the shooter's body, empty and still loaded magazines, etc.

[Smokin Joe]

I'm glad you could tell those flashing lights were ambulances because I couldn't.  And nowhere could I see any "bodies" being taken out of Hooters and placed in these alleged ambulances.  The video allegedly was shot from a hotel window too far away to tell just what was going on.  Something from ground level might have been clearer, but this video does not back up what is claimed. 

I'm going with the EMS staging area theory.  Much of Las Vegas Boulevard and side streets were blocked off specifically for emergency vehicles and equipment.  So of course, you are going to see flashing lights in front of Hooters, Bellagio and other locations near Mandalay Bay.  Doesn't mean there were shootings at those other locations.

And you are correct that right after the shooting at Mandalay Bay, there were numerous reports on tv of possible multiple shooters at multiple locations.  But I believe that most channels reported it as rumor that was not immediately confirmed.  So the tv in the background doesn't prove anything.  I'm going to guess that the reason the ambulances weren't moved into Mandalay Bay immediately was because law enforcement was looking for those multiple shooters and/or the possibility of a bomb or bombs.  They had to make sure the area was safe before moving in rescuers.

I thought I had posted this link, so my bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q
Focus sharpens six seconds in, and the shape of ambulances is readily distinguishable, especially if you view the video full screen. If you watch the whole thing, you will see ambulances cycle in and out of that location. The commentary is from the guy taking the video.

[Cyber Liberty]

Were there enough spent cartridge cases to account for the rounds allegedly fired at the security guard and the crowd? ( a 'shortage' might indicate a second shooter)
I was asking these questions in the first week after the shooting.
 Audio analysis from video tracks taken at the scene might give a number of rounds fired as well as other information.
It would be nice to have a floor plan of the room and contents, including location of weapons, the shooter's body, empty and still loaded magazines, etc.

There may never be an accurate accounting of how many rounds landed down range, so there probably won't be an accurate accounting of the spent brass, either.

[Applewood]

I guess I'm the only one here who decided to dig up the YouTube of the original unedited video which only has the commentary of the person taking it, and those in the room with him (including the TV in the background). It is long, not particularly loaded up with conspiracy theory, and not as 'exciting' as the clickbait stuff, but it is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3JwEbBMt-Q

Sorry, but I still don't see "bodies" being taken out of Hooters.  And the video is shot too far away. 

[Smokin Joe]

Walter Cronkite was a flat out communist and a congenital liar! He trained his protégé, Dan Rather well in the art of propaganda!

Walter Cronkite lost the Vietnam War when he told America (in full gravitas) that we couldn't win it.

[Cyber Liberty]

Walter Cronkite lost the Vietnam War when he told America (in full gravitas) that we couldn't win it.

I wouldn't even give him the credit that was due the Communists in 1968.  They were slogging it out in the rice paddies while Cronkite sat in his comfy chair degrading the efforts of OUR guys slogging through the rice paddies.

[Smokin Joe]

Sorry, but I still don't see "bodies" being taken out of Hooters.  And the video is shot too far away.

I didn't see bodies being taken out either, that was the comment of the person who shot the video, who kept wishing he had a pair of binoculars. They had been told not to leave their rooms, and from sounds and commentary in the background, didn't want to attract attention to themselves from LEOs which might include a search of the room.

I checked the back doors of the ambulances through the video, and with one exception I noted, the ones on the street were closed and seemed to remain that way. If people were being loaded in, that's the way they would have gone into the vehicle unless multiple ambulatory patients were being put in through a side door, which ordinarily would be on the passenger side of the vehicle.
Some vehicles were parked under the awning there, and those might have had people put in them.

Also, watch to see where they are going. Mandalay Bay and the concert venue are in the upper right of the frame, and he picks the (cell phone?) up and points that out in the video. I am not sure of which direction they would take if they were transporting patients from that location, and that might help clarify what actually had been recorded.

[Bigun]

I wouldn't even give him the credit that was due the Communists in 1968.  They were slogging it out in the rice paddies while Cronkite sat in his comfy chair degrading the efforts of OUR guys slogging through the rice paddies.

The War was not 'lost" in 1968!  It was never actually "lost" until the democrat US Congress cut the legs out from under the SVN Government!

[Smokin Joe]

I wouldn't even give him the credit that was due the Communists in 1968.  They were slogging it out in the rice paddies while Cronkite sat in his comfy chair degrading the efforts of OUR guys slogging through the rice paddies.

At the time Cronkite made that comment, those Communists had been wiped out in every provincial capital except Hue, and the USMC was working on that: the Communists had not won a military victory, but had been soundly defeated. It was the end of the VC as a major fighting force, and most of the engagements after that were fought against NVA regulars more than VC.
The essential element to the Communist victory was the propaganda war back in the US, and Cronkite provided that victory on a silver platter. .

[Smokin Joe]

The War was not 'lost" in 1968!  It was never actually "lost" until the democrat US Congress cut the legs out from under the SVN Government!

Cronkite provided the propaganda victory which 'justified' in the Congress pulling support and emboldened the Communists there and here in the US.
Had the South Vietnamese had even one carrier air wing offshore conducting airstrikes on the massed NVA troops and armored vehicle columns, the invasion could have been stopped in its tracks.

[Bigun]

At the time Cronkite made that comment, those Communists had been wiped out in every provincial capital except Hue, and the USMC was working on that: the Communists had not won a military victory, but had been soundly defeated. It was the end of the VC as a major fighting force, and most of the engagements after that were fought against NVA regulars more than VC.
The essential element to the Communist victory was the propaganda war back in the US, and Cronkite provided that victory on a silver platter. .

Right on my friend! Absolutely SPOT ON!

In a recent interview published in The Wall Street Journal, former colonel Bui Tin who served on the general staff of the North Vietnamese Army and received the unconditional surrender of South Vietnam on April 30, 1975 confirmed the American Tet 1968 military victory:

"Our loses were staggering and a complete surprise. Giap later told me that Tet had been a military defeat, though we had gained the planned political advantages when Johnson agreed to negotiate and did not run for reelection.  The second and third waves in May and September were, in retrospect, mistakes. Our forces in the South were nearly wiped out by all the fighting in 1968. It took us until 1971 to reestablish our presence but we had to use North Vietnamese troops as local guerrillas. If the American forces had not begun to withdraw under Nixon in 1969, they could have punished us severely.

    We suffered badly in 1969 and 1970 as it was." And on strategy: "If Johnson had
granted Westmoreland's requests to enter Laos and block the Ho Chi Minh trail, Hanoi could not have won the war.... it was the only way to bring sufficient military power to bear on the fighting in the South. Building and maintaining the trail was a huge effort involving tens of thousands of soldiers, drivers, repair teams, medical stations, communication units .... our operations were never compromised by attacks on the trail. At times, accurate B-52 strikes would cause real damage, but we put so much in at the top of the trail that enough men and weapons to prolong the war always came out the bottom .... if all the bombing had been concentrated at one time, it would
have hurt our efforts. But the bombing was expanded in slow stages under Johnson and it didn't worry us. We had plenty of time to prepare alternative routes and facilities. We always had stockpiles of rice ready to feed the people for months if a harvest was damaged. The Soviets bought rice from Thailand for us. And the left: "Support for the war from our rear was completely secure while the American rear was vulnerable. Every day our leadership would listen to world news over the radio at 9AM to follow the growth of the antiwar movement.

 Visits to Hanoi by Jane Fonda and former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and ministers gave us confidence that we should hold on in the face of battlefield reverses. We were elated when Jane Fonda, wearing a red Vietnamese dress, said at a press conference that she was ashamed of American actions in the war and would struggle along with us .... those people represented the conscience of America .... part of its war- making capability, and we turning that power in our favor."

Bui Tin went on to serve as the editor of the People's Daily, the official newspaper of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Disillusioned with the reality of Vietnamese communism Bui Tin now lives in Paris.

[Sanguine]

At the time Cronkite made that comment, those Communists had been wiped out in every provincial capital except Hue, and the USMC was working on that: the Communists had not won a military victory, but had been soundly defeated. It was the end of the VC as a major fighting force, and most of the engagements after that were fought against NVA regulars more than VC.
The essential element to the Communist victory was the propaganda war back in the US, and Cronkite provided that victory on a silver platter. .

That's the way I remember it.

[Cyber Liberty]

The War was not 'lost" in 1968!  It was never actually "lost" until the democrat US Congress cut the legs out from under the SVN Government!

I was pretty young at the time, but I thought SVN had the same chance S Korea did until Congress took advantage of Nixon's distractions with Watergate and pulled the rug from under our friends.  Saigon fell April 30, 1975, 8-9 months after Nixon resigned.

[Smokin Joe]

There may never be an accurate accounting of how many rounds landed down range, so there probably won't be an accurate accounting of the spent brass, either.

I was thinking that an audio analysis of the many different videos taken at the scene could possibly provide an estimate of the number of shots fired. The number, type, manufacture, and caliber should have been catalogued and photographed at the scene, all part of gathering evidence. Where different video clips from the scene begin and end part way through, crowd noises might provide enough audio datums to assemble an incident long audio file.

Which brings up a question I heard in one of those "conspiracy theory" videos, but which I though had merit, of whether surrounding buildings and landscape elements have been examined for signs of bullet impacts or spent bullets from angles other than the known position at Mandalay Bay.

It is common for people to look for evidence which supports their theory, but to stop there, possibly ignoring the opportunity to eliminate other possibilities or discover additional evidence.

[Cyber Liberty]

I was thinking that an audio analysis of the many different videos taken at the scene could possibly provide an estimate of the number of shots fired. The number, type, manufacture, and caliber should have been catalogued and photographed at the scene, all part of gathering evidence. Where different video clips from the scene begin and end part way through, crowd noises might provide enough audio datums to assemble an incident long audio file.

Which brings up a question I heard in one of those "conspiracy theory" videos, but which I though had merit, of whether surrounding buildings and landscape elements have been examined for signs of bullet impacts or spent bullets from angles other than the known position at Mandalay Bay.

It is common for people to look for evidence which supports their theory, but to stop there, possibly ignoring the opportunity to eliminate other possibilities or discover additional evidence.

I'm inclined to agree that people stop looking once they've confirmed their theories.  Many innocent people have gone to jail because investigators simply stopped looking for clues once "they got their man."

[Bigun]

I was pretty young at the time, but I thought SVN had the same chance S Korea did until Congress took advantage of Nixon's distractions with Watergate and pulled the rug from under our friends.  Saigon fell April 30, 1975, 8-9 months after Nixon resigned.

See the excerpt from the WSJ article I posted above.

[DCPatriot]

Well, I just learned something today on TBR.

Learned that Walter Cronkite was a Communist.  And that he was responsible for losing the Viet Nam War.


...must be true.  I read it on the internet.     

[ABX]

The War was not 'lost" in 1968!  It was never actually "lost" until the democrat US Congress cut the legs out from under the SVN Government!

Way before my time, but that's how I understood it. We never lost a single battle but our politicians wouldn't support the SVN so there always would be a vacuum that the NV would fight for. We lost because we simply chose not to win. If we had the balls to stand up, support the SVN government as official, and draw a line in the sand w/ the NV, we could have declared victory and be done with it. Congressional Democrats were afraid of having a victory.

[Bigun]

Well, I just learned something today on TBR.

Learned that Walter Cronkite was a Communist.  And that he was responsible for losing the Viet Nam War.


...must be true.  I read it on the internet.     

And you probably still believe Joe McCarthy was all wet as well don't you?

[DCPatriot]

And you probably still believe Joe McCarthy was all wet as well don't you?

No, actually.

When Ann Coulter said that he was an American Hero, I delved into it.   ...outrageous as it sounded.

I was 'taught' that he pointed out Commies everywhere like Donald Sutherland in Night of the Living Dead.

[Cyber Liberty]

See the excerpt from the WSJ article I posted above.

I did.  I wonder what "disillusioned" the writer?  Wasn't watching millions die in the aftermath a sufficient turn of the fellow's stomach?  What came along that was worse?  Maybe a snub at a Hanoi cocktail party....

[Bigun]

Way before my time, but that's how I understood it. We never lost a single battle but our politicians wouldn't support the SVN so there always would be a vacuum that the NV would fight for. We lost because we simply chose not to win. If we had the balls to stand up, support the SVN government as official, and draw a line in the sand w/ the NV, we could have declared victory and be done with it. Congressional Democrats were afraid of having a victory.

@AbaraXas

It started in China when our thoroughly Communist infiltrated State Department cut the legs out from under General Chang in favor of Mao. Then came Korea with Truman firing General MacArthur instead of listening to him.  Next was Cuba with our same Department of State telling us there was nothing at all to fear from installing a Castro government there.  Then came the outright betrayal of the Cuban patriots at the Bay of Pigs.  Now move on to Iran where Jimmuh CAAATA allowed the Mullas to take over the government of Iran.  Nicaragua was next.  And it continues to this very day!

Don't have to take my word for any of it! The FACTS speak for themselves!

[Smokin Joe]

Well, I just learned something today on TBR.

Learned that Walter Cronkite was a Communist.  And that he was responsible for losing the Viet Nam War.


...must be true.  I read it on the internet.     

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/cronkites-vietnam-blunder-7185

I think we can establish a series of events which emboldened Communist leadership, contributed to the momentum of the anti-war movement, and altered policy because of that.
Cronkite was piped into a lot of living rooms in the US, and his remarks affected the way people viewed the war. He classified it as "unwinnable" in the midst of the growing antiwar movement. That propaganda victory overshadowed the military victory that was the result of the Tet Offensive.

That, in turn, resulted in altered policy, and the Democrat desire to leave Vietnam contributed heavily to the political climate that had people from the same Party in Congress which had escalated the war in the first place pull the military support rug from under the South Vietnamese, leaving the NVA to walk in virtually unopposed.

[Smokin Joe]

@AbaraXas

It started in China when our State Department cut the legs out from under General Chang in favor of Mao. Then came Korea with Truman firing General MacArthur instead of listening to him.  Next was Cuba with our same Department of State telling us there was nothing at all to fear from installing a Castro government there.  Then came the outright betrayal of the Cuban patriots at the Bay of Pigs.  Now move on to Iran where Jimmuh CAAATA allowed the Mullas to take over the government of Iran.  Nicaragua was next.  And it continues to this very day!

Don't have to take my word for any of it! The FACTS speak for themselves!

SPOT ON! (you only left out Hillary and Barrack's fabulous "Arab Spring" overthrowing governments in the Islamic world so the MB affiliates could take over and the formation of IS)