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« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2017, 03:01:00 am »
Yep, but some of them handle wills and probate, others title searches for real estate and mineral rights, some handle criminal cases and have nothing to do with torts. Some, like Barack and Michelle Obama don't practice law at all.

Very few. The majority I have encountered have been criminal. And William Shakespeare was right about the lawyers.(Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2)
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2017, 03:04:34 am »
Very few. The majority I have encountered have been criminal. And William Shakespeare was right about the lawyers.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #27 on: October 22, 2017, 03:07:01 am »
:beer: (Just think of how much we would have saved in legal fees!)

The legal system is bleeding us dry.I am willing to bet some of their cronies have targeted this site(and others) from time to time for copyright. I wonder how much the owners have to pay in legal fees.
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« Reply #28 on: October 22, 2017, 03:14:51 am »
Very few. The majority I have encountered have been criminal. And William Shakespeare was right about the lawyers.(Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2)

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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #29 on: October 22, 2017, 03:16:46 am »
They want to be millionares overnight. First they shop around, then they get bottom feeding lawyers who want a piece of that pie. The company wants to settle because of the "bad pr" it brings and its cheaper to settle it than bring it to court. The guy who sued me was represented by a bottom feeder. I took it to court and it was discovered that he was a chronically arrested and deported. He ended back in Mexico when it was all over.

And unfortunately was probably back in this country before the bus that drove him to Mexico made the return trip.....
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2017, 03:20:45 am »
What an uppity bitch. Love you calling shit out.

I like for information to be accurate.  If I'm going to have an opinion that's not even worth the price of a too hot cup of coffee it can at least be based on correct information.

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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2017, 03:22:20 am »
And unfortunately was probably back in this country before the bus that drove him to Mexico made the return trip.....

Yes. He probably was back the next day. But now he has a record. He wrecked my car that I had bought two weeks earlier. He had the gall that it was my fault. I had to spend $10,000 in legal fees.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2017, 03:28:22 am »
Yes. He probably was back the next day. But now he has a record. He wrecked my car that I had baught two weeks earlier. He had the gall that it was my fault. I had to spend $10,000 in legal fees.

That really stinks.  I'm sorry. Sometimes it feels like there is no justice.
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2017, 03:29:23 am »
That really stinks.  I'm sorry. Sometimes it feels like there is no justice.

My justice was knowing that ICE picked him up and threw him out of this country.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2017, 03:35:47 am »
My justice was knowing that ICE picked him up and threw him out of this country.

What also irks me, is that when we was exchanging information he was speaking perfect English. At the hearings, he suddenly needed the aid of a Spanish interpreter.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2017, 03:39:42 am »
.Over 70% of the worlds lawyers live in the U.S.
 
The U.S. has over 900,000 lawyers !
 
That�s one lawyer for every 300 Americans.
 
Washington D.C. boasts 1 lawyer for every 22 people!
 
Number of Law Students Enrolled :� 125,000
 
Number of New Lawyers every year : 40,000

They have no morals exept to the Almighty Buck!! I thank God every day by showing that guy by having his butt thrown out of the country.

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I worked for attorneys for 35 years.  Yes, there are quite a few of them who are what you call "bottom feeders."  But the vast majority of those I've encountered are decent, hard working guys and gals who only want what's best for their client and are representing them to the best of their ability under the law.  Unfortunately, the shysters are the ones who give the rest of the attorneys a bad name.  They are the ones we hear about, while the decent attorneys do their job quietly. 

Yes, we do have plenty of lawyers,  but believe it or not, there are actually fewer than there were many years ago when I was a young pup.  At one time, the legal profession was considered recession proof.  Large corporations employed huge legal staffs plus numerous outside firms to do their legal work.  Not anymore.  Many of those corporations folded and the ones which remain have trimmed their legal staffs considerably.  If they do hire an outside firm, it's usually one  of those mega-firms with offices all over the world, as opposed to hiring numerous firms in each city, state or country.  Meanwhile, law schools were still recruiting more and more students, even though the market for lawyers has faded away considerably.   Many of today's graduates  either practice solo (not easy to do) or they end up working in another field.

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« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2017, 03:40:58 am »
I worked for attorneys for 35 years.  Yes, there are quite a few of them who are what you call "bottom feeders."  But the vast majority of those I've encountered are decent, hard working guys and gals who only want what's best for their client and are representing them to the best of their ability under the law.  Unfortunately, the shysters are the ones who give the rest of the attorneys a bad name.  They are the ones we hear about, while the decent attorneys do their job quietly. 

Yes, we do have plenty of lawyers,  but believe it or not, there are actually fewer than there were many years ago when I was a young pup.  At one time, the legal profession was considered recession proof.  Large corporations employed huge legal staffs plus numerous outside firms to do their legal work.  Not anymore.  Many of those corporations folded and the ones which remain have trimmed their legal staffs considerably.  If they do hire an outside firm, it's usually one  of those mega-firms with offices all over the world, as opposed to hiring numerous firms in each city, state or country.  Meanwhile, law schools were still recruiting more and more students, even though the market for lawyers has faded away considerably.   Many of today's graduates  either practice solo (not easy to do) or they end up working in another field.

Every attorney I have encountered wanted one thing: $$$$$$$  They work for a firm for a while get their experience and open their own fiirms. They are a cancer on American society. Then they look on how to get more money. That is why no one trusts lawyers.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #38 on: October 22, 2017, 03:41:15 am »
My justice was knowing that ICE picked him up and threw him out of this country.

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« Reply #39 on: October 22, 2017, 03:44:16 am »
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The day they threw his butt out, I bought the entire bar two rounds of drinks.
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« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2017, 03:47:42 am »
The day they threw his butt out, I bought the entire bar two rounds of drinks.

LOL.  Love it.

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« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2017, 03:55:49 am »
Yes its good to have a lawyer but when we have most the lawyers in the industrialized world there is a problem. I went to the local courthouse to get a ticket fixed, I had tons of lawyers handing out their cards. I walked out with 20 cards from lawyers from the courthouse. If you need a lawyer, you can't get a decent one because of the prices.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2017, 03:59:26 am »
Every attorney I have encountered wanted one thing: $$$$$$$  They work for a firm for a while get their experience and open their own fiirms. They are a cancer on American society. Then they look on how to get more money. That is why no one trusts lawyers.

A lot of attorneys end up leaving because they can't cut it at a large firm.  I once was assigned to an attorney who got the job only because he was married to the daughter of the CEO of the firm's biggest client.  He had graduated in the bottom third of his class at some no-name law school and couldn't find a job otherwise.  Of course, he was an awful attorney -- lazy and incompetent.  At one point, he even asked me to do something that could conceivably had gotten me into trouble for practicing law without a license.  Of course, I told him no.  Eventually, even the big bosses who hired him had to let him go.  Last I heard, he was practicing criminal law solo in a crumbling building in the bad part of town.  I also believe he is no longer married to the CEO's daughter. 

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« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2017, 04:00:36 am »
LOL.  Love it.

You need to remember the people who write the laws are lawyers. They are not ordinary citizens. They are the firms who write the laws.
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« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2017, 04:02:40 am »
A lot of attorneys end up leaving because they can't cut it at a large firm.  I once was assigned to an attorney who got the job only because he was married to the daughter of the CEO of the firm's biggest client.  He had graduated in the bottom third of his class at some no-name law school and couldn't find a job otherwise.  Of course, he was an awful attorney -- lazy and incompetent.  At one point, he even asked me to do something that could conceivably had gotten me into trouble for practicing law without a license.  Of course, I told him no.  Eventually, even the big bosses who hired him had to let him go.  Last I heard, he was practicing criminal law solo in a crumbling building in the bad part of town.  I also believe he is no longer married to the CEO's daughter.

Excellent Point. When you graduate from the bottom third thats a huge red flag. Thank God we have laws that we can fire a incompetent lawyer.
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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2017, 04:03:59 am »
I have to question how the powder or any mineral contaminant therein went against the natural flow to get that far upstream, anyway.

Then it has to be the cause of the cancer.

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Obviously, the mind goes to the way tremolite is causing mesothelioma as a direct irritant.  But don't assume that's the mechanism.  Many cancers can develop in quite weird ways, with some inhalation carcinogens not causing lung cancer, but oddly causing bladder cancer, for example.

There's a possibility talcum powder, whether tremolite-containing or not, on external genitalia could trigger some hormonal changes, for example (perhaps by artificially irritating or drying tissues).  This is purely hypothetical -- my point is that biochemical effects aren't necessarily direct.

All that being said, I'm glad this was tossed.  There wasn't nearly enough evidence available to demonstrate the alleged link.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2017, 04:16:48 am »
@Smokin Joe

Obviously, the mind goes to the way tremolite is causing mesothelioma as a direct irritant.  But don't assume that's the mechanism.  Many cancers can develop in quite weird ways, with some inhalation carcinogens not causing lung cancer, but oddly causing bladder cancer, for example.

There's a possibility talcum powder, whether tremolite-containing or not, on external genitalia could trigger some hormonal changes, for example (perhaps by artificially irritating or drying tissues).  This is purely hypothetical -- my point is that biochemical effects aren't necessarily direct.

All that being said, I'm glad this was tossed.  There wasn't nearly enough evidence available to demonstrate the alleged link.
I can see metabolites or pass-through carcinogens causing the requisite biochemical changes, but have difficulty with inert (unabsorbed, nonmetabolized) substances causing biochemical effects without direct contact. In this instance, direct contact would require a level of insertion that is beyond what I would think would be 'normal' use.

If you run across anything to the contrary, though, please ping me and link it. I'm willing to read it.
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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2017, 10:29:26 am »
We have 1.22 million lawyers in America. To me, that is 1.22 million bottom feeders.Over 70% of the worlds lawyers live in the U.S.
 
The U.S. has over 900,000 lawyers !
 
That�s one lawyer for every 300 Americans.
 
Washington D.C. boasts 1 lawyer for every 22 people!
 
Number of Law Students Enrolled :� 125,000
 
Number of New Lawyers every year : 40,000



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Look in any Yellow Pages phone book. The category by far with the most big ads, page after page of them, is lawyers.

Daytime TV...perhaps around 1 out of 4 ads is for lawyers wishing to attract clients so they can extort more money from the legal system from defendants with deep pockets.

Doesn't our society see something inherently wrong with all this? Society is rewarding parasites rather than producers.

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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2017, 10:39:24 am »
I guess I'll put it this way. In the event someone's negligence causes me injury, I will want to be compensated. Not made into an overnight millionaire, but compensated justly. So, eliminating the right to bring civil suit or for the court to set compensation on a case by case basis is not something I want to do.

But the basic formula is this:

There has to be injury. No injury, no money, burden of proof on the accuser.

The use or consumption or some other attribute (usually a material, design, or workmanship flaw) of the product has to be the cause of the injury.

Ideally, the company or person whose actions caused the injury has to be aware that the product or action could be reasonably anticipated to cause injury by virtue of inherent danger, negligence, or faulty design or construction of the product. However that awareness may not have to be present.

Unfortunately, there no longer has to be an expectation that people will have enough common sense to not be injured by using a product incorrectly. (That's why there are pages of instruction manuals which say things like "Do not use this electric hair dryer while showering." and "Do not run over living things with your lawnmower, serious injury or death may result.", because such admonitions are an affirmative defense against being sued over the unfathomable ability of consumers to do stupid things with products.)

However, now the company has to have failed to anticipate the way the consumer would misuse the product no matter how stupid, and warn against doing so.

That has shifted the burden to the producer (another reason for offshoring manufacturing to subsidiary or foreign firms). So we don't just pay for it as consumers, we pay for it as producers, too, by the loss of jobs.

<<< In the event someone's negligence causes me injury, I will want to be compensated. >>>

I don't think anyone would disagree with that. I'm not a lawyer, certainly I don't wish to be one, but my understanding is that unless the lawsuit is considered to be frivolous, then a winning defendant rarely if ever can collect attorney fees from the losing plaintiff. And it is very hard to get a lawsuit to be considered frivolous.

Everyone should and is entitled to their day in court if need be. Nobody is disputing that if they have a legitimate case. But if they don't, both plaintiff AND the plaintiff's lawyer need to be held financially liable for wasting the defendant's time and money.

I think this simple rule would eliminate most actually frivolous lawsuits, and rein in lawyers which in today's litigious society, lawyers are rampantly out of control.

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Re: Judge tosses $417M award against Johnson& Johnson
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2017, 12:02:55 pm »
Talcum Powder has been used for centuries. This was just a frivolous lawsuit by a person who is trying to score big bucks. This goes right up there with the person who sued McDonalds because the coffee was too hot when it spilled on her.

Google the images of her burns. The jury decided the sum, and it was based on two days' savings that McDonalds had by keeping their coffee at 190 or above. The woman burned just wanted her medical bills taken care of.
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