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Could San Francisco Get the Oil Industry to Pay for Climate Change?
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When a raindrop falls in San Francisco, it has two choices: flow east into the San Francisco Bay, or west into the Pacific Ocean. A ridgeline divides the city into two, slicing through the Presidio, hugging the eastern edge of Golden Gate Park, and skirting Twin Peaks. As the land drops off in either direction, the elevation difference doesn’t just drive raindrops downhill—it also moves human waste. San Francisco, unlike any other coastal city in California, has just one set of pipes for its storm runoff and sewage. First engineered more than a hundred years ago, the system still functions on the same basic principle as it did in 1890: Let gravity do the work.


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Re: Could San Francisco Get the Oil Industry to Pay for Climate Change?
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2017, 09:45:48 am »
They'd have to prove the oil companies caused a problem that would not have existed otherwise.

Much of this 'problem' is predicated on model predictions of climate change, something proven time and again to be profoundly inaccurate as a prediction device, and models which appear to be flawed, amidst doctored data which have been 'adjusted' to show higher temperatures. The combined effect of adjusted data and flawed models is to yield predictions of change, but a century or more in the future. A preemptive suit for damages which may not ever be realized?

Take that precedent to the ambulance-chaser level, and any driver could sue any other, predicated on the possibility of a future accident.

In short: there is no proof of climate change that can be attributed solely to these oil companies, in fact, if the models were correct (an assertion I will NOT make), other energy sources might have released far more of the very gasses being blamed for what temperature and /or sea level rise. Sea level change can be accounted for by natural mechanisms, if it turns out the sea went up and the land did not go down.

Did the sea level rise or the city sink? In an area which has been subjected to high seismicity and has areas prone to liquefaction, has any study been done to ascertain whether the problems are compounded by or exist solely as a result of earthquake activity and tectonic alteration of topography and bathymetry? How about aquifer drainage, what effect has that had on elevations? Have other coastal cities dropped in elevation relative to mean sea level and what mechanisms might be causing that, aside from the assertion by folks who have failed to predict long term climate changes so far that this time, they have it right, not just right, mind you, but so right they want to extract money from the pockets of every motorist using these models as a justification.

What are the contributions to sea level changes of calving glaciers, constructed islands from Dubai to the Spratleys, and tectonic events such as the displacement of the Boxing Day Earthquake or the one which wrecked Fukushima? How has submarine volcanic activity altered the capacity of the ocean basins, especially in areas where new oceanic plate is formed on an ongoing basis? What proof that any documented change is the result of climate and not other factors? What part does the sediment load transferred to those ocean basins through landmass erosion play in seal level change? Surely, all these factors alter the capacity of the ocean basins. Maybe climate is not at fault, after all.

Lastly, should the suit find a sympathetic (if unscientific) judicial ear, these corporations should immediately cease selling any petroleum products there, and let 'em walk.



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Re: Could San Francisco Get the Oil Industry to Pay for Climate Change?
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2017, 10:55:45 am »
San Francisco should start by banning all petroleum products to show us how sincere they are. I dare them...


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Re: Could San Francisco Get the Oil Industry to Pay for Climate Change?
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2017, 02:22:33 pm »
That would certainly accelerate the last major oil company HQ in CA, namely Chevron, to move to more friendly environs.

The last big oil company that left was Occidental that not only moved to Houston but spun off 100% of its California assets.  It knew it would be ahead in the game.
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Re: Could San Francisco Get the Oil Industry to Pay for Climate Change?
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2017, 08:07:18 am »
San Francisco should start by banning all petroleum products to show us how sincere they are. I dare them...
That would be a real pain in the asp for them!