Trump: There is no such thing as ObamaCare anymore

[RoosGirl]

We're ignoring you.  :)

I know, and I'm totally pouting about it.

[Frank Cannon]

I know, and I'm totally pouting about it.

Don't feel too bad. I'm still stalking you so you got that going for you.

[RoosGirl]

Don't feel too bad. I'm still stalking you so you got that going for you.

fanfreakintastic

[Meldrew]

Now you are touching on something I harp about constantly.   It seems nobody has a grasp of the concept "cost vs benefit"  anymore.   


Especially people who spend government money.

Careful with that. Ezekiel Emanuel has a concept of cost v benefit. 

[bolobaby]

Oh... well... Julius Orangeus SAYS it's dead, so it's dead, I guess.

Can't be the leader Congress needs to pass the legislation necessary to actually kill it, so - instead - we'll just play the "See No Evil" monkeys and the Trumpettes will eat it right up! Pathetic.

[Silver Pines]

My question has been up for 6 hours and no one has answered.  Does this mean I will no longer be penalized for not having health insurance?  Can I use Trump's statement as a defense if I am penalized?

@RoosGirl

Yes, you are correct on all counts.

It also means that my online friend in California, who has severe endometriosis and no health insurance, is wrong when she says she's waiting for November 1st's Obamacare open enrollment so she can sign up.  She must be mistaken; can't sign up for something that doesn't exist.

[Frank Cannon]

@RoosGirl

Yes, you are correct on all counts.

It also means that my online friend in California, who has severe endometriosis and no health insurance, is wrong when she says she's waiting for November 1st's Obamacare open enrollment so she can sign up.  She must be mistaken; can't sign up for something that doesn't exist.

If anyone bothers keeping up with tax law like I do, they would know that Line 61 is now OPTIONAL on Federal tax returns.

Thank you President Trump.

[Concerned]

My question has been up for 6 hours and no one has answered.  Does this mean I will no longer be penalized for not having health insurance?  Can I use Trump's statement as a defense if I am penalized?

Of course the Trump supporters don’t want to answer your question because it would contradict their talking points of all of Trump’s supposed “winning”.   The penalties are still in place, as is the website. As is often the case, the devil is in the details and certainly Trump (plus many of his supporters) apparently don’t want to address the details because they contradict the President’s ramblings.  I’ll believe ObamaCare is truly gone when people are no longer penalized for not having healthcare.

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

Yes, you are correct on all counts.

It also means that my online friend in California, who has severe endometriosis and no health insurance, is wrong when she says she's waiting for November 1st's Obamacare open enrollment so she can sign up.  She must be mistaken; can't sign up for something that doesn't exist.

Yeah, this is the thing I can't stand about Trump; there's the truth, and then there's what he says and many times the two things are not the same.  And it's left up to "us" to determine which one is correct. 

[libertybele]

Of course the Trump supporters don’t want to answer your question because it would contradict their talking points of all of Trump’s supposed “winning”.   The penalties are still in place, as is the website. As is often the case, the devil is in the details and certainly Trump (plus many of his supporters) apparently don’t want to address the details because they contradict the President’s ramblings.  I’ll believe ObamaCare is truly gone when people are no longer penalized for not having healthcare.

Do you know for a fact that the penalties are still in place??  Do you have a link??

[RoosGirl]

If anyone bothers keeping up with tax law like I do, they would know that Line 61 is now OPTIONAL on Federal tax returns.

Thank you President Trump.

When did this change?

[RoosGirl]

If anyone bothers keeping up with tax law like I do, they would know that Line 61 is now OPTIONAL on Federal tax returns.

Thank you President Trump.

I would like to see that form because the one currently listed on the IRS website is for 2016, not 2017, for the generic 1040.

[Concerned]

Do you know for a fact that the penalties are still in place??  Do you have a link??

https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/penalty/

https://www.healthcare.gov/fees/fee-for-not-being-covered/

Lots of information on www.healthcare.gov which seems to indicate the program is still in place.

[jpsb]

Now he'll get the blame for every little thing that goes wrong with healthcare.

You liked Obamacare and wanted to keep it?

[The_Reader_David]

You actually think he doesn't care?

So if they start blaming him for everything, he'll just let it run off and won't respond?!

Of course he'll respond, with a tweet-storm, and then move on.  Not as classy as the way W showed he didn't care, but perhaps more effective politically.

The Fathers of the Church had a saying that there are only two ways to disregard the opinions of men:  perfect pride and perfect humility. In light of which saying, I think we should be glad Trump cares enough to respond with a tweet-storm.

[RoosGirl]

You liked Obamacare and wanted to keep it?

 

Yes, just like he wanted Hillary to win.

[libertybele]

Yeah, this is the thing I can't stand about Trump; there's the truth, and then there's what he says and many times the two things are not the same.  And it's left up to "us" to determine which one is correct.

It is frustrating and certainly misleading. Unless the website is completely shutdown and there is no open enrollment period, then I'm not sure why he's making such a statement;  his words are applicable to the fact that the old parameters surrounding Bammycare are different than a year ago.  Many of the regulations surrounding Bammycare have supposedly been gutted. I don't have an answer other than to what I've read and been told; many of the exchanges have collapsed and are no longer an option, BUT his recent executive order allows  government agencies to make new rules that would allow more Americans to sign up for cheaper, less-regulated health plans and individuals to purchase insurance across state lines.

[The_Reader_David]

Of course, the truth or falsity of Trump's assertion turns on what you regard as the defining features of Obamcare.  If illegal and unconstitutional subsidies to insurance companies or a no-conscience-clause contraceptive mandate are essential features of Obamacare, then indeed, it no longer exists.

[jpsb]

Yes, just like he wanted Hillary to win.

@RoosGirl

I knew he wanted that! Thanks for confirming it.

FYI I enjoy your posts almost as much as Franks'

[RoosGirl]

It is frustrating and certainly misleading. Unless the website is completely shutdown and there is no open enrollment period, then I'm not sure why he's making such a statement;  his words are applicable to the fact that the old parameters surrounding Bammycare are different than a year ago.  Many of the regulations surrounding Bammycare have supposedly been gutted. I don't have an answer other than to what I've read and been told; many of the exchanges have collapsed and are no longer an option, BUT his recent executive order allows  government agencies to make new rules that would allow more Americans to sign up for cheaper, less-regulated health plans and individuals to purchase insurance across state lines.

I am aware, but like others above have pointed out, until I have proof that there's no penalty anymore for not having insurance I will say that Trump is lying through his teeth about this.  Now, maybe that wasn't his intention, but that is the result.

[RoosGirl]

@RoosGirl

I knew he wanted that! Thanks for confirming it.

FYI I enjoy your posts almost as much as Franks'

Hey, maybe we could talk about whether Ted Cruz was NBC or not also? Wouldn't that be a fun conversation?


Added: @jpsb You should join in our fun. The more the merrier, and helps with a little camaraderie among the members.  Note that Frank and I disagree on everything, but he still worships me.

[Concerned]

It is frustrating and certainly misleading. Unless the website is completely shutdown and there is no open enrollment period, then I'm not sure why he's making such a statement;  his words are applicable to the fact that the old parameters surrounding Bammycare are different than a year ago.  Many of the regulations surrounding Bammycare have supposedly been gutted. I don't have an answer other than to what I've read and been told; many of the exchanges have collapsed and are no longer an option, BUT his recent executive order allows  government agencies to make new rules that would allow more Americans to sign up for cheaper, less-regulated health plans and individuals to purchase insurance across state lines.

That’s a big problem many of us have with this President:  he lies, tells misleading statements, and makes false statements so often it’s hard to tell was he just mistaken; was he intentionally misleading; or was he just wrong?  There’s no way to tell with this President because he “misspeaks” (and I’m being kind) so often and often refuses to clearly to admit when he does.  Many logical folks (like me), who believe words still have meaning, just scratch their head in utter confusion.

[jpsb]

Hey, maybe we could talk about whether Ted Cruz was NBC or not also? Wouldn't that be a fun conversation?


Added: @jpsb You should join in our fun. The more the merrier, and helps with a little camaraderie among the members.  Note that Frank and I disagree on everything, but he still worships me.

Some other day perhaps, you and @Frank Cannon both have really hot avatars. Plus you're both interesting to read.

[Meldrew]

That’s a big problem many of us have with this President:  he lies, tells misleading statements, and makes false statements so often it’s hard to tell was he just mistaken; was he intentionally misleading; or was he just wrong?  There’s no way to tell with this President because he “misspeaks” (and I’m being kind) so often and often refuses to clearly to admit when he does.  Many logical folks (like me), who believe words still have meaning, just scratch their head in utter confusion.

Like many here, I've commented on that too and find it probably my biggest obstacle to feeling confident in our president.  I'm sure someone will be along shortly to translate for us precisely what he meant then chastise us for not being wise enough in the ways of 4 dimensional chess to understand.  So it goes.

[libertybele]

I am aware, but like others above have pointed out, until I have proof that there's no penalty anymore for not having insurance I will say that Trump is lying through his teeth about this.  Now, maybe that wasn't his intention, but that is the result.

Good grief ... you should know better than to call him a liar!  The only one that lies is Ted!  Obviously what Trumps says and what he means could be two different things (still). Someone posted a link providing info that the penalties are still in existence. I myself went to the website to see for myself if there was an enrollment period still available ... maybe I was mistaken and just went into a pretend website that has Obamacare that doesn't exist.