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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #100 on: October 14, 2017, 11:27:19 pm »
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #101 on: October 14, 2017, 11:34:20 pm »
Wow.  Great story.  This tyranny by the education folks is one reason I am so glad Trump appointed Betsy DeVos.  The left absolutely despises her.

Did I mention he was terribly crippled by Polio?  He was.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #102 on: October 14, 2017, 11:35:25 pm »
 
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #103 on: October 14, 2017, 11:39:39 pm »
If you have issue with what I say, you can address me. Kindly let me know what emotionally established governments have fared well, historically. As for the emotionalism, I believe I not only am not the first to recognize it, but there are even others who seek to capitalize on it.
This ad caught my attention on television. I assure you it is a genuine advertisement, and it is presented here as proof of what I just stated, because it seeks to tap that fervor for just two easy payments of $19.95, plus shipping and handling.
 
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OMG.  Now I have to go back, oh, wait,  I remember.  You were referring to Trump voters in a disparaging manner, claiming that they were voting with emotion and not with reason.

I think that is a way over-reach.  Yes, some people really feel an emotional fervor for Trump, which I don't understand.  But a LOT of people voted for him.

I would have voted for him even thought I bitterly opposed him all through the primaries.  It would not have been an emotional decision but a common sense one.

We could not have afforded Hillary.  She would have completed Obama's job of ruining the nation.

I would not let Trump hate prevent me from making rational decisions.  I was for him because I wanted someone not named Hillary.  Even if he had done nothing but been a place holder, we would have been better off.

But he has been much better than I expected.  You can nitpick that original list posted here and we certainly haven't got much of what we want but we've got a lot.  I think we can all agree that a big reason we haven't gotten some things is Congress, not the President.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #104 on: October 14, 2017, 11:45:32 pm »
He's doing alright.  All I can ask right now.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #105 on: October 14, 2017, 11:46:39 pm »
The premise of this list is like saying Communists are good, because they helped us stop the Nazis.
Or, vice versa. (There were those who said just that prior to and during World War II.)

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.
You took the words right out of my mouth.

But then my animus is against metastasising government, period. Donaldus Minimus's best punctures
against it have been those regulations once imposed by executive order that he reversed. This is good.
Unfortunately, he could reverse every still standing executive order past, and his removal of the regulatory
side of big government would be the equivalent of a microscopic nibble on the corner of a baloney sandwich.
And I have never yet heard him speak clearly, knowingly, and affirmatively athwart big government qua
big government.

Things remain, I fear, big government for me, but not for thee, even as, unfortunately, in too many
places where you expect people on the right to know better, things seem to be free speech for me, but
not for thee
. I stand athwart big government from either the left or the right. ("Conservative"
judges? I'm not interested in "conservative" judges, I'm interested in judges who will construe the Constitution
reasonably---knowing well enough that even "conservative" judges can misconstrue it and have misconstrued
it from time to time.)

p.s. I voted "none of these candidates" last November, with no regret and with no apology. That said, it is
well enough past time to stop leaning upon the old "Would President Hilarious Rodent Clinton have
done this, that, the other thing?" If people will pardon the expression, she lost. (And how!) Get over it. ;)
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #106 on: October 14, 2017, 11:50:35 pm »
I think we can all agree that a big reason we haven't gotten some things is Congress, not the President.
Personally, I think you could lay some in one direction and some in the other direction. But then
I'm not even mildly concerned about "getting things done"---I prefer to wish and hope for getting
things undone, which we are much in need of, ahem, doing. ;)

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #107 on: October 14, 2017, 11:51:31 pm »
Who needs 20?  I joined the fight against the left two decades ago.  Why?  Because I detest commies.  And that sentiment has only grown over those past two decades.... and especially during the eight years of Obamanation.

They have infiltrated and infected every aspect of our lives and every venue of government, media and entertainment.   They're a disease that I much suspect will be fatal to this nation.... given enough time and leniency to their leftist agenda. 

I'll say it again.  As long as Trump stands against the radical left in America, I will stand with or in support of Trump.  (Disclaimer: that does NOT mean that I will approve of his every utterance, EO or twittering tweet, however.)

You nailed it again, @XenaLee.  I hate liberals.  And we are suffering right now because of a residual influence of Obama.  I think he was a racial divider and I place a lot of the blame on him for the racial problems we are seeing now with the football protests, which are total crapola.

The left completely controls the entertainment industry and they tolerate any sort of deviancy as long as it's by a fellow lefty.

I don't know why we have to put a disclaimer on every post in which we give some credit to Trump but, apparently we do or we will be thrown in the pit of worshippers.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #108 on: October 15, 2017, 12:16:55 am »


OMG.  Now I have to go back, oh, wait,  I remember.  You were referring to Trump voters in a disparaging manner, claiming that they were voting with emotion and not with reason.

I think that is a way over-reach.  Yes, some people really feel an emotional fervor for Trump, which I don't understand.  But a LOT of people voted for him.

I would have voted for him even thought I bitterly opposed him all through the primaries.  It would not have been an emotional decision but a common sense one.

We could not have afforded Hillary.  She would have completed Obama's job of ruining the nation.

I would not let Trump hate prevent me from making rational decisions.  I was for him because I wanted someone not named Hillary.
  Even if he had done nothing but been a place holder, we would have been better off.

But he has been much better than I expected.  You can nitpick that original list posted here and we certainly haven't got much of what we want but we've got a lot.  I think we can all agree that a big reason we haven't gotten some things is Congress, not the President.

History can be a real bitch.

I was fairly calm when I was sure Hillary would win.  If Trump has a glimmer of a chance, I won't be calm anymore.  I really would prefer Hillary and the thought of a trump win makes me realize it all the more.

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #109 on: October 15, 2017, 12:23:30 am »
Who needs 20?  I joined the fight against the left two decades ago.  Why?  Because I detest commies.  And that sentiment has only grown over those past two decades.... and especially during the eight years of Obamanation.

They have infiltrated and infected every aspect of our lives and every venue of government, media and entertainment.   They're a disease that I much suspect will be fatal to this nation.... given enough time and leniency to their leftist agenda. 

I'll say it again.  As long as Trump stands against the radical left in America, I will stand with or in support of Trump.  (Disclaimer: that does NOT mean that I will approve of his every utterance, EO or twittering tweet, however.)

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I HEARD that!

After jumping down my own throat every day almost all day for the most infuriating 8 years of my life under the boot of that narcissistic cretin previously infesting the Oval Office I'll salute Trump whenever and wherever he gets it right, and not confuse him with 'The Perfect, Conservative President'.

It isn't Chapter and Verse, by the bullet reminder list of his campaign promises, but he is taking positive steps towards dismantling the Gargantua of the Swamp.

I've previously called our stab him in the back Congress 'that GD Sex Workers Union', which isn't quite right.

They're not the street walkers themselves.

They're the Pimps putting us on a leash to walk the streets/pay the bills for them.

So long as Trump keeps taking the pruning shears to those leashes, being called/thought of as a Trump-Bot is the least of my nits wanting picking with the NR set.

They're welcome to put their sunglasses on and go back to adoring themselves in the mirror no matter how many self aggrandizing See I Told You So's they've already launched while hoping and praying that the next one will be the Final, Impeaching one that proves they're the omniscient, all seeing, all knowing, 2nd coming of Johnny Carson's Karnak they present themselves to be.

Even Reagan said that if he couldn't get everything he wanted he'd take the 70% he could get and go back for the rest later.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #110 on: October 15, 2017, 12:24:07 am »
Personally, I think you could lay some in one direction and some in the other direction. But then
I'm not even mildly concerned about "getting things done"---I prefer to wish and hope for getting
things undone, which we are much in need of, ahem, doing. ;)

Shame you're a Miller girl. I would have offered you nothing but the best . . .



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« Reply #111 on: October 15, 2017, 12:25:02 am »
History can be a real bitch.

@Emjay ... this might come in handy...



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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #112 on: October 15, 2017, 12:26:14 am »
@XenaLee


I HEARD that!

After jumping down my own throat every day almost all day for the most infuriating 8 years of my life under the boot of that narcissistic cretin previously infesting the Oval Office I'll salute Trump whenever and wherever he gets it right, and not confuse him with 'The Perfect, Conservative President'.

It isn't Chapter and Verse, by the bullet reminder list of his campaign promises, but he is taking positive steps towards dismantling the Gargantua of the Swamp.

I've previously called our stab him in the back Congress 'that GD Sex Workers Union', which isn't quite right.

They're not the street walkers themselves.

They're the Pimps putting us on a leash to walk the streets/pay the bills for them.

So long as Trump keeps taking the pruning shears to those leashes, being called/thought of as a Trump-Bot is the least of my nits wanting picking with the NR set.

They're welcome to put their sunglasses on and go back to adoring themselves in the mirror no matter how many self aggrandizing See I Told You So's they've already launched while hoping and praying that the next one will be the Final, Impeaching one that proves they're the omniscient, all seeing, all knowing, 2nd coming of Johnny Carson's Karnak they present themselves to be.

Even Reagan said that if he couldn't get everything he wanted he'd take the 70% he could get and go back for the rest later.

Yes... but.... you do realize, I hope.....

that Reagan never did get that "rest" later.  Never evah gonna happen when you're dealing with or making "deals" with the rats. 
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #113 on: October 15, 2017, 12:35:31 am »


OMG.  Now I have to go back, oh, wait,  I remember.  You were referring to Trump voters in a disparaging manner, claiming that they were voting with emotion and not with reason.

I think that is a way over-reach.  Yes, some people really feel an emotional fervor for Trump, which I don't understand.  But a LOT of people voted for him.

I would have voted for him even thought I bitterly opposed him all through the primaries.  It would not have been an emotional decision but a common sense one.

We could not have afforded Hillary.  She would have completed Obama's job of ruining the nation.

I would not let Trump hate prevent me from making rational decisions.  I was for him because I wanted someone not named Hillary.  Even if he had done nothing but been a place holder, we would have been better off.

But he has been much better than I expected.  You can nitpick that original list posted here and we certainly haven't got much of what we want but we've got a lot.  I think we can all agree that a big reason we haven't gotten some things is Congress, not the President.
There were major emotional drives present in those who supported Trump.

One was the 'getevenism' that has been quite prominent among some of his supporters, even if much of that was misdirected at conservatives.

The whole "MAGA" thing relied on an emotional response. America already is great. We even survived the Obama years. We can be greater, and I'm all for that.

Then there was the flip side, people who voted for Trump out of FEAR that Hillary might win, and of what that would mean for America.

So yes, there was a stew of emotion surrounding people's motivation for voting for Trump. Even in the primaries, the whole "Lyin' Ted" smear campaign was based on emotional responses--look at Ted, and tell me does he look like the type to have seven hot mistresses? He seems to be a snart guy and all that, a Conservative, and sharp on the Constitution, but seven mistresses? Really?
Or that his father was in with Oswald to kill JFK?
Nope to both, not credible, but the emotions played well for making him less likely to get votes in the Bible Belt and New England, respectively, and were well timed to push a bow wave of emotion through those primaries--after which, the allegations died. No coincidence, and masterfully played, but again, relying on emotions, positive and negative, to collect votes.

You don't even have to be a shrink to figure that out.

There may well have been those voters who sat down and figured, without emotion, that Trump would be best for the country. I won't discuss my opinion of their logic because it is moot; he got elected. But I think those are in the minority, frankly, when it comes to what compelled people to vote for the President.
 
The ad I linked plays on emotions, too, rather blatantly, to use as a sales device. Make of that what you will. It is real, and I have seen it on television.

I posted that list of promises here, while it was still fresh, in the spirit of letting Mr. Trump set his own standard to meet. I wasn't holding him to MY standards, which many would have patently considered unfair. I was seeking to get around the animosity of those who did support Mr. Trump who were busy calling those of us who did not anything from "Hillary Supporters" to "traitors" who should be shot. (Seems a mite emotional, to me anyway, and nonsense that could not have been farther form the truth.) So, while you may not have been one who voted based on emotion, there were plenty who did. If, by making that generic statement, you felt I was specifically referring to you personally, I apologize for any undeserved insult.

In many aspects he has done well, especially for the energy industry which was under relentless attack by the Obama administration, and I commend him for progress, and with the aid of Congress, stopping some of the most onerous policies of the Obama EPA from going into effect. That, and all his subsequent accomplishments had no bearing on people's motivation for voting for him, because those things had not been accomplished.

As for the Congress, I remain puzzled as to why the repeals of Obamacare which breezed through when they had no chance of being signed can't be passed now, but I think that particular perfidy rests solely with the Congressional Leadership, as do other measures which must originate with the Congress in order to be made law. Without overreach, Mr. Trump has done well at going around that Congressional roadblock, to the point of removing some of Obama's overreach, which did not require anything more than a pen and phone to remove. If the Congress had remained true to the promises they made on the stump to TEA party types just to get elected, we'd be doing a lot better than we are. As ever, it is readily apparent the Congressional leadership has little or no desire to fulfill those promises, and none to lead the Majority Party to unite behind policy which would do wonders to restore the economic health of the Middle class in America, that of small business, and to liberate people from the yoke of the ACA so they can make their own appropriate health care decisions in a marketplace ripe with options better suited to the needs and beliefs of its customers.
A fine opportunity to reduce the size and scope is being squandered by a few in the Congressional GOP who have emerged as their own special interest group, just one in a position to stymie any alteration to the status quo which is causing this nation and it people grievous harm. (May Almighty God reward them as they so richly deserve.)
All in all, with the exception of the twitter wars and the usual full court press by the liberal media, the president has done fairly well. In some regards, better than I had expected. Trust me when I say that is an unemotional assessment.
However, a great number of those who voted for him voted out of the euphoric attachment to 'their guy' or the abject fear of another Democrat in the White House, and if online posts and articles are any measure, that factored heavily in his electoral victory (present company excluded, of course).
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #114 on: October 15, 2017, 12:36:04 am »
Yes... but.... you do realize, I hope.....

that Reagan never did get that "rest" later.  Never evah gonna happen when you're dealing with or making "deals" with the rats.


Perhaps. However, times have changed.

The Democrat Party today, as a whole, is in a far more dispersed, and weaker position than in Reagan's day.

The mid terms are going to hurt them far worse than 2016 did.

The onus is now on us, the Citizens, to primary our GOP slum lords out.
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« Reply #115 on: October 15, 2017, 12:46:28 am »

Perhaps. However, times have changed.

The Democrat Party today, as a whole, is in a far more dispersed, and weaker position than in Reagan's day.

The mid terms are going to hurt them far worse than 2016 did.

The onus is now on us, the Citizens, to primary our GOP slum lords out.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #116 on: October 15, 2017, 12:49:00 am »
Better yet.....  offer her this (my choice if no Corona is available)....


I'll have to try that, I've never had it before.


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« Reply #117 on: October 15, 2017, 12:57:33 am »
First of all, setting aside unwise campaign rhetoric, we need all conservatives back in this struggle. That includes NTrs and everyone else of good conscience.

Would President Hillary Clinton have;

1. Put Justice Gorsuch on the Supreme Court.
2. Ended DACA and the used it as a bargaining chip for better Border enforcement and a wall.
3. Exited the Paris Agreement.
4. Brought down NAFTA and reset for a new negotiation across the board.it.
5. Ended Obamacare insurance subsidies of over 7 billion dollars.
6. Deeply cut government regulation.
7. Nominated large numbers of Conservative justices to the Federal courts.
8. Decertified the Iran deal.
9. Stood up to NFL players disrespecting the anthem, flag and our national identity.
10. Proposed deep cuts in Corporate tax rates across the board.
11. Proposed deep cuts in taxes for the middle class.
12. Waged war against grotesque liberal media bias.
13. Imposed immigration limits on terror risk nations and fought for them in the courts.
14. Set the Justice Department and the admin to oppose "Sanctuary" cities.
15. Allowed private companies/insurers to NOT provide abortion coverage against their own moral views.
16. Opposed hysterical calls for strong new gun control legislation following the Vegas shooting.
17. Advocated for increased defense spending and revitalization in particular of our decaying naval forces.
18. Supported police and law enforcement at every turn against groups like ANTIFA and BLM.
19. Called consistently for protection of the unborn, and supporting a strict post 20 week ban on abortions.
20. Fought for new legislation, even if congress failed in its part, to repeal Obamacare.

This is just a partial list, but it should make clear to those who like to claim the President is a liberal just like Clinton and/or the Dems in general...and that it matters not between he and Hillary who won the White House. Well, guess what? It matters...and it matters in a YUGE way. Those of us who have supported Trump see all of his flaws, no less than those who consider themselves NT's, but we also see the vast and Conservatively positive differences between himself and Clinton. And while his conservatism may not be as pure as some like, nor his history as devoid of moderate to left associations whilst he was a businessman, this list demonstrates just how strongly he is and has been fighting for conservatism.

I post this for one reason, and one reason only...that those of you who are conservatives but not supporters of the President....and yes, I and nearly all Trump supporters respect your position...will now come around and join with us in what is quickly becoming an existential cultural and ideological struggle for the future of this nation. You are needed, just as we pro Trump folks will be needed down the road when a President Pence or President Cruz are fighting the radical Left. No one asks that anyone set aside their views or halt all critiques of policies and behaviors you disagree with...just that you let the bigger picture of what we face from the Left persuade you get back into the fight FOR an imperfect Republican President.

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We were "needed" in November of last year when it was time to vote.  Trump won, so the burden of doing the work and getting his agenda through is on him.  What are we supposed to do, go to DC and hold his pen for him?

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #119 on: October 15, 2017, 12:59:46 am »

Perhaps. However, times have changed.
 
The Democrat Party today, as a whole, is in a far more dispersed, and weaker position than in Reagan's day.

The mid terms are going to hurt them far worse than 2016 did.

The onus is now on us, the Citizens, to primary our GOP slum lords out.

Well said sir!  I concur!   :beer:
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« Reply #120 on: October 15, 2017, 01:02:05 am »
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We were "needed" in November of last year when it was time to vote.  Trump won, so the burden of doing the work and getting his agenda through is on him.  What are we supposed to do, go to DC and hold his pen for him?

Sending him some help to congress, and the senate in particular,   would be a good thing!
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2017, 01:04:50 am »
Sending him some help to congress, and the senate in particular,   would be a good thing!
Yep. Despite the absence of roll call votes on some of the more salient issues, it's pretty obvious where the obstructions are.
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #122 on: October 15, 2017, 01:05:14 am »
Sending him some help to congress, and the senate in particular,   would be a good thing!

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Repubs were in control last time I checked. 

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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #123 on: October 15, 2017, 01:07:37 am »
@Bigun

Repubs were in control last time I checked.

Just because they have an R behind their nane does NOT make them republican!   
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Re: 20 reasons to join the fight against the Far Left
« Reply #124 on: October 15, 2017, 01:12:02 am »
Just because they have an R behind their nane does NOT make them republican!

Well they certainly are NOT Conservative.  That is for absolute sure.
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