Conservative groups demand McConnell step down as Senate GOP leader

[bilo]

Conservatives have been fighting for the soul of the GOP for a long time, while the moderates have been pimping it out on every corner down K street and beyond.
The bottom line is that these people got support from the TEA party people based on a set of promises that remain unfulfilled, most prominent the repeal (not tinkering with or rebranding of) the ACA. Other examples apply. Too many awsh*ts and not enough 'attaboys'. As for "Republicans" for whom I recall the term RINO being used, (like McCain Collins, Graham, and Murkowski, for starters), who all too consistently vote with the Democrats, replacement is the only option (although in  McCain's case, he might leave office naturally).

 

I wasted a lot years being loyal to the Pub party. I believed we could get incremental conservative change by compromising with the "moderates" in the party. One thing Pres. Trump has gotten me to see is how the loyalty doesn't cut both ways. To heck with the Pubs. I'll vote for conservatives. If the Rats ever run a real conservative I vote for them. I have no party loyalty now.

[Smokin Joe]

I "spew hate" (your words, not mine) at those who react to opposing opinions not by addressing them on the merits but rather ascribing them to a "leftist manual". 

I have for years been loyal to a Republican coalition that includes main street conservatives and moderates,  social conservatives like yourself, libertarians and, lately,  the nativist/isolationist fringies attracted by Donald Trump.  And now all factions are at war with one another - at a time when we have unprecedented control of all branches of government.   We're pissing it all away.  You want the leftists in control again?  Keep it up, you damn fool, keep it up.

You never consider the preferred alternative. The Conservative option.

Those Promises of repealing the ACA? KEEP THEM. 
The promise of reducing the tax burden? KEEP IT.
The promise of reducing crippling regulation? KEEP IT.
If the GOP acts with integrity, it will prevail.
If It does not, then people will stay home and check their preps and and clean their rifles and wait for the S to HTF, because it will--because the GOP will NOT have done its job to keep the promises that got its members elected.
Cut Government (size and scope) cut Spending... et fricking cetera.
Now that it has the majorities of both houses of Congress and the White House, the very things which were so easy to pass when they would be vetoed just aren't getting through, and it is the Moderates who will not have them.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE AND HALF-ASSED MEASURES WON'T CUT IT.
For the average GOP voter, there is little other than habit and fear of the ever convergent Democrat policy to get them to the polls. The difference between the Dems and the GOP is getting thin.
For those of us who have grand kids and great grandkids, if we're going to have CWII, let's get this shit over with while we can still shoot, pack a rifle, and help teach those young 'uns the skills they will need to survive.

Otherwise, it's time to call for question for the GOP: sh*t or get off the pot.

[Jazzhead]

  I have no party loyalty now.

Suit yourself.  The party amplifies the power and influence of its members.   If you won't support the party, you've diminished yourself.   You think that's smart?   

[Jazzhead]

You never consider the preferred alternative. The Conservative option.

Those Promises of repealing the ACA? KEEP THEM. 
The promise of reducing the tax burden? KEEP IT.
The promise of reducing crippling regulation? KEEP IT.
If the GOP acts with integrity, it will prevail.
If It does not, then people will stay home and check their preps and and clean their rifles and wait for the S to HTF, because it will--because the GOP will NOT have done its job to keep the promises that got its members elected.
Cut Government (size and scope) cut Spending... et fricking cetera.
Now that it has the majorities of both houses of Congress and the White House, the very things which were so easy to pass when they would be vetoed just aren't getting through, and it is the Moderates who will not have them.
THERE IS NO EXCUSE AND HALF-ASSED MEASURES WON'T CUT IT.
For the average GOP voter, there is little other than habit and fear of the ever convergent Democrat policy to get them to the polls. The difference between the Dems and the GOP is getting thin.
For those of us who have grand kids and great grandkids, if we're going to have CWII, let's get this shit over with while we can still shoot, pack a rifle, and help teach those young 'uns the skills they will need to survive.

Otherwise, it's time to call for question for the GOP: sh*t or get off the pot.

 

[Smokin Joe]

The GOP these days is one giant clusterphuck,  and the noisiest are asking for McConnell's head because he won't move to end the filibuster that we're going to need when the cold water of reality hits and Chuckie and Nancy are back in control.   

While we may not agree on the source of the situation, I agree the filibuster should not be discarded. If the GOP keeps up its perfidy the Conservatives left in Congress will need the filibuster to have any impact at all.

[Smokin Joe]

Keep rolling your eyes. You stinking moderates are the ones who will cost the GOP its power.

[Bigun]

The only thing one finds in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and dead armadillos!

[Bigun]

I wasted a lot years being loyal to the Pub party. I believed we could get incremental conservative change by compromising with the "moderates" in the party. One thing Pres. Trump has gotten me to see is how the loyalty doesn't cut both ways. To heck with the Pubs. I'll vote for conservatives. If the Rats ever run a real conservative I vote for them. I have no party loyalty now.

You and me both!  I'm done with them!

[Smokin Joe]

Sorry Jazz, but there's only so many layers deep I'm willing to go with a representative republic. In every state I know of, if you win the majority, you control the chamber. There's little the minority can do about it.

There's too much of minority veto power in the US Senate. Blue slips, filibuster, committee maneuvers gives the minority a power they don't deserve because they couldn't win the votes of the American people to control the majority.

That applies to Republicans too. If we can't win, then we take our lumps. I'm a firm believer that if you win the majority, then you should have control, not add 6 more layers of minority veto to shackle the process to a standstill.

But being able to blame the shackles of minority influence enables the GOP in Congress to keep the promises they made down on K Street AND have an excuse to hand the 'rubes' back home. AND they keep their phony baloney jobs!

[Smokin Joe]

Here it is again. It’s all the noisy “extremists” fault, refusing to cooperate with the poor well intentioned moderates.

Well, the failure to shift to the Left seems to be a consistent 'sin' in DC. But they never have to shift Right...

[Jazzhead]

Keep rolling your eyes. You stinking moderates are the ones who will cost the GOP its power.

I won't abandon the ship.  You will. 

[Smokin Joe]

Solidarity requires compromise - for the greater good - on the part of both conservatives and moderates.

So it's about time the moderates compromised with Conservatives instead of running to cater to the Leftists.

[Jazzhead]

Well, the failure to shift to the Left seems to be a consistent 'sin' in DC. But they never have to shift Right...

You want your way or the highway.   Good luck being alone out there in the blue . . .

[Jazzhead]

So it's about time the moderates compromised with Conservatives instead of running to cater to the Leftists.

The most recent ObamaCare reform bill - which would have converted an embedded entitlement for the first time ever into block grants to the states - was killed by Rand Paul, the stupidest man to walk the halls of the Senate.   

[Smokin Joe]

I won't abandon the ship.  You will.

No? Well go down with it then. Your kind put it on the rocks. When you are on the port side of the channel, only steering one point to port instead of two won't put you back in deep water.

[Frank Cannon]

Suit yourself.  The party amplifies the power and influence of its members.   If you won't support the party, you've diminished yourself.   You think that's smart?

You smoking crack? The party has no influence and power. That's why losers like Dent and Corker are leaving even though they are the part in power. They have been exposed for the frauds they are. Ryan and McConnell are universally hated by everyone not because they are powerful and getting things done. They are hated because they are feckless pansies.

[Smokin Joe]

The most recent ObamaCare reform bill - which would have converted an embedded entitlement for the first time ever into block grants to the states - was killed by Rand Paul, the stupidest man to walk the halls of the Senate.

You mean the bill that would have added another layer of bureaucracy to the ACA? The Law we were repeatedly promised would be repealed "root and branch"?

Good. Repeal the damned law. All of it. If I promise to pay you 20 bucks an hour and, come payday, hand you ten, you'd be pissed off, too.

[Frank Cannon]

You mean the bill that would have added another layer of bureaucracy to the ACA? The Law we were repeatedly promised would be repealed "root and branch"?

Good. Repeal the damned law. All of it. If I promise to pay you 20 bucks an hour and, come payday, hand you ten, you'd be pissed off, too.

I'd be happy if they handed me 10. Instead they're handing me a bill for $15. Work privilege tax.

[Free Vulcan]

But being able to blame the shackles of minority influence enables the GOP in Congress to keep the promises they made down on K Street AND have an excuse to hand the 'rubes' back home. AND they keep their phony baloney jobs!

And that's exactly how the game is played. I live in a conservative blue collar Dem county. Our former Democrat state senator for years would vote against his liberal caucus - unless the vote was very close and his vote was needed. He was always so magically reliable that way.

This is being done in reverse. McConnell well knows the Terrible Three are going to peel away and kill anything put out there. Then nothing happens, and they flip the bird at Trump, because the popular girls don't like the new girl that just showed up to jr. high.

The only remedy I know, being that we're only a year away, is to get conservative Republicans nominated and win the general. Get 58+ Reps in the Senate and then let McConnell try and play that game. It will be too glaringly obvious to go thru the whole bill process and than have 10+ senators peel off at the last second. Which they still may try that, or cobble crap legislation, one thing is for sure: you are going to know where things stand real quick. None of this limbo crap like it has been for 9 months.

And if it doesn't go well, you and I know it's time to move to the 100 acres in the woods and build a cabin. We are $20T in debt and cannot afford to raise interest rates. China is soon going to be tying the yuan to oil and gold both, putting pressure on both the dollar and interest rates. We are in a rock and a hard place and I think have no more than 5 years to figure it out, if it's not too late already.

[truth_seeker]

Conservatives have been fighting for the soul of the GOP for a long time, while the moderates have been pimping it out on every corner down K street and beyond.
The bottom line is that these people got support from the TEA party people based on a set of promises that remain unfulfilled, most prominent the repeal (not tinkering with or rebranding of) the ACA.

The FACT is President Trump's agenda is mainly the same as those Tea Party types.

[Smokin Joe]

You want your way or the highway.   Good luck being alone out there in the blue . . .

You might consider that for forty years we have been told just that. "Suck it up"
 "Handle it"
"This is the way it is"
"Be realistic"
"Be reasonable"
"You HAVE to COMPROMISE".

Ever drifting leftward, and even attempting to put things back on course assured we had to give some to get some, which always resulted in another net loss of existing Rights and Liberty.
 
When the GOP has had power it consistently has been a complete failure when it comes to reversing the depredations of the Left. That has been the only thing the GOP has been really good at, with the exception of, once again, selling the idea on the constituency that it is the ONLY alternative to the express trip into the abyss, is being the slow freight of hellbound trains, but still going the same way to the same destination.
 
I have had enough of this crap. I am far from alone.

It is past time for Conservatives to purge the moderates from the GOP ("my way"), or to unite in a different Party ("the highway").

[Sanguine]

And that's exactly how the game is played. I live in a conservative blue collar Dem county. Our former Democrat state senator for years would vote against his liberal caucus - unless the vote was very close and his vote was needed. He was always so magically reliable that way.

This is being done in reverse. McConnell well knows the Terrible Three are going to peel away and kill anything put out there. Then nothing happens, and they flip the bird at Trump, because the popular girls don't like the new girl that just showed up to jr. high.

The only remedy I know, being that we're only a year away, is to get conservative Republicans nominated and win the general. Get 58+ Reps in the Senate and then let McConnell try and play that game. It will be too glaringly obvious to go thru the whole bill process and than have 10+ senators peel off at the last second. Which they still may try that, or cobble crap legislation, one thing is for sure: you are going to know where things stand real quick. None of this limbo crap like it has been for 9 months.

And if it doesn't go well, you and I know it's time to move to the 100 acres in the woods and build a cabin. We are $20T in debt and cannot afford to raise interest rates. China is soon going to be tying the yuan to oil and gold both, putting pressure on both the dollar and interest rates. We are in a rock and a hard place and I think have no more than 5 years to figure it out, if it's not too late already.

It's a game that they're playing and we're the pawns.  The dems move ever leftward, and the Rs, in order to maintain their "moderate" status move leftward too.  As long as they appear slightly to the right of the dems, they are the only option for anyone who is genuinely middle-of-the-road-to-conservative have.  Anyone who sticks their head up over the Beltway barricade as a conservative becomes target practice.  Even amongst the "moderate republicans".

[Smokin Joe]

The FACT is President Trump's agenda is mainly the same as those Tea Party types.

He can't sign it if the Congress doesn't put it on his desk.

[Smokin Joe]

China is soon going to be tying the yuan to oil and gold both, putting pressure on both the dollar and interest rates. We are in a rock and a hard place and I think have no more than 5 years to figure it out, if it's not too late already.

China already has. Let the "petrodollar" lose reserve currency status, and we might as well be Zimbabwe, economically. Get your bank account  in ones for maximum utility, because a buck will be far cheaper than Charmin.

[Jazzhead]

You mean the bill that would have added another layer of bureaucracy to the ACA?

No, the bill that would have converted the ACA into something consistent with conservative notions of Constitutional federalism, and let the states innovate and decide how to design an insurance market that works for their citizens. 

The "root and branch" repeal you demand is a fantasy.  There is no majority for it, because the reality is that millions benefit from ObamaCare.  Incremental change - in a conservative direction - is better than no change at all.   You may not like it, but reality bites.