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Offline DemolitionMan

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A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« on: October 05, 2017, 03:32:40 am »
Dave Majumdar

Simply put, if Russia were faced with a large-scale attack that could defeat its conventional forces, Moscow might resort to nuclear weapons.

While a recent RAND Corporation study concluded that Russia could overrun NATO’s member states Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania in the Baltics within sixty hours, the war games did not simulate the use of nuclear weapons. If, however, a war were to breakout between NATO and Russia, nuclear weapons would certainly come into play—especially if the conflict were going poorly for Moscow.
Unlike the Soviet Union, which had a stated “no first use” policy, modern Russia explicitly rejected that pledge in 1993. In fact, as Moscow’s conventional forces continued to atrophy during the economic and social meltdown of the 1990s, Russia developed a doctrine called de-escalation in 2000. Simply put, if Russia were faced with a large-scale attack that could defeat its conventional forces, Moscow might resort to nuclear weapons. In 2010, Russia revised the doctrine somewhat as its conventional forces started to recover from the aftermath of the Soviet collapse—the current version states Moscow would use nuclear weapons in situations “that would put in danger the very existence of the state.”

While the RAND study shows that Russia would be able to take the Baltics fairly easily, the war game didn’t explore what would happen in the event of a NATO counter offensive. The RAND study simply states:

Such a rapid defeat would leave NATO with a limited number of options, all bad: a bloody counteroffensive, fraught with escalatory risk, to liberate the Baltics; to escalate itself, as it threatened to do to avert defeat during the Cold War; or to concede at least temporary defeat, with uncertain but predictably disastrous consequences for the Alliance and, not incidentally, the people of the Baltics.

A NATO counter-offensive would be bloody and fraught with escalatory risk—but it’s one of the probable outcomes of a Russian invasion. In that eventuality, Russian conventional forces—of which only a portion are well trained and well equipped—would likely be severely damaged or even destroyed. Moreover, if NATO forces hit targets inside Russia or crossed over into Russian territory, Moscow might conclude that there is a danger to the existence of the state. After all, Moscow has expressed concerns in the past that regime change by the West is an all too real danger. In that situation, Russia might counter advancing NATO forces with its arsenal of tactical nuclear weapons.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/war-russia-would-go-nuclear-heres-why-22202
"Of Arms and Man I Sing"-The Aenid written by Virgil-Virgil commenced his epic story of Aeneas and the founding of Rome with the words: Arma virumque cano--"Of arms and man I sing.Aeneas receives full treatment in Roman mythology, most extensively in Virgil's Aeneid, where he is an ancestor of Romulus and Remus. He became the first true hero of Rome

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Re: A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2017, 03:48:58 am »
First off, who gives a royal rats ass what this Dave nobody has to say about shit. His resume is thin except for bragging he has pieces published in The Daily Beast. Secondly this sentence stuck out like a sore thumb from this nitwittery.....

This article originally appeared last year but is being reprinted due to reader interest.

Interesting. We have had a YEAR to see if any of this nuke porn was even remotely going to come true. Looks like not a GD word of it came true. Putin didn't magically turn around his shitty economy. He hasn't made moves of any consequence on the mentioned NATO countries. For crying out loud Soviet companies are collapsing at a record rate because Putin is running such a shitshow....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/09/28/all-of-a-sudden-russian-private-companies-falling-to-pieces/#3eb4226a7e7f

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Re: A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 03:52:33 am »
First off, who gives a royal rats ass what this Dave nobody has to say about shit. His resume is thin except for bragging he has pieces published in The Daily Beast. Secondly this sentence stuck out like a sore thumb from this nitwittery.....

This article originally appeared last year but is being reprinted due to reader interest.

Interesting. We have had a YEAR to see if any of this nuke porn was even remotely going to come true. Looks like not a GD word of it came true. Putin didn't magically turn around his shitty economy. He hasn't made moves of any consequence on the mentioned NATO countries. For crying out loud Soviet companies are collapsing at a record rate because Putin is running such a shitshow....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/09/28/all-of-a-sudden-russian-private-companies-falling-to-pieces/#3eb4226a7e7f

It was not published here
"Of Arms and Man I Sing"-The Aenid written by Virgil-Virgil commenced his epic story of Aeneas and the founding of Rome with the words: Arma virumque cano--"Of arms and man I sing.Aeneas receives full treatment in Roman mythology, most extensively in Virgil's Aeneid, where he is an ancestor of Romulus and Remus. He became the first true hero of Rome

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Re: A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2017, 03:57:51 am »
It was not published here

What the hell does that have to do with anything? You posted it here from National Interest because you thought it was of some import and I fully destroyed the premise and the writer with logic and facts. The Nuke threat in the world is not the Soviets. It's the Norks. To think otherwise means ones tinfoil is wrapped too tightly around their heads.

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Re: A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2017, 04:00:25 am »
What the hell does that have to do with anything? You posted it here from National Interest because you thought it was of some import and I fully destroyed the premise and the writer with logic and facts. The Nuke threat in the world is not the Soviets. It's the Norks. To think otherwise means ones tinfoil is wrapped too tightly around their heads.

The last time I checked Russia and the United States have missiles pointed at each other.
"Of Arms and Man I Sing"-The Aenid written by Virgil-Virgil commenced his epic story of Aeneas and the founding of Rome with the words: Arma virumque cano--"Of arms and man I sing.Aeneas receives full treatment in Roman mythology, most extensively in Virgil's Aeneid, where he is an ancestor of Romulus and Remus. He became the first true hero of Rome

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Re: A War with Russia Would Go Nuclear. Here's Why.
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2017, 04:17:38 am »
The last time I checked Russia and the United States have missiles pointed at each other.

Yeah, and how long have they been pointing at each other? A very long time. Nothing has happened. Know why? Because nothing has changed. Putin is a tin horn dictator pretending his house of cards is a mansion. He has an economy failing. He has no money to play with because oil revenues dried up years ago. Even with Venezuela off line and a pact with OPEC the stupid Soviets are still having trouble propping up prices. Major businesses that Putin's Oligarchs control are going belly up. They have a staggering population growth problem because the population is nothing but lazy drunks. It's so bad they have national eff days in hopes someone gets pregnant.

Where is the pivot point over the last couple years to show that we are anywhere near a hot war with these stupid azzholes?