Report: General Kelly Pulled Off Air Force One Flight to Las Vegas, May Resign This Week

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

That's what i've been reading as well.   


Looking him up,  he is from Massachusetts.  Catholic. Graduated from the University of Massachusetts.  Master of Arts from  Georgetown School of Foreign Service.   


Very likely he is Liberal.

So if he's sane, not a chaotic idiot like Trump, then he's a liberal?

Good lord is this forum retarded.

[jpsb]

Yeah, Kelly is definitely leaving. Except he flatly denied he has any plans of leaving. So other than that slight flaw, the story is perfectly true.

I guess since Tillerson made it clear he is not resigning the game has switched to Kelly. So course it's on Twitter so it's got to be true.

[Night Hides Not]

That's what i've been reading as well.   


Looking him up,  he is from Massachusetts.  Catholic. Graduated from the University of Massachusetts.  Master of Arts from  Georgetown School of Foreign Service.   


Very likely he is Liberal.

Got news for ya, most generals lean toward socialist ideology. The military is not for free thinking people, it's very top-down. What separates our military from the rest of the world is our Constitution, and the oath we take to the Constitution. They have a very dim view of capitalism.

IMO, former generals should not be brought into the chain of command as "civilians", but as advisors.

[DiogenesLamp]

So if he's sane, not a chaotic idiot like Trump, then he's a liberal?

Good lord is this forum retarded.

Yes it is,  mainly because so many people like to pull a straw man stunt like you just did. 


First of all,  I reject your premise that Trump is an idiot.   People who say Trump is an idiot are idiots.   Obama was an idiot,  Trump actually understands various things and can create successful results.   Obama has never accomplished any positive thing so far as I know. 

Second of all,  my statement that Kelly was Liberal was based on his background,  not his behavior,  but since you brought it up,  much of his behavior also indicates that he is liberal,   but your trying to conflate something I said with something I did not say is intellectually dishonest and you should stop trying to put words in my mouth.   

[DiogenesLamp]

Got news for ya, most generals lean toward socialist ideology. The military is not for free thinking people, it's very top-down. What separates our military from the rest of the world is our Constitution, and the oath we take to the Constitution. They have a very dim view of capitalism.

IMO, former generals should not be brought into the chain of command as "civilians", but as advisors.

I believe there is something to your point,   but in my experience,  much can be understood about how a person will behave by looking at their background.   


Usually people from Massachusetts are very liberal.   People who go to college in Massachusetts are very Liberal.   The Foreign Service is also very liberal.   Catholicism,  especially in places like Boston or San Fransisco is often Liberal.   


None of this is conclusive,  but it is very indicative. 

[Night Hides Not]

So if he's sane, not a chaotic idiot like Trump, then he's a liberal?

Good lord is this forum retarded.

LOL, you got me thinking WTF. I must be liberal, too: grew up in the SF Bay Area, went to the same HS as Rachel Maddow (15 miles south of Berkeley), graduated from Gonzaga, a Jesuit university. Also converted to Catholicism 20 years ago.

As you might suspect, I left a few details out:

After college, did 8 years in the Army, 4 in Germany, 4 in Texas. During the 1980 election, I advocated for Reagan, debating with my German neighbors 2-3 times a week at the local gasthaus, all conversations were in German.

Haven't left Texas, been a naturalized citizen for 30+ years. Strong supporter of Ted Cruz and other conservatives.

[libertybele]

I believe there is something to your point,   but in my experience,  much can be understood about how a person will behave by looking at their background.   


Usually people from Massachusetts are very liberal.   People who go to college in Massachusetts are very Liberal.   The Foreign Service is also very liberal.   Catholicism,  especially in places like Boston or San Fransisco is often Liberal.   


None of this is conclusive,  but it is very indicative.

You are correct; none of your reasoning seems very conclusive.  As for his 'behavior' what exactly has he done that would indicate that he's a liberal??  He is a retired Marine Corps General and is very well decorated...maybe it's just my skewed perception, but I don't view those in the Marine Corps as liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kelly

[driftdiver]

Got news for ya, most generals lean toward socialist ideology. The military is not for free thinking people, it's very top-down. What separates our military from the rest of the world is our Constitution, and the oath we take to the Constitution. They have a very dim view of capitalism.

IMO, former generals should not be brought into the chain of command as "civilians", but as advisors.

@Night Hides Not
How about as Presidents?

[Night Hides Not]

@Night Hides Not
How about as Presidents?

Good question, DD.

There's one exception IMO:  George Washington. One could make a case for Andrew Jackson and Ike, but that's about it.

Economically, Ike had it made, so soon after WWII, when we had the only viable economy going.

[DiogenesLamp]

You are correct; none of your reasoning seems very conclusive.  As for his 'behavior' what exactly has he done that would indicate that he's a liberal??  He is a retired Marine Corps General and is very well decorated...maybe it's just my skewed perception, but I don't view those in the Marine Corps as liberals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kelly

I think the Marines tend to steer people back towards conservatism.   As for what he has done that indicates he is liberal,   I think he worked to oppose or get rid of conservative people near the President.  I think he's been intercepting efforts by conservative people to have influence with the President.   


I've read that he kept Trump from knowing about the Julian Assange deal,  among other things.

[DiogenesLamp]

LOL, you got me thinking WTF. I must be liberal, too: grew up in the SF Bay Area, went to the same HS as Rachel Maddow (15 miles south of Berkeley), graduated from Gonzaga, a Jesuit university. Also converted to Catholicism 20 years ago.

Much of this would argue that you would likely be liberal. 

As you might suspect, I left a few details out:

After college, did 8 years in the Army, 4 in Germany, 4 in Texas. During the 1980 election, I advocated for Reagan, debating with my German neighbors 2-3 times a week at the local gasthaus, all conversations were in German.

Haven't left Texas, been a naturalized citizen for 30+ years. Strong supporter of Ted Cruz and other conservatives.

Except for the German part,  the rest of this argues that you would be a conservative.  Also males tend to skew conservatives. 


Trying to discern motive and intent from background is just weighing probabilities.    Even if you have 80/20 odds on something,   the result will sometimes fall on the 20% side. 

[endicom]

Got news for ya, most generals lean toward socialist ideology. The military is not for free thinking people, it's very top-down. What separates our military from the rest of the world is our Constitution, and the oath we take to the Constitution. They have a very dim view of capitalism.

IMO, former generals should not be brought into the chain of command as "civilians", but as advisors.

Way back when, I said my time in the Army was as close as I would get to knowing life in a communist country. It wasn't close but close enough to get the idea.

[Night Hides Not]

Way back when, I said my time in the Army was as close as I would get to knowing life in a communist country. It wasn't close but close enough to get the idea.

Nail, meet head. For about 3 years, I had the good fortune to work for a man who demanded independence and imagination from his officers. He was my last Battalion Commander in Germany, and I also worked for him at Fort Bliss. I got out 18 months later, after working for an LTC with a Napoleanic complex.

[txradioguy]

Couldn't get Tillerson ousted via the rumor mill so now they are going after General Kelly.

[the_doc]

@Sanguine
@DiogenesLamp

That's what i've been reading as well.   


Looking him up,  he is from Massachusetts.  Catholic. Graduated from the University of Massachusetts.  Master of Arts from  Georgetown School of Foreign Service.   


Very likely he is Liberal.

I suspect that most of the Flag Officers in our day are pretty liberal in ways that are not always easy to spot.  Sometimes it is actually pretty easy, as it seems to be the case with Wesley Clark, who is evidently a Socialist.  I would not want him on the White House staff.  (Just sayin') 

The military is a dog-eat-dog world for promotion, and for the past many years, the best path to promotion has been politicking.  As I understand the top rungs of the ladder, prospective General Officers can't even get their first star without Congressional approval.  (Is that correct?)  And in that same timeframe, American politics has favored liberalism, PC, diversity, etc.

P.S.  Kelly's religious and educational background is considered by many liberal elitists to be ideal for a general.  (Even General Flynn was a registered Democrat--which, under today's circumstances, is absolutely despicable, IMOH.  Rumors have floated around that Trump fired Flynn for flatly defying the President, not for anything involving Russia.)