Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay

[BassWrangler]

Those laws were done incrementally by the left....with Democrats in control, mostly.  What I'm saying is... if the left thinks they're going to use an incident like this to disarm Americans nationally, (like has happened in other nations ... like Australia)... they have another think coming.   We will fight another civil war first....because most of us on the right know exactly what's going on here.

Sure, I agree with that. I didn't say anything about an outright ban. They're not that dumb. They will continue to use the "frog in the pot" method and raise the water temperature gradually. It will be the death of a thousand cuts. All they have to do is make it harder for people to own and (legally) use firearms. This causes less people to be interested in them and over time make the population more susceptible to anti-gun propaganda and laws.

[ABX]

Isis? Where is any evidence that he's ISIS? Does mystery-ak allow fake news on this website?

All the major networks are reporting that ISIS is taking credit but so far, everyone doubts it. They seem to take credit for everything.

[txradioguy]

Isis? Where is any evidence that he's ISIS? Does mystery-ak allow fake news on this website?

She's linked to a news paper article and it's been reported on Fox News as a possibility.

Quit trying to stir sh*t where it doesn't need to be stirred.

[Applewood]

I won't buy any rumors until about 2 or 3 hours by now; sure, ISIS can claim this. What else would they do with an incident like this.

Then, some will say, don't trust CNN, ABC, etc.; maybe but I don't think the whole media can be bamboozled.

This tragedy only happened a few hours ago.  Police, FBI and who knows how many other agencies have only begun their investigations. They are searching the perp's home and will be picking his whole life apart for some time.  Heck, even the number of dead and injured can't even be agreed upon yet.

So really, it's not wise to believe every story you hear. I heard that at the time of the incident, rumors were spreading of more than one shooter, more than one shooting location, and that there were several bombs set to go off around the city.

All these stories are designed to create more fear and panic. Some very sick people get their jollies from stirring up sh!t.  So let's just wait till there are more confirmed details.

[Silver Pines]

He's saying what needs to be said...and more importantly..in a way that it needs to be said.

@txradioguy

I think he made a very good and very appropriate statement.

[BassWrangler]

At this point there's no hope for the deep blue states like the one you live in.

No amount of statistical or anecdotal evidence that the more restrictive the gun laws the higher the crime rate will convince them that adding one more law to the 16,000 already in place in the country won't stop an event like what happened last night in Las Vegas.

As for myself...both of my sons and both of my daughters are really good shots. :)

That's the best we can hope for with the younger generations...teach the ones in our families as much as we can and hope for the best.

Mine are too. Better than me, which is no small feat, but it is only because I am losing my eyesight in my dominant eye. I've also introduced two people at work, after careful vetting, to firearms, with multiple trips to the range, and with instruction on basic firearm safety.

But I agree with you about the blue states. My main point is that it will hit the red states too. It will just take longer.

[jmyrlefuller]

How conveeeenient for this guy to be some white guy who 'just snapped' with no record, no political affiliations or religion?

Almost the same as what happened with Adam Lanza, who destroyed his hard drives, stole his brother's ID and killed his mother to prevent any motive from being discovered.

[XenaLee]

Sure, I agree with that. I didn't say anything about an outright ban. They're not that dumb. They will continue to use the "frog in the pot" method and raise the water temperature gradually. It will be the death of a thousand cuts. All they have to do is make it harder for people to own and (legally) use firearms. This causes less people to be interested in them and over time make the population more susceptible to anti-gun propaganda and laws.

Agreed. 

But ... the left is going to, per usual, go for the gusto and use this latest incident to bash Trump and the GOP with re: pushing yet more gun control laws, natch.  That's a given.  They know the GOP will resist and are counting on it.

What I want to know is.... how is it that someone can smuggle that many rifles into a hotel room over a period of 3-4 days without being noticed.  Seems like hotel security was asleep at the switch.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Cool it.

Mach

[Silver Pines]

I haven't read the thread to the beginning, so if this has already been posted, ignore me.

http://therightscoop.com/brother-of-las-vegas-gunman-says-he-mustve-snapped-or-something/

Brother says he had no political or religious affiliation.  The Las Vegas sheriff describes him as a distraught person (he was going through a divorce).

This may or may not be true, and the guy may have been a convert to Islam, or not.  The truth will come out pretty soon after things settle down a bit.

[txradioguy]

Mine are too. Better than me, which is no small feat, but it is only because I am losing my eyesight in my dominant eye. I've also introduced two people at work, after careful vetting, to firearms, with multiple trips to the range, and with instruction on basic firearm safety.

Good on you.  Hopefully they won't have to ever use what you've taught them.

But I agree with you about the blue states. My main point is that it will hit the red states too. It will just take longer.

Hopefully it will be after I'm long gone.

Weird to think that it used to be normal to have your rifle mounted in the window in your truck and now if you tried that you'd have the cops tossing you on the ground and cuffing you.  had to explain that to my son when he wanted to buy a gun rack for his truck so he could put his Ruger 10/22 in there.

[TomSea]

I think those politicizing this on both sides can go jump in a lake, this is a national tragedy, not "blue states without hope" and the President "did good enough", a discussion on gun rights before these bodies are even identified and still warm. How vile, really.  Some have to get in their shots no matter what.

[edpc]

How conveeeenient for this guy to be some white guy who 'just snapped' with no record, no political affiliations or religion?

Too well-planned, to well executed to be some nitwit that went nuts IMO.

He checked in last Thursday and you'd have to think getting everything to the room would require multiple trips and/or assistance from someone else.  As you say - too much went into planning and execution for it to be an opportunistic or heat of passion event.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So people are now saying this is a conspiracy theory in here?

[mountaineer]

Report: 'Samir al-Hajib,' shooter from Las Vegas

According to an unofficial report from Reshet Bet, the Las Vegas shooter's name is Samir al-Hajib.
He is an American who converted to Islam at the age of 30 and lives in Las Vegas.

Israel National News

I have no idea whether the site is legit.

[GrouchoTex]

Weird to think that it used to be normal to have your rifle mounted in the window in your truck and now if you tried that you'd have the cops tossing you on the ground and cuffing you.  had to explain that to my son when he wanted to buy a gun rack for his truck so he could put his Ruger 10/22 in there.

I used to be a fairly common sight.

[jpsb]

Isis? Where is any evidence that he's ISIS? Does mystery-ak allow fake news on this website?

So you know for a fact that it was not ISIS? You know for a fact that ISIS claiming it was is a lie? ISIS calling for an attack on the Vegas strip back in May was just a coincidence?

REPORT: Las Vegas Strip ISIS Threats Emerge on Video

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

So you know for a fact that it was not ISIS? You know for a fact that ISIS claiming it was is a lie? ISIS calling for an attack on the Vegas strip back in May was just a coincidence?

<a herf="http://heavy.com/news/2017/05/las-vegas-isis-threats-terrorist-attack-video-propaganda-strip-hotels/">REPORT: Las Vegas Strip ISIS Threats Emerge on Video[/url]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Burden of proof is on you.

[ABX]

So people are now saying this is a conspiracy theory in here?

We are just discussing what the news is saying. And it seems we are all agreeing the ISIS angle is BS.

[ABX]

Israel National News

I have no idea whether the site is legit.

One of many hoaxes legit news sites have reported.

https://www.bustle.com/p/these-las-vegas-hoaxes-being-shared-online-arent-real-heres-what-to-watch-out-for-2743341

Always the problem with the modern day of social media and the news trying to beat each other to the punch.

[Cyber Liberty]

@Cyber Liberty
The video I'm seeing/hearing does not sound like echo's.   I know what an echo sounds like and I've heard automatic fire as well.   To me this sounds like an AK-47 or similar weapon.   He probably had 30rd magazines but it sounds like he shoots longer than those would allow.  The 40 Rd magazines tend to jam too much.

There are several places in Las Vegas where you can shoot full auto weapons, he might have stolen them.

I heard it on the radio on the way into work.  Definitely auto fire.

[ABX]

Death toll up to 59.

515 injured.

[jpsb]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Burden of proof is on you.

I was just quoting numerous reliable sources, you're the one that called that fake news. And just what is extraordinary about ISIS attacking us?

[mountaineer]

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Burden of proof is on you.

News outlets are reporting that ISIS has claimed this guy as one of their own. The burden of proof is not on us.

ISIS claims responsibility for Las Vegas massacre
By Yaron Steinbuch
October 2, 2017 | 10:23am

ISIS claimed responsibility Monday for the Las Vegas rampage, saying without offering evidence that the shooter had converted to Islam a few months ago, according to reports.

“The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition,” the terror group’s news agency Amaq said in reference to the US-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East.

“The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago,” Amaq also on the Telegram online messaging service, according to Agence France-Presse.

US officials said Monday that there was no evidence that the attacker was tied to any international militant group, though one official said security agencies were examining the ISIS claim of responsibility, Reuters reported. ...

New York Post

[Applewood]

Death toll up to 59.

515 injured.

Thanks for the update, @AbaraXas