McConnell, GOP Senate brace for Roy Moore

[Emjay]

Thanks, Emjay, I'll wear that one with pride!

More than welcome, @Jazzhead ... Even though I probably only agree with you ten percent of the time, I'm glad you are here.

You are especially welcome on social issues when I start to get a little glad people can't reach me through cyberspace because so many of those neanderthals start grabbing up their torches and pitchforks about people they don't understand and hate.

[Emjay]

@Emjay

I'm sorry but I just can't figure out how you arrived at that.  Can you please explain?

Well, here is a post from @Right_in_Virginia and the ensuing posts reflected the same sentiment.

"Nonsense.  Moore will be one more vote preventing Republicans from reaching a majority ..... so nothing will get passed and McConnell can rest easy.

None of the Republicans want to accomplish anything beyond keeping their jobs and TV appearances."

[INVAR]

So, what is it you want to see, @Right_in_Virginia?  Not sure what you're advocating.

From what I can ascertain, she wants the Establishment cadre to succeed in passing Statism and Liberalism as long as it has an "R" after it and Trump can claim a victory.

The fact an actual Conservative with a record of refusing to compromise with Liberalism frightens and angers her, as well as the Establishment Party Hacks.

[Bigun]

Well, here is a post from @Right_in_Virginia and the ensuing posts reflected the same sentiment.

"Nonsense.  Moore will be one more vote preventing Republicans from reaching a majority ..... so nothing will get passed and McConnell can rest easy.

None of the Republicans want to accomplish anything beyond keeping their jobs and TV appearances."

Ok! I now see how that can be interpreted as you did.  It came across to me as a general complaint about a do nothing REPUBLICAN Senate and that is EXACTLY what they have been up to now.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

You've got to be kidding.  The man disrespects both the rule of law and the Constitution's separation of church and state. 

As for the survival of the Republic,  do you really feel we have time for the Congress to be populated by a majority of religious troglodytes?   The battle must be joined now,  not in some far-flung fanciful future.   I'll take incremental progress (such as would have been the case under Graham-Cassidy) rather than no progress at all.   

The rule of law?  The single thing Roy Moore has done is to defend God in this country.

If you believe whatever you call the rule of law trumps the defense of God, then you have a very rude awakening after your life ends.

And Congress, populated with people that felt similarly, would return America to that our Founders intended.

[DCPatriot]

Ok! I now see how that can be interpreted as you did.  It came across to me as a general complaint about a do nothing REPUBLICAN Senate and that is EXACTLY what they have been up to now.

Exactly, right!

And that maybe because we've posted with her for many years before President Trump became a burr in so many butts!   

[Emjay]

Ok! I now see how that can be interpreted as you did.  It came across to me as a general complaint about a do nothing REPUBLICAN Senate and that is EXACTLY what they have been up to now.

Glad you see.  I mean ... no glee at all for Moore's election ... just saying he'll be one more bad vote.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Do SOMEthing! Even if it's wrong?

No @Smokin Joe   Do something even if it's not 100% of you personal preference.

[INVAR]

The rule of law?  The single thing Roy Moore has done is to defend God in this country.

That makes him a 'troglodyte' (Jazzy's new insult word-of-the-week for biblical Christians). 

The fact is, our resident Abomination Apologist and Resident Leftist considers Washington, Adams, Henry, Hamilton and a host of the Signers to be 'religious troglodytes' considering their writings in regards to religion and morality are things Jazzy HATES and calls 'bigotry' that he says he intends to fight.

At best Jazzy would have been a Tory Loyalist to the Crown.

[INVAR]

No @Smokin Joe   Do something even if it's not 100% to you personal preference.

Except that is exactly how we got to where we are my dear.

[Right_in_Virginia]

So, what is it you want to see, @Right_in_Virginia?  Not sure what you're advocating.

Congressional Conservatives tend to hold their obstructionism as a badge of principle and courage.  They seem to forget they've left the pulpit and are now responsible for governing.

I would like conservatives to climb down from their "all or nothing" soapbox @Sanguine   But I envision Moore, champion of the 10 Commandments and heterosexuals everywhere,  adding a penthouse to his soapbox  ... the louder the applause, the higher the penthouse.  (Convince me I'm wrong)

Sometimes a partial victory IS a good thing.  And I just don't know how to convince you of this.  But gratefully, I am at least in very good company---because not even Ronald Reagan could convince today's conservatives that 80/20 --with 80 being what we get-- is a damn good victory.

[Smokin Joe]

More than welcome, @Jazzhead ... Even though I probably only agree with you ten percent of the time, I'm glad you are here.

You are especially welcome on social issues when I start to get a little glad people can't reach me through cyberspace because so many of those neanderthals start grabbing up their torches and pitchforks about people they don't understand and hate.

Why is disagreement, even disgust, so often called "hate"?

I frequently disagree with people but don't hate them. Some disgust me--still not hate, often more akin to pity, but not hate.

When people do things that are sure to lead to them being miserable even though they might appeal in the moment, is it "hate" to try to persuade them to do otherwise? Or is that more going against the flow to be compassionate in the long run?

One thing I do hate is the way that believing something is patently wrong and expressing that has been characterized by the Left as "hate".

[Right_in_Virginia]

Well, here is a post from @Right_in_Virginia and the ensuing posts reflected the same sentiment.

"Nonsense.  Moore will be one more vote preventing Republicans from reaching a majority ..... so nothing will get passed and McConnell can rest easy.

None of the Republicans want to accomplish anything beyond keeping their jobs and TV appearances."

Why thank you @Emjay  ^-^

[Sanguine]

Congressional Conservatives tend to hold their obstructionism as a badge of principle and courage.  They seem to forget they've left the pulpit and are now responsible for governing.

I would like conservatives to climb down from their "all or nothing" soapbox @Sanguine   But I envision Moore, champion of the 10 Commandments and heterosexuals everywhere,  adding a penthouse to his soapbox  ... the louder the applause, the higher the penthouse.  (Convince me I'm wrong)

Sometimes a partial victory IS a good thing.  And I just don't know how to convince you of this.  But gratefully, I am at least in very good company---because not even Ronald Reagan could convince today's conservatives that 80/20 --with 80 being what we get-- is a damn good victory.

OK, that makes more sense.

Two points: first of all, not sure why you see it as" "Congressional Conservatives tend to hold their obstructionism as a badge of principle and courage".  Could it be that they actually believe that they are doing the right thing?

And, secondly, conservatives are trying to hew to the actual words and intent of the document that holds us together as a nation.  I think that's a good thing.  But, then doing the right thing is usually more difficult than going along to get along.

[Smokin Joe]

No @Smokin Joe   Do something even if it's not 100% to you personal preference.

Because they will only put it in a little way?
No thanks.

And it isn't a question of my personal preference, it is a question of what is right. You might see it as the former because the two coincide so often.

[INVAR]

Sometimes a partial victory IS a good thing.  And I just don't know how to convince you of this.  But gratefully, I am at least in very good company---because not even Ronald Reagan could convince today's conservatives that 80/20 --with 80 being what we get-- is a damn good victory.

Pray tell exactly WHAT 80% of ANYTHING have Conservatives received in compromising with Democrats since Reagan???????????

You got your percentages reversed - and then berate Conservatives that are tired of being thrown crumbs from the dog bowl while the GOP Leadership helps serve up filet mignon to the Democrat Leftists.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Except that is exactly how we got to where we are my dear.

Pumpkin, you don't rule the world, you live in it.  If conservative elected officials can't learn how to compromise and govern, then maybe they should find another line of work.  They're becoming more and more obstinate and less and less a solution.

[Smokin Joe]

Pumpkin, you don't rule the world, you live in it.  If conservative elected officials can't learn how to compromise and govern, then maybe they should find another line of work.  They're becoming more and more obstinate and less and less a solution.

Dear, decades of compromise have led us to the precipice. Either we stand or we go into the abyss. Already many of the GOP in Congress are to the left of JFK and it is up to Conservatives to obstruct that leftward slide.

You may see that as "obstruction", and you'd be right. It is all that keeps us from being just another Democratik Socialist Republik, and not a Constitutional Republic. Be thankful, and exhort your wayward liberal Republicans to help get this country back on its foundations before it collapses. Failing that, vote the b@stards out.

[Jazzhead]

Why is disagreement, even disgust, so often called "hate"?

When all homosexuals are lumped together as "perverts", regardless of whether they troll bathhouses or live quietly and constructively with a loving, lifetime partner,  that's hate.

I evaluate folks on their merits as individuals.   I also believe - because I believe Christ tells me so - that the issue of eternal damnation is not a function of sexual orientation, but whether one has respected and honored his fellow man.   On that basis, I'll take my chances with the merciful Christ, not the Christ of your imagination who enables your "disgust" with good people.   

[Jazzhead]

Pumpkin, you don't rule the world, you live in it.  If conservative elected officials can't learn how to compromise and govern, then maybe they should find another line of work.  They're becoming more and more obstinate and less and less a solution.

 

[Right_in_Virginia]

OK, that makes more sense.

Two points: first of all, not sure why you see it as" "Congressional Conservatives tend to hold their obstructionism as a badge of principle and courage".  Could it be that they actually believe that they are doing the right thing?  ...

At what point can we expect conservatives to understand their 100% or nothing philosophy is helping no one?  At what point do conservative lawmakers read their job descriptions and actually help to move the ball in the right direction ---even if it is one step at a time ---by actively governing?  When do they realize they've got to have SOMETHING to show American voters for their time in Congress beyond the word "no"?

I'm not trying to be argumentative (on purpose) @Sanguine   I truly do not understand this conservative Achilles heel.  I truly do not.

[Jazzhead]

Congressional Conservatives tend to hold their obstructionism as a badge of principle and courage.  They seem to forget they've left the pulpit and are now responsible for governing.

I would like conservatives to climb down from their "all or nothing" soapbox @Sanguine   But I envision Moore, champion of the 10 Commandments and heterosexuals everywhere,  adding a penthouse to his soapbox  ... the louder the applause, the higher the penthouse.  (Convince me I'm wrong)

Sometimes a partial victory IS a good thing.  And I just don't know how to convince you of this.  But gratefully, I am at least in very good company---because not even Ronald Reagan could convince today's conservatives that 80/20 --with 80 being what we get-- is a damn good victory.

Thanks, RIV, for being a voice of reason.   Politics is, or should be, the means to an end - sound public policy and governance in service to the people. 

[INVAR]

When all homosexuals are lumped together as "perverts", regardless of whether they troll bathhouses or live quietly and constructively with a loving, lifetime partner,  that's hate. 

In a few years you'll be saying the same damn thing about anyone calling sex with animals, pedophiles and child marriage perverts.  You'll call that opposition "hate" too.

Which is perfectly fine by me.

One does not get hated by the entire world for His Namesake by going along with it.

[roamer_1]

Sometimes a partial victory IS a good thing.  And I just don't know how to convince you of this.  But gratefully, I am at least in very good company---because not even Ronald Reagan could convince today's conservatives that 80/20 --with 80 being what we get-- is a damn good victory.

We are nowhere NEAR that number.
The basic premise that REPUBLICANS are endorsing socialist health care and taxing the 'rich' is in a completely different realm from Conservatism. There ain't no 80% 'our' way... There ain't 10% our way.

[Jazzhead]

In a few years you'll be saying the same damn thing about anyone calling sex with animals, pedophiles and child marriage perverts.  You'll call that opposition "hate" too.

Which is perfectly fine by me.

One does not get hated by the entire world for His Namesake by going along with it.

Keep it up, INVAR - do you really believe you're showing Christianity's best face to the world?  Or its dogmatic, intolerant worst?