‘Homosexual Conduct Should Be Illegal,’ Roy Moore Said in ‘05 Interview

[Emjay]

Actually, YHWH DESPISES both homosexuality AND adultery. Both are enumerated abominations, for which the very land will spit you out.

WTF are you even talking about @Emjay ? Your government is teaching my children to be sexually active - Teaching transgenderism, and gender fluidity to prepubescent children. Normalizing homosexuality and a 'free sex' mentality... Your government allows my daughter to have an abortion without my knowledge. Your government teaches my children virtually every sort of sexual aberration - including anal sex as preferrable to avoid pregnancy...   

Exactly what OTHER abuses are there that top these?

Just go ahead and embrace liberalism, because that is what you are preaching.
There can be *NO* small government that is capable of governing a licentious people.

Oh, please.  The government is doing none of those things... you can blame that on the court system.

I'm as square as they come and I'm also very conservative on social issues.

If you want Nancy Pelosi in your bedroom, that's an odd desire but we cannot make homosexuality illegal.

You want the ten commandments on your wall? 

Better obey them then.  No gluttony, lust, envy or hate.  A lot more 'no's'

I want the government out of every facet of our personal lives so please don't call me liberal because I have a little bit of sense.

[driftdiver]

Oh, please.  The government is doing none of those things... you can blame that on the court system.

I'm as square as they come and I'm also very conservative on social issues.

If you want Nancy Pelosi in your bedroom, that's an odd desire but we cannot make homosexuality illegal.

You want the ten commandments on your wall? 

Better obey them then.  No gluttony, lust, envy or hate.  A lot more 'no's'

I want the government out of every facet of our personal lives so please don't call me liberal because I have a little bit of sense.

@Emjay
THe govt is certainly doing those things.  and oh, the justice system is part of the government.

I never imagined a conservative site would be arguing FOR normalization of homosexual behavior.

[DiogenesLamp]

Who is 'they' in this claim.  There is no way blood banks could know that the donors are homosexual unless the donors tell them.

It doesn't 'show.'

So, I believe that blood is tested regardless of how the donor looks or what he or she says.

And how does a test find a single HIV virus in a blood sample?   


Ryan White,  Arthur Ashe,  and Isaac Asimov all died of homosexual tainted AIDS blood introduced into their system by blood transfusion. 

Let's not go all nutzoid, people.

Allowing homosexuals to donate blood is nutzoid.   We have been going nutzoid.  What we want is go back toward the direction of sanity. 

[truth_seeker]

100% STRAWMAN!! Total BS!  He didn't say ANYTHING remotely like that and YOU know it!

Great, then beyond "BS" kindly explain how the local citizenry would go about regulating sexual practices in their communities?

As a nation that once prohibited alcohol, we still have certain faiths that oppose alcohol (Islam, Mormons, 7th Day Adv., others?).

How do those religious communities go about "regulating" their members' practices and lifestyles?

Are there no drinkers of alcohol, in those group? Does nobody copulate outside marriage? No gay members?

There is no strawman in dealing very specifically with the "how to" handle things which generate volumes of high-minded posts, but with little in the way of day-to-day practicalities.

The thread starts with Judge Moore's position of making homosexuality ILLEGAL.

Presumably violation of the law against homosexuality, implies punishment by the governing jurisdiction.

[DiogenesLamp]

I apologize, I made a bit of a mistake in my last post you responded to. I forgot to cite my source. I was actually quoting Iran's Human Rights minister Mohammad Javad Larijani on their laws.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/iran-blog/2013/mar/14/iran-official-homosexuality-illness

Well,  in case you didn't realize it,  I was paraphrasing the separation of powers as detailed in the agreement between the states known as the US Constitution.   


I'm sorry I didn't cite the US Constitution as the basis for my response,  but I sorta thought it might be obvious to people who discuss things on a conservative website,  what with all the terms like "Federalism"  and such being employed. 

Also I did sneak a bit of medical science in there as well,  but I think that bit of information somehow got ignored. 

[RoosGirl]

Oh, please.  The government is doing none of those things... you can blame that on the court system.

I'm as square as they come and I'm also very conservative on social issues.

If you want Nancy Pelosi in your bedroom, that's an odd desire but we cannot make homosexuality illegal.

You want the ten commandments on your wall? 

Better obey them then.  No gluttony, lust, envy or hate.  A lot more 'no's'

I want the government out of every facet of our personal lives so please don't call me liberal because I have a little bit of sense.

Dearest, in no universe is arguing for the normalization of homosexual relations being "very conservative on social issues."

[DiogenesLamp]

and where the Judeo-Christian ethic has been rooted out, something else will grow.

And it won't be as good as what it replaced.   

[Bigun]

Great, then beyond "BS" kindly explain how the local citizenry would go about regulating sexual practices in their communities?

As a nation that once prohibited alcohol, we still have certain faiths that oppose alcohol (Islam, Mormons, 7th Day Adv., others?).

How do those religious communities go about "regulating" their members' practices and lifestyles?

Are there no drinkers of alcohol, in those group? Does nobody copulate outside marriage? No gay members?

There is no strawman in dealing very specifically with the "how to" handle things which generate volumes of high-minded posts, but with little in the way of day-to-day practicalities.

The thread starts with Judge Moore's position of making homosexuality ILLEGAL.

Presumably violation of the law against homosexuality, implies punishment by the governing jurisdiction.

I frankly don't know HOW they would do it but I do know that it should be up to them to decide!

[INVAR]

Jesus said love the sinner but hate the sin.

Where in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Revelation is that exact verse located?

I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

That said, we live at a time where homos will tell you that their behavior defines who they are.  Hating their sin is a hate crime according to them and advocates for Government imposition of acceptance of that behavior.

[DiogenesLamp]

Great, then beyond "BS" kindly explain how the local citizenry would go about regulating sexual practices in their communities?

And again,  can you not look in the history books to see how it was done,  and to what extent it was done before?   We have already been to where it is now proposed that we return. 



"The law" is a normalizing process.   The mere act of making something "the law",  contributes to compliance without a needful resort to an enforcement mechanism. 

 

[InHeavenThereIsNoBeer]

Dearest, in no universe is arguing for the normalization of homosexual relations being "very conservative on social issues."

What if it's two chicks, they're just experimenting, and I get to watch?

[XenaLee]

Where in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Revelation is that exact verse located?

I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

That said, we live at a time where homos will tell you that their behavior defines who they are.  Hating their sin is a hate crime according to them and advocates for Government imposition of acceptance of that behavior.

You won't find it in the Bible.....because Jesus did NOT say that.   The quote is attributed to St. Augustine.  Gandhi then borrowed (plagiarized?) it and used it in his teaching.

http://bustedhalo.com/questionbox/where-can-i-find-where-jesus-says-hate-the-sin-love-the-sinner

[roamer_1]

Oh, please.  The government is doing none of those things... you can blame that on the court system.

The government is doing EXACTLY that through the school system. And last I looked, the court system is part of your government.

I'm as square as they come and I'm also very conservative on social issues.

Not according to your statements here.

If you want Nancy Pelosi in your bedroom, that's an odd desire

Who said anything like that? I want federal 'guidance' in the matter removed, and put the issue in the state and local government where it belongs. That REMOVES Nancy Pelosi, and her ilk, from my bedroom.

but we cannot make homosexuality illegal.

The hell you say. It was illegal for all of our existence with the singular exception of the last generation.

You want the ten commandments on your wall? 

Better obey them then.  No gluttony, lust, envy or hate.  A lot more 'no's'

Where the 10 Commandments have been torn down, statues of Baphomet and arches to Baal rise up. And you think that's BETTER?

I want the government out of every facet of our personal lives so please don't call me liberal because I have a little bit of sense.

That's just it, @Emjay - It isn't sense. Nearly every single thing that is destroying our nation rests in immorality. Bastard children in single parent houses live in poverty, and fill the welfare roles... Those same children wind up more likely to do drugs and commit crimes, and the party culture they live in produces more bastard children, exponentially. It is self-fulfilling and non-stop, with only one single effective remedy: National repentance.

So in fact, the things preventing that are the very things you are arguing *FOR*

Federal insistence on asserting morality, sustains immorality, and invariably calls the Judeo-Christian ethic evil. But that's the folks you're rooting for.

I am *FOR* federalism, as much as possible, letting the locals figure out whether they want baphomet or the 10 Commandments... And I assert that I know which one they would choose, if they could.

And as an aside, you are talking to the wrong guy with respect to the 10 Commandments. I would assert that the whole of Torah must be kept. And my walk down that path has made me free.
So the 'do's and dont's will not phase this particular Christian.

[XenaLee]

What if it's two chicks, they're just experimenting, and I get to watch?

Then.... you're going to Hell.... no doubt about it!   

[roamer_1]

What if it's two chicks, they're just experimenting, and I get to watch?

A fantasy that never actually comes true...

[aligncare]

Not everything that’s wrong for an individual to do should be made illegal. So as act of resistance, go ahead and tear every warning label from your cushions. Let’s see them prove it in court. /silly

[Jazzhead]

You keep using that word "consent."   For most of this nation's existence, homosexuals could not consent because homosexuality was a condition of insanity.   The law did not recognize their consent no more than it would that of other asylum inmates.

And you are suggesting we return to such ignorance as a matter of law?   Are you suggesting such a position is conservative? 

[DiogenesLamp]

Sex diseases in US surge to record high

Most of the new cases -- 1.6 million in 2016 -- involved chlamydia, a bacterial infection that affects both men and women.

Gonorrhea also increased among men and women last year, but the steepest rise was among men (22 percent), said the report.

Nationwide, gonorrhea cases reached 470,000, with a large share of new gonorrhea cases among men who have sex with men.

These trends are "particularly alarming" because of the growing threat of gonorrhea becoming resistant to the last recommended treatment, according to the CDC report.

Syphilis cases numbered 28,000, a rate that increased nearly 18 percent from 2015 to 2016.

Most cases of syphilis occur among men -- mainly gay, bisexual and other men who have sex with men.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sex-diseases-us-surge-record-high-172946444.html

[driftdiver]

Where in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or Revelation is that exact verse located?

I cannot seem to find it anywhere.

That said, we live at a time where homos will tell you that their behavior defines who they are.  Hating their sin is a hate crime according to them and advocates for Government imposition of acceptance of that behavior.

@INVAR
Funny how you pick on that part to quibble with.

Are you perfect?  Or are you a sinner?

If you are a sinner then you are no better then them according to your logic.

[Emjay]

Read it again.  I would think it is rather obvious who "they" is.   People that received blood transfusions that ended up giving them HIV, of course.

Who is going nutzoid here?  Certainly not you.   

NO, I believe you misunderstood.  Someone said "they" are now allowing homosexuals to donate blood. 

I was wondering who 'they' were and how 'they' knew that a person was homosexual.

People who received blood transfusions that gave them aids are such a small percentage of people who received life-saving blood transfusions, it doesn't even show on the Richter scale.

I'm just trying to stop the panic but since it's obvious I can't, I'm outta here.

[DiogenesLamp]

And you are suggesting we return to such ignorance as a matter of law? 

It isn't based on ignorance.  It is based on a better understanding of what homosexuality is (a mental illness affliction of indeterminate cause)  than what we have now.   


It has been the norm for Western Civilization till just recently.   What we have now is based on ignorance and willful insanity.

Are you suggesting such a position is conservative?

It has always been so.   The very essence of conservatism is to oppose changes that are not improvements.  What we have now is not an improvement,  it is a disaster. 

[driftdiver]

What if it's two chicks, they're just experimenting, and I get to watch?

@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
Rosie says come on OVER.

[driftdiver]

And you are suggesting we return to such ignorance as a matter of law?   Are you suggesting such a position is conservative?

@Jazzhead
Ya know I was just wondering where you were because I needed someone to define conservatism for me.


sorry for the sarcasm but cmon man.

[DiogenesLamp]

NO, I believe you misunderstood.  Someone said "they" are now allowing homosexuals to donate blood. 

I was wondering who 'they' were and how 'they' knew that a person was homosexual.

People who received blood transfusions that gave them aids are such a small percentage of people who received life-saving blood transfusions, it doesn't even show on the Richter scale.

Unless you happen to be one of the people victimized by this sally into politically correct stupidity. 


If you happen to be one of these people,  it registers off the scale on your personal Richter scale in terms of importance.   


I find it incredibly odd that we would agree to condemn certain unknown people to death over a desire to advance a politically correct narrative,  because we perceive that the numbers of people killed will be small. 

[jpsb]

God loves homosexuals .... and adulterers, although he doesn't care that much for adulterers.

Of course he does which is why he gave Sodom and Gomorrah his special blessing