The two senators who will likely decide fate of ObamaCare repeal

[Applewood]

The vast majority of conservatives in the Senate think it does.

Do you know who is and isn't a conservative?  And if so, have you taken a poll of real conservatives to back up your assertion? 

You do know that being Republican and being conservative is not necessarily the same thing, right?  And you do know that those who claim to be conservative might nott be.

[jmyrlefuller]

Expanding government and having the Federal government run the healthcare industry is NOT furthering ANY Conservative priorities.

You've said that about every bill that's been proposed.

[Sighlass]

Obamacare lite.... I am gonna buck with Cruz and go with Rand on this one.

Send her down the tube and put up a REAL repeal (would be nice to have assurances that they will stay out of healthcare in the future also).

[Bigun]

I’ve covered the GOP repeal plans since day one. Graham-Cassidy is the most radical.

Other Republican plans create a poorly funded version of Obamacare. This one blows up the law entirely.
Updated by Sarah Kliffsarah@vox.com Sep 20, 2017, 9:10am EDT

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/9/20/16333338/obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy

IF this is accurate I'm all for it!

[txradioguy]

You've said that about every bill that's been proposed.

And I'll keep saying it because it's true.

[txradioguy]

I’ve covered the GOP repeal plans since day one. Graham-Cassidy is the most radical.

Other Republican plans create a poorly funded version of Obamacare. This one blows up the law entirely.
Updated by Sarah Kliffsarah@vox.com Sep 20, 2017, 9:10am EDT

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/9/20/16333338/obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy

IF this is accurate I'm all for it!

Vox views it as radical because it messes up the Liberal push for single payer.  Remember Vox is a liberal mouthpiece.

Ezra Klein is about as radical left as it comes and he's certainly going to not give you an unbiased view of anything Republicans do.

Just keep that in the back of your mind when you start citing his website.

[Applewood]

I’ve covered the GOP repeal plans since day one. Graham-Cassidy is the most radical.

Other Republican plans create a poorly funded version of Obamacare. This one blows up the law entirely.
Updated by Sarah Kliffsarah@vox.com Sep 20, 2017, 9:10am EDT

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/9/20/16333338/obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy

IF this is accurate I'm all for it!

From the article:

"The bill offered by Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy takes money from states that did a good job getting residents covered under Obamacare and gives it to states that did not."

So taxpayers of the "good" states will be subsidizing the "bad" states?  I don't know that that is a good thing.  The problem with Obamacare is that the responsible are paying big bucks to fund coverage for the irresponsible.  Sounds like this is more of the same   Am I wrong?

[txradioguy]

From the article:

"The bill offered by Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy takes money from states that did a good job getting residents covered under Obamacare and gives it to states that did not."

So taxpayers of the "good" states will be subsidizing the "bad" states?  I don't know that that is a good thing.  The problem with Obamacare is that the responsible are paying big bucks to fund coverage for the irresponsible.  Sounds like this is more of the same   Am I wrong?

@Applewood no you're not wrong.

Bad states = states that refused to take federal money and/or set up the Federal exchanges.

Typical Liberal mindset being displayed by Ezra Klein and Vox completely twisting around what constitutes a good state and a bad state.

[RoosGirl]

From the article:

"The bill offered by Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy takes money from states that did a good job getting residents covered under Obamacare and gives it to states that did not."

So taxpayers of the "good" states will be subsidizing the "bad" states?  I don't know that that is a good thing.  The problem with Obamacare is that the responsible are paying big bucks to fund coverage for the irresponsible.  Sounds like this is more of the same   Am I wrong?

You are not wrong.  That's how EVERY government program is.

[Bigun]

From the article:

"The bill offered by Republican Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy takes money from states that did a good job getting residents covered under Obamacare and gives it to states that did not."

So taxpayers of the "good" states will be subsidizing the "bad" states?  I don't know that that is a good thing.  The problem with Obamacare is that the responsible are paying big bucks to fund coverage for the irresponsible.  Sounds like this is more of the same   Am I wrong?

Here's the part that I found of great interest:

While other Republican plans essentially create a poorly funded version of the Affordable Care Act, Graham-Cassidy blows it up.

If that is true then I'm all for it!

[Cyber Liberty]

I’ve covered the GOP repeal plans since day one. Graham-Cassidy is the most radical.

Other Republican plans create a poorly funded version of Obamacare. This one blows up the law entirely.
Updated by Sarah Kliffsarah@vox.com Sep 20, 2017, 9:10am EDT

https://www.vox.com/health-care/2017/9/20/16333338/obamacare-repeal-graham-cassidy

IF this is accurate I'm all for it!

Do you believe "Vox?"

[Bigun]

Do you believe "Vox?"

Frankly, until I get a look at the ACTUAL bill, I won't fully believe anyone!

[anubias]

I'll be able to opt out and my low income means my hands are clean. I'll let the rest of y'all figure out the mess I'm no longer a part of handling.

Spoken like a true Democrat. As long as someone else pays, you are good with it.

[Jazzhead]

The Conservatives...the real Conservatives...don't think it is.  Otherwise the first attempt at Obamacare-lite would have passed.

Every attempt at anything short of a repeal has failed because Conservatives...not the RINO's you call "conservative" because they have strong Liberal leanings like yourself...but real Conservatives have blocked an expansion of Federal power that their own party is trying to shove on Americans.

That you don't understand that is not surprising.

Who in your view are the "real conservatives" in the Senate?   

[txradioguy]

Who in your view are the "real conservatives" in the Senate?

No one that fits your very loose definition of Conservative that's for sure.

[Emjay]

Would McCain really break with his good friend Lindsay Graham??

Lindsey's hands on this bill were what I've been worrying about.

[Emjay]

It's not repeal but it still advances important conservative priorities.   Pay off Murkowski if necessary,  just let's get this thing done.   

I may be mistaken,  but I assume we need both McCain and Murkowski, since Collins really is a RINO and Rand Paul is an idiot.

I think it's worth passing.

[Emjay]

Expanding government and having the Federal government run the healthcare industry is NOT furthering ANY Conservative priorities.

It is not my understanding that this bill does that.  The Feds already run healthcare under Obamacare.  Doesn't this bill give more power to the states.

[txradioguy]

It is not my understanding that this bill does that.  The Feds already run healthcare under Obamacare.  Doesn't this bill give more power to the states.

No. It does not.  The power over healthcare still rests with the Federal government. 

[RoosGirl]

It is not my understanding that this bill does that.  The Feds already run healthcare under Obamacare.  Doesn't this bill give more power to the states.

On the surface, but not really.  They basically have to get permission from the Feds to cut any required benefits.  I presume expanding the benefits is A-ok.

[txradioguy]

I think it's worth passing.

Why?

[Emjay]

Why?

Because it delegates some power to the states and eliminates the mandate (I think) and because baby steps are better than no steps at all.

[roamer_1]

Expanding government and having the Federal government run the healthcare industry is NOT furthering ANY Conservative priorities.

QFT

[Smokin Joe]

Expanding government and having the Federal government run the healthcare industry is NOT furthering ANY Conservative priorities.

Precisely.

[driftdiver]

Because it delegates some power to the states and eliminates the mandate (I think) and because baby steps are better than no steps at all.

@Emjay
I'm not against compromise but compromise with these folks is usually cutting your own throat.

If this passes the Republicans will claim victory.  They will claim they upheld their promises to fix Obamacare and they will move on to their next goat rope and the sheep will fall in line.

No I think its better to hold their feet to the fire.   They promised repeal and by golly they need to deliver the repeal of Obamacare.