Ted Cruz says 'consenting adults should be able to do whatever they want in the bedroom' as he promises his account will never like porn again

[Hoodat]

There is quantity and then there is quality.

And there is Conservative, and then there's Trump.

Name one thing that Cruz has done to advance the conservative agenda that matches up
with Trumps' court appointments. The Supreme Court in particular.

See Logical Fallacies:  Moving the Goal Posts

[jpsb]

Oh... my...   

Is nice to have you on this thread, you bring so much to the discussion.

[RoosGirl]

Is nice to have you one this thread, you bring so much to the discussion.

Much obliged.

[DCPatriot]

Quit playing the victim. I never called you a thin skinned snow flake. I said I didn't (has in
did NOT) figure you for a thin skinned snow flake. Keep playing that victim card and
I might change my mind.

Most excellent!      

[jpsb]

And there is Conservative, and then there's Trump.


See Logical Fallacies:  Moving the Goal Posts

I'll take that as a concession that you can not name one thing Cruz has done that
was as important to conservatives as Trumps' court appointments.

[Oceander]

I don't want to jump to any conclusions here but it sounds like you are OK with the
homosexual agenda. Am I mistaken?

You don't want to jump, but you're going to jump.

I subscribe to that fine old American, and former conservative, value that what happens between consenting adults is generally none of the governments business, and I see those who go after private consensual sexual relationships between people they don't like, such as gays, as being moral reprobates down there with the likes of ISIS. 

Now you can play whatever games you want to with that.

[Hoodat]

I'll take that as a concession that you can not name one thing Cruz has done that
was as important to conservatives as Trumps' court appointments.

I see that logic is not your strong suit.  Do I really have to explain the idiocy of your statement?

[jpsb]

You don't want to jump, but you're going to jump.

I subscribe to that fine old American, and former conservative, value that what happens between consenting adults is generally none of the governments business, and I see those who go after private consensual sexual relationships between people they don't like, such as gays, as being moral reprobates down there with the likes of ISIS. 

Now you can play whatever games you want to with that.

I'm not playing games and I agree with you re bedroom. However the homosexual agenda has nothing to do with the bedroom. It is all about normalizing deviant behavior and criminalizing anyone who opposes that behavior.

[Oceander]

I'm not playing games and I agree with you re bedroom. However the homosexual agenda has nothing to do with the bedroom. It is all about normalizing deviant behavior and criminalizing anyone who opposes that behavior.

And Lawrence v. Texas was about keeping the government out of people's private business.  Criminalizing consensual homosexual sexual conduct between adults is what 7th century barbarians like ISIS do.

[Hoodat]

And Lawrence v. Texas was about keeping the government out of people's private business.  Criminalizing consensual homosexual sexual conduct between adults is what 7th century barbarians like ISIS do.

For the record, Georgia's sodomy law was used primarily against heterosexuals.

[jpsb]

I see that logic is not your strong suit.  Do I really have to explain the idiocy of your statement?

You wanted so and so to make a list, well fine I made a very short list but I insist that quality be taken into consideration. Cruz talks a good game but what has he really done for conservatives compared to Trump? Of course Cruz as a senator is not in a position to do as much as Trump but I am not willing to let anyone use that against Trump. Bottom line is Trump moving a conservative agenda not Cruz.

[jpsb]

And Lawrence v. Texas was about keeping the government out of people's private business.  Criminalizing consensual homosexual sexual conduct between adults is what 7th century barbarians like ISIS do.

Every civilization I am aware of had a taboo on homosexual behavior to one extent or the other. With the exception of some Greek city states. The Greeks believed that the female human was inferior to the male human. Ergo incapable of "true love" good only for sex and making babies. Only a male male relationship was capable of a higher love. So they did not place a taboo on
homosexual behavior. I haven't really studies the norms of ancient China or Egypt so I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

[jmyrlefuller]

Name one thing that Cruz has done to advance the conservative agenda that matches up
with Trumps' court appointments. The Supreme Court in particular.

He voted in favor of the same lone Supreme Court appointment Donald Trump nominated. So they're even.

[Hoodat]

You wanted so and so to make a list, well fine I made a very short list but I insist that quality be taken into consideration.

That is what is known as 'moving the goal posts'.  See: Logical Fallacies above.

Cruz talks a good game

While Trump does not.

but what has he really done for conservatives compared to Trump?

Quite a bit, actually.  Trump simply picked a name from a list, while Cruz helped compile that list.

Of course Cruz as a senator is not in a position to do as much as Trump

Correct.  Thus, the idiocy of your statement.  You grant a higher quality to Trump for being in a position to do something Cruz was not.  Yet had Cruz been in that position, he wouldn't have had to rely on a list that someone else handed him.  So it no longer becomes a question of who would appoint the more Conservative judge, but rather who won the Presidential election.  And that question does not at all address who is the more Conservative.  But then you knew that already.

but I am not willing to let anyone use that against Trump.

Wait just a damn minute.  YOU were the one who brought it up.  YOU are the one who chose to introduce this fallacy to use it against Cruz.

Bottom line is Trump moving a conservative agenda not Cruz.

LMAO!  Yeah, right.  So which part of Trump's 'conservative' [sic] agenda do you consider to be the most Conservative?  His abandonment of free trade?  His reversal on DACA?  His putting the wall on hold?  His deal with Schumer and Pelosi to do away with the debt ceiling just like Obama?

[jpsb]

He voted in favor of the same lone Supreme Court appointment Donald Trump nominated. So they're even.

He also wrote an oped praising John Roberts for being a true conservative that would never compromise himself (no bonus points for Ted). Trump has appointed more the just Gorsuch to the courts.

[Cyber Liberty]

Most excellent!      

I guess I was insulted.  I didn't even notice the "slight," such as it was, until he brought it up again.  And again.

I'd guess the three of us combined have about 50-60 years of this forum stuff, and if things like that bothered any of us we'd have collapsed from nervous breakdowns decades ago.

[jpsb]

LMAO!  Yeah, right.  So which part of Trump's 'conservative' [sic] agenda do you consider to be the most Conservative?  His abandonment of free trade?  His reversal on DACA?  His putting the wall on hold?  His deal with Schumer and Pelosi to do away with the debt ceiling just like Obama?

So called "free trade" is over rated. Disappointed with DACA but I will wait and see how it plays out. He is not putting the wall on hold, fake news. I thought the debt deal to get hurricane victims funds was smart.

[DCPatriot]

I guess I was insulted.  I didn't even notice the "slight," such as it was, until he brought it up again.  And again.

I'd guess the three of us combined have about 50-60 years of this forum stuff, and if things like that bothered any of us we'd have collapsed from nervous breakdowns decades ago.

    

[jpsb]

I guess I was insulted.  I didn't even notice the "slight," such as it was, until he brought it up again.  And again.

I'd guess the three of us combined have about 50-60 years of this forum stuff, and if things like that bothered any of us we'd have collapsed from nervous breakdowns decades ago.

I have 30, this place is peaches and cream compared to usenet news back in the day.

[Silver Pines]

I don't want to jump to any conclusions here but it sounds like you are OK with the
homosexual agenda. Am I mistaken?

@jpsb

Looks like you're a fan of Mother Jones and Daily Kos, since you're trying to promote a crap story they came up with.

[Hoodat]

He also wrote an oped praising John Roberts for being a true conservative that would never compromise himself (no bonus points for Ted).

And Trump said his sister would be a "phenomenal" Supreme Court Justice.

As for Roberts, I don't see a case where Roberts compromised himself.  Care to enlighten us?  Even with the Obamacare decision, he based it upon longstanding legal precedence, saying that plaintiff had no standing until after a tax went into effect.  I strongly suspect that if the tax case returned to the Supreme Court, he would declare it unconstitutional.  But then that is an entirely different matter.

Anyway, I will take Roberts any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Maryanne Barry.  I will never have to worry about Roberts declaring partial birth abortion a Constitutional right.

[Hoodat]

@jpsb

Looks like you're a fan of Mother Jones and Daily Kos, since you're trying to promote a crap story they came up with.

This really is no different from arguing with a liberal.

[jpsb]

And Trump said his sister would be a "phenomenal" Supreme Court Justice.

As for Roberts, I don't see a case where Roberts compromised himself.  Care to enlighten us?  Even with the Obamacare decision, he based it upon longstanding legal precedence, saying that plaintiff had no standing until after a tax went into effect.  I strongly suspect that if the tax case returned to the Supreme Court, he would declare it unconstitutional.  But then that is an entirely different matter.

Anyway, I will take Roberts any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Maryanne Barry.  I will never have to worry about Roberts declaring partial birth abortion a Constitutional right.

Sure, he rewrote Obama care so he could vote for it. If that is not a conservative judge compromising himself I don't know what would be. That is the very definition of an activist judge legislating from the bench.

[Hoodat]

Sure, he rewrote Obama care so he could vote for it.

Please show me which part he wrote.

[jpsb]

@jpsb

Looks like you're a fan of Mother Jones and Daily Kos, since you're trying to promote a crap story they came up with.

Is that all you got? Weak. True is true.