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I have 30, this place is peaches and cream compared to usenet news back in the day.

I am a veteran of Usenet too!

...starting to have deja vu.   :laugh:

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We really are on the same side, jp.  If there was a foxhole I had to be  to be in, I'd like nobody better to share it with.

NOW...we're getting somewhere!   :beer:
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Yeah, so poor that instead of dumping Obamacare, root and branch (no severability clause in that monster--now I don't see that as incompetence, but arrogance--would have meant that if part of it went, it all would have.), we got stuck with the destruction (for a lot of us) of our health care. If there are leper colonies in Hell, I hope those sh*tbirds all get a turn.

Well, yeah... But the point being, Roberts was hailed as the most Conservative thing evar.. *NOT*.
And that's a mark I hold against Cruz, btw.

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Well, yeah... But the point being, Roberts was hailed as the most Conservative thing evar.. *NOT*.
And that's a mark I hold against Cruz, btw.
Well, he looked good until he went off the beam...Way off.
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Well, he looked good until he went off the beam...Way off.

That's right. But also why I will wait and see wrt Gorsuch... I don't buy into the hype anymore.
I think it was @Chosen Daughter  that used the term 'No True North'... I find that a particularly apt descriptive. I'll see how Gorsuch's compass works before I give him credit.
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That explains A LOT!

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Very funny!   :laugh:

My experience was limited to major league baseball (Orioles newsgroup)...never politics.
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That's right. But also why I will wait and see wrt Gorsuch... I don't buy into the hype anymore.
I think it was @Chosen Daughter  that used the term 'No True North'... I find that a particularly apt descriptive. I'll see how Gorsuch's compass works before I give him credit.
888high58888 That's why I have been holding off, too.I am guardedly optimistic, with the emphasis on 'guardedly'.
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I am a veteran of Usenet too!

...starting to have deja vu.   :laugh:

Cool, I used to post in the WhiteWater group and the Rush Limba group, it was brutal. I kinda miss usenet news it was a great resource back in the day. Any time I got stuck on a programming problem I could go there and get almost immediate help.

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That explains A LOT!

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Yup, My tag line in the political groups was "Nominated: 1994 Worst Writer on the Net". and it was true!

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Because their right to have a rubber schlong is more important than the schlonging America is getting! Nothingburger should be a franchise.

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Live in harmony with one another; do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly, do not claim to be wiser than you are.  Do not repay anyone evil for evil, but take thought for what is noble in the sight of all.  If it is possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all…do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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I get that.  You define slaves your way, I define them mine.  The difference is I will have to lay out tens, or hundreds of thousands of dollars to assert my way, you can kick back and define it however you want.  The Process is the Punishment.  You have yet to address that point, and I have a whole sheet of hundred dollar bills that say you never will.

No imbalance there at all.  Nope.

Slaves.  That's what everybody who's not you has to see it. 

Can they quit baking cakes and go into some other line of business?  Then they're not slaves. 

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Cool, I used to post in the WhiteWater group and the Rush Limba group, it was brutal. I kinda miss usenet news it was a great resource back in the day. Any time I got stuck on a programming problem I could go there and get almost immediate help.

 It sure was. 

Google was just a gleam in Larry Page's eye, back then.

I belonged to the BMW 'auto' group and learned a lot about their M-series models...and fought bitterly with statheads on the baseball groups.

The statheads savaged Mike Bordick as the replacement for Cal Ripken, Jr. at shortstop, hitting .236 with an OPS of just 636 in his maiden season with the Orioles.

Today, Mike Bordick is in the Orioles' HOF, and hold the record for the best defensive shortstop in Orioles' history.  NOT Cal Ripken, Jr..

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Can they quit baking cakes and go into some other line of business?  Then they're not slaves.

LOL.  Right. 
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Can they quit baking cakes and go into some other line of business?  Then they're not slaves.

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So if I ask a bakery to add boysenberry icing to a cupcake they sell, and they refuse, then they should be ordered to pay me $135,000 at the point of a gun?

And how much higher should the fine be for a doctor who refuses to perform an abortion?
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@Oceander

So if I ask a bakery to add boysenberry icing to a cupcake they sell, and they refuse, then they should be ordered to pay me $135,000 at the point of a gun?

And how much higher should the fine be for a doctor who refuses to perform an abortion?

If you want to be silly, then have at it. 

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So if I ask a bakery to add boysenberry icing to a cupcake they sell, and they refuse, then they should be ordered to pay me $135,000 at the point of a gun?

And how much higher should the fine be for a doctor who refuses to perform an abortion?

I guess you're supposed to go get a job as a Walmart greeter after you wipe out your business paying the fine.  This is how great companies are built.
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I guess you're supposed to go get a job as a Walmart greeter after you wipe out your business paying the fine.  This is how great companies are built.

Move to a friendlier place that doesn't penalize you that way.  Or start a different business. 

I'm not arguing that it's fair, or nice, or shouldn't happen, but there is no constitutional violation in requiring a commercial business that sells custom-made cakes to sell to all reasonable customers without preference. 

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I'm not arguing that it's fair, or nice, or shouldn't happen, but there is no constitutional violation in requiring a commercial business that sells custom-made cakes to sell to all reasonable customers without preference.

Please show me the legal statute that requires a commercial bakery to put boysenberry icing on a cupcake.
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Move to a friendlier place that doesn't penalize you that way.  Or start a different business. 

I'm not arguing that it's fair, or nice, or shouldn't happen, but there is no constitutional violation in requiring a commercial business that sells custom-made cakes to sell to all reasonable customers without preference. 

Life isn't a bowl of cherry icing.

Doesn't matter in the long run.  State-sanctioned Marriage will be gone in 10-20 years anyway. :shrug:

"Freedom of Association" is already a dead letter, been on its deathbed since the 60's. 
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Doesn't matter in the long run.  State-sanctioned Marriage will be gone in 10-20 years anyway. :shrug:

"Freedom of Association" is already a dead letter, been on its deathbed since the 60's. 

One's marriage is pretty weak if the only thing standing between it and dissolution is the sanction of the government. 

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but there is no constitutional violation in requiring a commercial business that sells custom-made cakes to sell to all reasonable customers without preference.


@Oceander

So where is the legal requirement?  Where is the Oregon law that forces bakers to create cake toppings that they do not offer?

(Hint:  There isn't one)
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So where is the legal requirement?  Where is the Oregon law that forces bakers to create cake toppings that they do not offer?

(Hint:  There isn't one)

Your example is extreme, IMO.

The 'problem' seems to be in the wording and/or figurines on said cake.

If you bake cakes for profit, and you know how to read, you're bound to decorate it as the customer prefers.
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@Oceander

So where is the legal requirement?  Where is the Oregon law that forces bakers to create cake toppings that they do not offer?

(Hint:  There isn't one)

As I understand it, they flat out refused to provide the same services to a gay couple that they provided to everyone else simply because this couple was gay.  And as I understand it, that is against the law there. 

Too bad.  They should have been more up-to-date on the laws that affected their business. 

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As I understand it, they flat out refused to provide the same services to a gay couple that they provided to everyone else simply because this couple was gay.

Then you do not understand it correctly.  The bakery offers a custom set of toppings.  The couple asked for a topping that was not part of that custom set.  In other words, they demanded something that was not on the menu.  At no point did the bakery refuse to provide a cake because of the sexual preference of the customers (which is a private matter anyway and would be unknown to the bakers).


And as I understand it, that is against the law there. 

Again, your understanding is in error.  There is no Oregon law which forces a food establishment to sell something not on the menu.  Which is why your statement about there being no Constitutional violations is pointless.


Too bad.  They should have been more up-to-date on the laws that affected their business.

Perhaps you are the one who needs to be more up-to-date on the law since you are having a very difficult time identifying the law that was violated here.

Again, the couple was not denied service.  They asked for a cake.  They were sold a cake.  But the bakery refused to provide a topping on the cake that they did not offer.

So back to the cupcake example.  If I purchase a cupcake from a baker who refuses to put boysenberry icing on it, should they be required to pay me $135,000 at the point of a gun?
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