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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #75 on: September 15, 2017, 06:14:47 pm »
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Where you see a problem I see an opportunity.  Trump will respond to the will of the people.  I'd greatly prefer he listens to conservatives than liberals.

Not the will of this particular person he won't!  Unless you can somehow convince him to keep his promise and unleash the DOJ on ALL of the lawlessness that occurred in Washington over the last eight years that is!  Until he does that he is not responding to my will!
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #76 on: September 15, 2017, 06:15:58 pm »
I like gesticulate: Trump die hard supporters are gesticulating wildly, in a failed effort to convince themselves that Trump has not veered from the platform that carried him to victory in 2016.

It is called holding Trump accountable for the promises he made during the campaign. Should Trump break his core promises on immigration/wall his supporters will abandon him and he will be a failed one term president.

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #77 on: September 15, 2017, 06:30:54 pm »

A damn fine SC justice.
Reduce govt regulations
Support for the military
A President who actually likes America

How bout those lemons for starters?

A damn fine SC justice. = TBD - Roberts on point. He was once considered 'damn fine'.

Reduce govt regulations = TBD - Reducing regulations does pretty much nothing without repealing Obamacare. And single payer (which Tump endorses) infinitely worse than any regulation otherwise. And EOs reducing regulations are temporary.

Support for the military = TBD - His saber rattling may well get us into something our military would rather not have to deal with.

A President who actually likes America = His myopic NYC liberal view thereof... whee.

So... bupkis.

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #78 on: September 15, 2017, 06:32:43 pm »
Given that 54% of the electorate didn't vote for him, if you're right,  the "opportunity" might just be greater for the liberals than for conservatives.

... of the voting population. More like 74% didn't vote for him.

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #79 on: September 15, 2017, 06:34:59 pm »

He knew what the will of the people was concerning Obamacare, and the wall, and defunding Planned Parenthood, etc.  Look how all of that turned out.  I see no reason to believe he'll change.

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How all of that turned out was that the Senate failed to pass legislation despite the President's hard work pushing them to do so...but the constitution is clear, congress makes the law and the President simply enforces it. Its not "him" who needs to change, its the ineptitude of GOP Senate leadership that does...you seem to want a President who can dictate laws directly, which sounds like a horrible idea.

Put simply, you're ire is misdirected.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #80 on: September 15, 2017, 06:35:59 pm »
How all of that turned out was that the Senate failed to pass legislation despite the President's hard work pushing them to do so...but the constitution is clear, congress makes the law and the President simply enforces it. Its not "him" who needs to change, its the ineptitude of GOP Senate leadership that does...you seem to want a President who can dictate laws directly, which sounds like a horrible idea.

Put simply, you're ire is misdirected.

The buck always stops at the top. Or should.

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #81 on: September 15, 2017, 06:37:39 pm »
My problem with NAFTA and all the so called free trade agreements is that they weren't about free trade.  They were about sucking as many jobs and money out of the US.    Along with it goes our intellectual property.  We are giving away every advantage we have and getting nothing in return.

If you think we are getting shafted by having a free trade policy, I suggest you go anywhere in the world where tariffs are high and see if you like it there better:

http://www.businessinsider.com/wef-countries-with-highest-trade-tarrifs-2016-10/#19-brazil-115--brazil-has-high-tariffs-on-imports-but-this-hasnt-helped-the-country-balance-large-current-account-and-government-deficits-1

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #82 on: September 15, 2017, 06:39:16 pm »
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #83 on: September 15, 2017, 06:41:52 pm »
My problem with NAFTA and all the so called free trade agreements is that they weren't about free trade.  They were about sucking as many jobs and money out of the US.

Complete unadulterated union bullshit.  Our exports to Mexico have increased fivefold since NAFTA was enacted.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #84 on: September 15, 2017, 06:43:00 pm »
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A damn fine SC justice.
Reduce govt regulations
Support for the military
A President who actually likes America

How bout those lemons for starters?

Starters?  What if that is all there is?   If Trump is lurching left, we'll be saddled with yet more unsustainable debt which will eventually destroy us (from within).  It's not a matter of if....it's a matter of when.

Allowing a path to citizenship for DACA recipients, including the right to vote, will only encourage others to come here illegally and get on the public dole, thus pushing us closer to that chasm.  We simply can't afford it.  Not now, probably not ever.

Tax reform seems to be a real long shot at this point, too, especially when the only tax reform Trump seems to be interested in is the usual leftist/Democrat "targeted tax cuts" bullcrap.  Not going to work OR help our economy to "punish the rich".  It trickles down.

I could go on....but don't look now... those scant few lemons we've been handed are going rancid.

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #85 on: September 15, 2017, 06:47:29 pm »
How all of that turned out was that the Senate failed to pass legislation despite the President's hard work pushing them to do so...but the constitution is clear, congress makes the law and the President simply enforces it. Its not "him" who needs to change, its the ineptitude of GOP Senate leadership that does...you seem to want a President who can dictate laws directly, which sounds like a horrible idea.

Put simply, you're ire is misdirected.

No.  I suspect that what she wants is a President that can and will follow through on all of his campaign promises (brags) on what great deals he would make as president and how we on the right would get 'tired of winning' from those great deals.   When is THAT going to start?  Still looking for any "great deal".  Anybody?
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #86 on: September 15, 2017, 06:47:37 pm »
It is called holding Trump accountable for the promises he made during the campaign. Should Trump break his core promises on immigration/wall his supporters will abandon him and he will be a failed one term president.

Trump's core promise on immigration was to deport all illegals and then immediately expedite their return granting them legal status.  If Trump fails to do this, do you really think his supporters will abandon him?  Or maybe they are just too stupid to know what Trump actually said.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #87 on: September 15, 2017, 06:52:01 pm »
Given that 54% of the electorate didn't vote for him, if you're right,  the "opportunity" might just be greater for the liberals than for conservatives.

As @AbaraXas noted upthread "Populism is just another form of socialism dressed up in a nationalistic and protectionist banner. It is a nationalist socialism instead of an internationalist socialism."

The reality is that a far greater percentage of the people lean towards liberalism than they realize or would admit. I was told that "there are a lot of kinds of conservatives" and my reply was "there are only conservatives and all others are something else".

I really am a Luddite in many respects. I view the majority of people in this country as willing adherents to the politics of ignorance and the true political spectrum of the people is accurately represented like this:


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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #88 on: September 15, 2017, 06:55:07 pm »
Ann Coulter is probably responsible for more people turning liberal than any other conservative. She's a disgusting woman.

It saddens me so much to think that the young lady who got me into conservative activism in college has turned into this.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #89 on: September 15, 2017, 06:57:22 pm »
Reduce govt regulations = TBD - Reducing regulations does pretty much nothing without repealing Obamacare. And single payer (which Tump endorses) infinitely worse than any regulation otherwise. And EOs reducing regulations are temporary.

One interesting effect of the "to pass a regulation you have to delete two" is that EPA has decided not to push through some planned regulations that would have eased burdens on businesses (specifically, property developers and owners) because it would mean having to figure out what others to eliminate.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #90 on: September 15, 2017, 06:57:24 pm »

He knew what the will of the people was concerning Obamacare, and the wall, and defunding Planned Parenthood, etc.  Look how all of that turned out.  I see no reason to believe he'll change.

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Has a bill for any of the above been put on his desk?
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #91 on: September 15, 2017, 07:01:17 pm »
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Has a bill for any of the above been put on his desk?

Has he held a press conference publicly scolding the GOP for not putting anything relative on his desk?

And no, a couple of tweets isn't gonna cut it.

He could have told the GOP either put something of my agenda on my desk for me to sign or I'm taking it to the people.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #92 on: September 15, 2017, 07:01:29 pm »
Donald Trump doesn't care about what you or I think.  He'll go in whatever direction he thinks will bring him praise and positive media coverage.  That's just the way he is.  How do people on a message board affect that?  How can anything we post push him anywhere?

Why does criticizing a politician when he messes up make one a "loser?"  The alternative is to shut up and pretend everything's all right when it sure as hell isn't.
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Actually, I do think he'd respond to criticism, if he found that all the accolades ceased when he veered left.  But those on their knees before him refuse to get up, so he has no reason to stop moving left.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #93 on: September 15, 2017, 07:01:46 pm »
Has a bill for any of the above been put on his desk?
Good point. Congress - specifically, the GOP leadership - is responsible for many of the failures being attributed to the president. (I am not addressing why he and the GOP leaders can't work together for the good of the country; that's a whole 'nother can of worms). Some things just require legislation, and Congress has failed miserably.

 If we're going to assign blame, let's do it fairly and honestly, and I'm guessing there's plenty to go around - Congress and the White House.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #94 on: September 15, 2017, 07:08:56 pm »
Has he held a press conference publicly scolding the GOP for not putting anything relative on his desk?

And no, a couple of tweets isn't gonna cut it.

He could have told the GOP either put something of my agenda on my desk for me to sign or I'm taking it to the people.

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He's ignorant of the normal process and the GOP sure so t gonna help.  All he knows is twitter.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #95 on: September 15, 2017, 07:09:48 pm »
Good point. Congress - specifically, the GOP leadership - is responsible for many of the failures being attributed to the president. (I am not addressing why he and the GOP leaders can't work together for the good of the country; that's a whole 'nother can of worms). Some things just require legislation, and Congress has failed miserably.

 If we're going to assign blame, let's do it fairly and honestly, and I'm guessing there's plenty to go around - Congress and the White House.

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« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2017, 07:13:00 pm »
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Has a bill for any of the above been put on his desk?

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No.  Has he been calling for one?  Traveling and/or on TV, selling his case to the American people?  You know, the way presidents do?

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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #97 on: September 15, 2017, 07:16:49 pm »
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No.  Has he been calling for one?  Traveling and/or on TV, selling his case to the American people?  You know, the way presidents do?

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That cannot be a serious question.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #98 on: September 15, 2017, 07:18:42 pm »
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That cannot be a serious question.

It is only if you want to draw a distinction between Trump and his predecessor.
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Re: Ann Coulter on Trump: I Bet on a Loser
« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2017, 07:21:56 pm »
I too am very glad that Hillary is not in the Whitehouse, but I sure would have preferred an ethical Constitutionalist to Trump.
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