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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #125 on: September 14, 2017, 03:05:14 pm »
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Perhaps because the liberals have controlled our nations schools for decades while conservatives sit back and fight each other over who's a more perfect conservative.

Why is conservative better?   'because' isn't a viable answer

@driftdiver

Stop.  That's a complete mischaracterization.  What we are doing is ripping a so-called Republican president for caving to the Democrats and revealing himself to be one at heart.  Huge difference.


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« Reply #126 on: September 14, 2017, 03:06:54 pm »

Sorry, I don't take confessions.

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Says the guy who was throwing around accusations of emotion.   Not gonna work.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #127 on: September 14, 2017, 03:12:29 pm »
@jpsb


David Limbaugh‏ @DavidLimbaugh  28m28 minutes ago

 So far, Trump has avoided accountability to his base and is moving to appease his sworn enemies. Never has a “base” been more forgiving.


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President Trump: Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell "agree with us on DACA" http://cnn.it/2fkCqwu


Stephen Miller‏Verified account @redsteeze  1h1 hour ago
Stephen Miller Retweeted CNN Politics

"Agree with us"

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If Trump does an amnesty he will be a failed one term president. Immigration is what elected Trump if he breaks his promises it will be his "Read My Lips movement".
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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #128 on: September 14, 2017, 03:16:18 pm »
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Agreed.  Remember, he met with a bunch of "dreamers" a couple of years ago and said they'd convinced him.

The hints, the signs that Trump's promises would be broken have always been there.  Trump has all but hit his supporters over the head,  telling them his campaign was phony baloney, but his most rabid fans close their eyes and ears. They have so wanted to believe Teump was their savior, that he was for real.  But the guy was a reality TV star. He became a master at making fans believe what wasn't real.  Why would his fans think his campaign and his presidency was anything more than just another reality show?

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #129 on: September 14, 2017, 03:16:19 pm »
@driftdiver

Stop.  That's a complete mischaracterization.  What we are doing is ripping a so-called Republican president for caving to the Democrats and revealing himself to be one at heart.  Huge difference.

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Sorry but from my vantage that is exactly whats happening.   So called conservatives sit back and insult other conservatives while claiming to be blessed by God.  Others throw insults because of a minor differences.   Anyone uttering the filthy word "compromise" is immediately set upon.

What exactly do you expect Trump to do?  The GOP won't work with him and so called conservatives heap blame on him for the failure of Congress, all while ignoring Congress.   Like anyone he wants to be successful.  The GOP who can't even get out of their own way wants him to fail.  Thats all they've been successful at so far.   Should he play along and let them dictate his success or failure?
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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #130 on: September 14, 2017, 03:17:12 pm »
@CatherineofAragon

If Trump does an amnesty he will be a failed one term president. Immigration is what elected Trump if he breaks his promises it will be his "Read My Lips movement".

@jpsb

I agree with you.  But I don't believe he ever intended to build a wall.  He tweeted that the "wall" is already under construction in the form of renovation of old fences and walls.

So now it's pretty much "build that replacement fencing."

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #131 on: September 14, 2017, 03:17:21 pm »
Trump did.

During the campaign.

I guess you forgot.

As usual Trump supporters demonstrate short-term memory problems for whatever their prince utters in the moment.

"We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties, in which he defied federal law and the constitution to give amnesty to approximately 5 million illegal immigrants," Trump said at a campaign event in August 2016, promising to end DACA as well as Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents." - Trump, August 2016

I'm pretty sure he even said that was going to a be "Day 1" thing he was going to do.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #132 on: September 14, 2017, 03:21:33 pm »
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Sorry but from my vantage that is exactly whats happening.   So called conservatives sit back and insult other conservatives while claiming to be blessed by God.  Others throw insults because of a minor differences.   Anyone uttering the filthy word "compromise" is immediately set upon.

Who claims  to be blessed by God?  Haven't seen that.

Trump is selling you out.  I don't understand why you can't face it.

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What exactly do you expect Trump to do?  The GOP won't work with him and so called conservatives heap blame on him for the failure of Congress, all while ignoring Congress.   Like anyone he wants to be successful.  The GOP who can't even get out of their own way wants him to fail.  Thats all they've been successful at so far.   Should he play along and let them dictate his success or failure?

As president, he should be selling his agenda to the people, pulling the GOP along with him.  He's not doing that.  He'd rather cave to Democrats because it gets him good press and because he really has no ideology.

During the primaries and the election, Trump was the ultimate alpha, the guy who was going to crush the media and bend the GOP to his will.  How did he become the helpless victim who's at the mercy of everyone else?

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #133 on: September 14, 2017, 03:24:55 pm »
On this issue, at least, there is very little about President Trump that resembles candidate Trump.

Yeah, those who read between the lines always had their doubts, but just admit it - Trump was happy to leave everyone with the impression that he was gonna finally get serious about illegal immigration when clearly he had no intention of doing so.

Your honesty on this is noticed and appreciated.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #134 on: September 14, 2017, 03:29:43 pm »
Seriously I wanna know who the chumps are that expect politicians to do anything but lie. 

Cause I have a bridge to sell them.

Who cares what they said to get elected, I care what they do NOW.

How do you decide who to vote for then?  The only criteria that leaves is whoever that politician is, isn't the other politician.  In this case, he wasn't Hillary.  That doesn't mean he won't come in and do exactly what Hillary would do.  If that's how you want to vote no one can stop you, but at least be kind enough to admit that what they're doing NOW isn't what they said they were going to do.

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« Reply #135 on: September 14, 2017, 03:32:03 pm »
The hints, the signs that Trump's promises would be broken have always been there.  Trump has all but hit his supporters over the head,  telling them his campaign was phony baloney, but his most rabid fans close their eyes and ears. They have so wanted to believe Teump was their savior, that he was for real.  But the guy was a reality TV star. He became a master at making fans believe what wasn't real.  Why would his fans think his campaign and his presidency was anything more than just another reality show?

@Applewood

It was right out there all the time...his history of lying, his admitted practice of telling people what they want to hear, etc.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #136 on: September 14, 2017, 03:39:17 pm »
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Sorry but from my vantage that is exactly whats happening.   So called conservatives sit back and insult other conservatives while claiming to be blessed by God.  Others throw insults because of a minor differences.   Anyone uttering the filthy word "compromise" is immediately set upon.

What exactly do you expect Trump to do?  The GOP won't work with him and so called conservatives heap blame on him for the failure of Congress, all while ignoring Congress.   Like anyone he wants to be successful.  The GOP who can't even get out of their own way wants him to fail.  Thats all they've been successful at so far.   Should he play along and let them dictate his success or failure?

Uhhhh..... what you seem to be implying here....

is that it's ok and even reasonable for Trump, if he can't get full support from the GOP, to cross over to the rat side and work with Democrats, AGAINST the conservative agenda.  Is that what you're saying?  Really???

No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #137 on: September 14, 2017, 03:42:16 pm »
@endicom

Says the guy who was throwing around accusations of emotion.   Not gonna work.


You are very good at fabricating what you wish to be.



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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #138 on: September 14, 2017, 03:45:03 pm »
Never believe numbers from the Marxist media. As I have said before I am fine with working something out for those brought here years ago as small children. This is the only country they know. However those that have arrived here recently, like all the ones Obama "invited" in his last couple of years go home. No exceptions.

You realize that is going to be all of them, don't you? And massive hordes more trying to get in the door to take advantage of the new amnesty? How do you prove when an illegal alien entered the country? How do you prove how he entered the country?


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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #139 on: September 14, 2017, 03:45:27 pm »
@driftdiver

Who claims  to be blessed by God?  Haven't seen that.

Trump is selling you out.  I don't understand why you can't face it.

As president, he should be selling his agenda to the people, pulling the GOP along with him.  He's not doing that.  He'd rather cave to Democrats because it gets him good press and because he really has no ideology.

During the primaries and the election, Trump was the ultimate alpha, the guy who was going to crush the media and bend the GOP to his will.  How did he become the helpless victim who's at the mercy of everyone else?

And....lest we forget..... his entire family (and probably all his 'real' friends, too) are cheering him AS he lurches left.  That's the kind of approval most people would be hard-pressed to "pass up" getting or seeking.  Yet another reason WHY I didn't vote for him.  My biggest fear, based on all of those facts, was that he would lurch left and extend his index finger to anyone (and everyone) on the right..... reverting back to his liberal proclivities past.

No quarter given to the enemy within...ever.

You can vote your way into socialism, but you have to shoot your way out of it.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #140 on: September 14, 2017, 03:48:21 pm »
You realize that is going to be all of them, don't you? And massive hordes more trying to get in the door to take advantage of the new amnesty? How do you prove when an illegal alien entered the country? How do you prove how he entered the country?

Quite interested in hearing how the Trump faction explains how this will not be amnesty. 

Excellent example of how this has become orange quicksand
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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #141 on: September 14, 2017, 03:52:49 pm »
You mean DJT said something contradictory?  /s

No... Merely disingenuous. :P

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #142 on: September 14, 2017, 03:57:33 pm »
No wall

Later...will never come.

YEP. Been there, done that.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #143 on: September 14, 2017, 04:02:30 pm »
Your honesty on this is noticed and appreciated.

I've been trying to remain positive, but this smells like betrayal.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #144 on: September 14, 2017, 04:04:15 pm »
Seriously I wanna know who the chumps are that expect politicians to do anything but lie. 

Cause I have a bridge to sell them.

Who cares what they said to get elected, I care what they do NOW.

If one looks to their record instead of their election year promises, LIKE CONSERVATIVES DO, you'd be able to readily predict the outcome, and have a decent bet going forward.

That is the folly of pragmatism. Letting these idiots blow smoke up your skirt and then being surprised when it isn't true.

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« Reply #145 on: September 14, 2017, 04:05:19 pm »

You are very good at fabricating what you wish to be.

@endicom, where's the fabrication?  I'm coming down on Trump for lying and for suckering his base, and you call that "hate."  To avoid being a hater, then, I'd have to keep shut and pretend it's all right.

Help me out here.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #146 on: September 14, 2017, 04:06:59 pm »
Why should the Pub party be saved. They've lied and cheated us for decades. They finally have a majority across the board and still won't fulfill any of their major party platform promises.

They don't deserve our support.

So teaming up with the Dems and pushing the very amnesty that we've been fighting against tooth and nail for decades is the answer? SHEESH.


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« Reply #147 on: September 14, 2017, 04:07:35 pm »
And....lest we forget..... his entire family (and probably all his 'real' friends, too) are cheering him AS he lurches left.  That's the kind of approval most people would be hard-pressed to "pass up" getting or seeking.  Yet another reason WHY I didn't vote for him.  My biggest fear, based on all of those facts, was that he would lurch left and extend his index finger to anyone (and everyone) on the right..... reverting back to his liberal proclivities past.

@XenaLee

That's true, and his family consists of liberal Democrats.


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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #148 on: September 14, 2017, 04:09:47 pm »
So called conservatives sit back and insult other conservatives while claiming to be blessed by God.  Others throw insults because of a minor differences.   Anyone uttering the filthy word "compromise" is immediately set upon.

That is what happens when you demand people rally around a politician and/or party for power's sake instead of rallying around those that embody principles. 

Principles come first, the rest follow.

But you people didn't want to hear it.

You still don't.  You're invested in a cult of personality whose fruits were diametrically opposed to limited government, expansion of personal liberty and fiscal responsibility.

Instead you fell for promises of retribution, payback, revenge, rollback, repeal and populist promises which the Republican party and Trump have completely reneged upon.

Still you make excuses and demand fealty to a man and party who demonstrate they are faithless and hold the ideals of limited government in contempt.


What exactly do you expect Trump to do?  The GOP won't work with him and so called conservatives heap blame on him for the failure of Congress, all while ignoring Congress.   

That's a lie.  Conservatives have specifically blamed Congress for enabling Obama's agenda and refusing to repeal O'Care.  We've pointed out McConnell and Ryan - and we get disparaged for not 'being unified behind the party' and 'handing the Democrats a victory' for attacking the feckless GOP.

Trump went out of his way to make himself an enemy of the Republican Party leadership and especially Conservatives - which was cheered by his mobs of acolytes.  Draining the swamp now means to work with Democrats and hand them our wallets, of which GOP party hacks and the Trump faithful now lecture us is necessary because of an intransigent party.

Like anyone he wants to be successful.  The GOP who can't even get out of their own way wants him to fail.  Thats all they've been successful at so far.   Should he play along and let them dictate his success or failure?

And what is the definition of success?  Certainly 'winning' is not returning to limited government, fiscal responsibility, stopping illegal immigration, jailing Hildabeast or repealing O'Care.   Trump getting 'wins' in his column is now relegated to anyone he can compromise with on anything and make declarations about what a great leader he is, even when it is defacto amnesty - one of the key issues he promised he would stop and "repeal immediately" upon talking office.

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Re: Schumer, Pelosi say deal reached with Trump for DACA protections
« Reply #149 on: September 14, 2017, 04:12:20 pm »
That is, of course, the desired end result and the method behind the madness of the DemocRats.  Just like.... single-payer is still the desired end result behind the madness of ObamaCare.  The problem is... most people don't see several moves ahead like the rats/leftists always do.  If America falls, it will be due to massive stupidity and that very same tunnel vision inability to 'see clearly'.

No, ultimately it is about tearing down the culture and imploding the country, so that a new glorious communist nation can emerge phoenix like from the ashes. More liberal votes are just a mechanism.

This is serious business and people are busy arranging deck chairs.