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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2017, 04:51:37 pm »
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Again I ask what "agenda"?

Seriously?  Where have you been??

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2017, 04:52:48 pm »
I'm sorry to hear this @INVAR  But Donald Trump is a "doer" not a poltician... and he's going to get his agenda through with or without you.

The President learned a valuable lesson from the Obamacare repeal disaster thanks to his Republican "team" and he is not going to forget it. And neither will Republican voters.

Rare is the CEO who gives his major players a second chance to screw up his plans.  It just doesn't happen.  They're either removed or marginalized to the hinterland. That's life---in Realsville.  ^-^


I think the phrase you are looking for is he is from the government and he is here to help.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #27 on: September 13, 2017, 04:53:15 pm »
Seriously?  Where have you been??

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Right here! And for the third time I ask what "agenda"?
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2017, 05:00:39 pm »
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Right here! And for the third time I ask what "agenda"?

I am sorry @Bigun that you had to ask three times ... but I do have other things to do.

I'll be happy to answer your question, but first .... you must tell me what I win for answering the same question for the 1,000th time since June 16, 2015.  (Make it something gold and sparkly .... and I'll add bullet points   :laugh:)   

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2017, 05:01:03 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Right here! And for the third time I ask what "agenda"?

I suggest reading this.



Here is a bit of a hint, it is not Conservative. It is classic populism sprinkled with a lot of Clinton era Democrat policies and some streaks of Pat Buchanan.

It is also not what he 'sold' everyone during the last campaign (but it was similar to his campaign run in 2000).


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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2017, 05:08:18 pm »
I'm sorry to hear this @INVAR  But Donald Trump is a "doer" not a poltician... and he's going to get his agenda through with or without you.

The President learned a valuable lesson from the Obamacare repeal disaster thanks to his Republican "team" and he is not going to forget it. And neither will Republican voters.

Rare is the CEO who gives his major players a second chance to screw up his plans.  It just doesn't happen.  They're either removed or marginalized to the hinterland. That's life---in Realsville.  ^-^

Yes, thank God Trump is helping to push through his agenda of spending more and more and more money.  Very conservative of him.

https://www.thestreet.com/story/13673229/1/donald-trump-says-the-u-s-should-be-borrowing-money-is-he-right.html

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2017, 05:09:40 pm »
Because the Democrats leftist agenda is what Republicans and Trump should be supporting.  It's all about the art of the deal, donchaknow.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2017, 05:19:50 pm »
I'm sorry to hear this @INVAR  But Donald Trump is a "doer" not a poltician...

You are just making me laugh out loud in absolute incredulity.  You put Baghdad Bob to shame.

and he's going to get his agenda through with or without you.

He'll get his Nationalist Socialist Populism through without me for certain.  I regard Trump in the same way I did Obama.  The only difference is that Trump doesn't hate the country, he just has absolutely no comprehension or understanding of the foundational principles that forged it.  So he'll bulldoze ahead with Socialist Populism that the adoring throngs will cheer and applause, even when he hands our wallets over to Pelosi and Schumer, as evidenced in the discussion about Trump's caucusing with the Democrats now.

No surprise of course to those of us who understood his lifelong NYC Liberalism.

And neither will Republican voters.

Until they wake up from their battered wife syndrome stupor and stop voting for the Oligarchy Duopoly, we are all Socialists now Comrade.

That's life---in Realsville.  ^-^

As it is in Pyongyang, Caracas, Beijing, Managua and other 'People's Republiks'.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2017, 05:21:43 pm »
I am sorry @Bigun that you had to ask three times ... but I do have other things to do.

I'll be happy to answer your question, but first .... you must tell me what I win for answering the same question for the 1,000th time since June 16, 2015.  (Make it something gold and sparkly .... and I'll add bullet points   :laugh:)   

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@Right_in_Virginia

Instead of suffocating while waiting for you to answer my question I went and found this.

Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.16daa08e3970

Now tell me which of those 76 things you think ANY congressional democrat is going to help him with?
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2017, 05:49:00 pm »
I suggest reading this.



Here is a bit of a hint, it is not Conservative. It is classic populism sprinkled with a lot of Clinton era Democrat policies and some streaks of Pat Buchanan.

It is also not what he 'sold' everyone during the last campaign (but it was similar to his campaign run in 2000).

It's "Conservative" now according to our resident Trump acolytes who beat their chests exclaiming Trump is the greatest Conservative president in our lifetimes while claiming Trump is winning with his 'agenda' - of which we have yet to see any evidence of outside of one SCOTUS nominee being named and confirmed.

It's the 'NeoConservatism' of Populism, Socialism and Nationalism all mixed together in a satisfying broth of payback, protectionism and propaganda that "our side" eagerly laps up while they celebrate the same Statism Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Schumer were pushing - but now that it's Trump thumb's upping the same agenda - they embrace it eagerly.

We're all Socialists now.

Trump leads the way.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2017, 05:51:19 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Instead of suffocating while waiting for you to answer my question I went and found this.

Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.16daa08e3970

Now tell me which of those 76 things you think ANY congressional democrat is going to help him with?

I'm pretty sure they would help with Numbers 8 and 11.   :laugh:

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #36 on: September 13, 2017, 05:56:41 pm »
Now that Trump’s been President for over 6 months, I’ve tried to get my Trump-supporter friends to specifically identify the “Trump Agenda” and to grade his performance against it to date.  Some will talk in generalities about job creation and MAGA, but most are reluctant to be specific.  Given how fast the broken promises are occurring, I’m not all that surprised at that.   Many of his signature policies are nowhere: “Lock her up”, Mexico paying the wall, naming China a currency manipulator, “draining the swamp”.  I suspect many Trump supporters are reluctant to identify other signature policies for fear of him similarly abandoning those.  With Bannon gone and with this deal with the Democrats, many are concerned that the “Trump Agenda” will move more and more to the left.  I just don't think Trump supporters want to articulate that even though many are thinking that the writing is on the wall.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #37 on: September 13, 2017, 06:08:15 pm »
Of post-WWII Presidents elected to second terms, only Obama failed to gain a GREATER % vote share the second term.

Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, Clinton and BushII won bigger the second time.

Eisenhower, (55.2 then 57.4), Nixon (43.4 then 60.7), Reagan (50.7 then 58.8), Clinton (43.0 then 49.2), BushII (47.9 then 50.7) and Obama (52.9 then 51.1).

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I'm still amazed, Survey and Polls are bad unless...............And as to your second term stats?so far. Records are made to be broken. 


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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2017, 06:08:36 pm »
I'm sorry to hear this @INVAR  But Donald Trump is a "doer" not a poltician... and he's going to get his agenda through with or without you.

The President learned a valuable lesson from the Obamacare repeal disaster thanks to his Republican "team" and he is not going to forget it. And neither will Republican voters.

Rare is the CEO who gives his major players a second chance to screw up his plans.  It just doesn't happen.  They're either removed or marginalized to the hinterland. That's life---in Realsville.  ^-^
I don''t live in this mythical realsville y'all keep talking about. I live in North Dakota. Where if the weather doesn't kill you or your job doesn't, or some stupid government policy dumped on you from 2000 miles away, you might have the privilege of dying of old age.
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Nah, I don't even see him as a good CEO.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2017, 06:14:44 pm »
I am sorry @Bigun that you had to ask three times ... but I do have other things to do.

I'll be happy to answer your question, but first .... you must tell me what I win for answering the same question for the 1,000th time since June 16, 2015.  (Make it something gold and sparkly .... and I'll add bullet points   :laugh:)   

I'll check back later this afternoon.   888high58888
I'd ask you again, too, but you are only interested in ducking the discussion, and will not answer a serious question with a serious answer. It seems I was accused of something like that a few days ago as an excuse for you to disengage, claiming no one wanted to talk about an issue seriously.

Well, here's you chance. Just what is Trump's agenda?
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2017, 06:16:34 pm »
I'm pretty sure they would help with Numbers 8 and 11.   :laugh:
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Did they leave two words out of his quote in #11................"I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women." Aren't the words hands onmissing?


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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2017, 06:17:54 pm »
Just what is Trump's agenda?

I'd venture to guess it is whatever Trump says it is at any given moment, or more likely it is whatever his adoring throngs graft to him in ever-increasing levels of absurdity to massage and placate the blind belief that he is going to be that messianic figure they want so desperately for him to be.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2017, 06:17:55 pm »
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....That's life---in Realsville.  ^-^


(from another thread that was locked)

I live in realville, I have to go along with massive increases in spending....

I live in realville, I have to go along with accepting government run healthcare....

I live in realville, I have to give up many of my rights to be secure....

I live in realville, I must accept that guns are dangerous and I should give mine up so they don't fall into the wrong hands....

I live in realville, I must accept government restrictions on my speech so as to not offend anyone....

I live in realville, I must acknowledge the danger of global climate change and my impact to it and allow the government to restrict what I do for the sake of the children....

I live in realville, I must give up all that I believe and trust the government to fix all my problems....


At some point, we are going to find 'realville' looks a whole lot like A Brave New World.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2017, 06:19:13 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Instead of suffocating while waiting for you to answer my question I went and found this.

Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.16daa08e3970

Now tell me which of those 76 things you think ANY congressional democrat is going to help him with?
There is this, too, which includes the promises Mother Jones rounded up as well as the Post list.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.0.html

Silly me, I just assumed that wasn't his agenda (at this point), but a collection of campaign promises, worth their weight in exhaled air.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2017, 06:19:13 pm »
@RoosGirl
Did they leave two words out of his quote in #11................"I will take care of women, and I have great respect for women. I do cherish women, and I will take care of women." Aren't the words hands onmissing?



Billy Jeff there to lend more than just moral support along with their mutual pal Epstein.

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2017, 06:20:16 pm »
I'd ask you again, too, but you are only interested in ducking the discussion, and will not answer a serious question with a serious answer. It seems I was accused of something like that a few days ago as an excuse for you to disengage, claiming no one wanted to talk about an issue seriously.

Well, here's you chance. Just what is Trump's agenda?

Success?  Agenda item.

Failure?  Just said that to get people's blood pumping during the campaign.  Everyone knew he wasn't going to do that.
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2017, 06:25:03 pm »
"Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats"

Most (probably, might have been a plurality) voters (that voted) voted for HRC.  So why wouldn't most voters want POTUS to work with the Dems?
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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #47 on: September 13, 2017, 06:36:11 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Instead of suffocating while waiting for you to answer my question I went and found this.

Here are 76 of Donald Trump’s many campaign promises

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/22/here-are-76-of-donald-trumps-many-campaign-promises/?utm_term=.16daa08e3970

Now tell me which of those 76 things you think ANY congressional democrat is going to help him with?

He already made good on # 24

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Re: Most Voters Welcome Trump’s Outreach to Congressional Democrats
« Reply #49 on: September 13, 2017, 09:25:05 pm »
There is this, too, which includes the promises Mother Jones rounded up as well as the Post list.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,233460.0.html

Silly me, I just assumed that wasn't his agenda (at this point), but a collection of campaign promises, worth their weight in exhaled air.

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I looked all over hell for that this morning before I resorted to just doing a google.

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