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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2017, 05:16:05 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 05:07:04 pm
Thank God the Wise and Powerful Trump extended the debt limit for 3 months.  Just thank God.

The GOP congressional leadership wanted 18 months.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2017, 05:29:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 11, 2017, 05:16:05 pm
The GOP congressional leadership wanted 18 months.

As did Trump's Treasury Secretary.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 05:33:07 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 11, 2017, 05:16:05 pm
The GOP congressional leadership wanted 18 months.

Yep.

How would a line item veto work on something like that?  Anyone know?
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2017, 05:38:24 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 05:33:07 pm
Yep.

How would a line item veto work on something like that?  Anyone know?

No such thing anymore.

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 11, 2017, 05:16:05 pm
The GOP congressional leadership wanted 18 months.

Yes, because each and every one of us can call our credit card company and get an 18th month extension on having our over-the-line credit limit raised to whatever we feel like spending.

I'm beginning to think the Democrats can't hold a candle to the insane Big Government Socialism and irresponsible malfeasance the Republican party is demonstrating.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2017, 05:41:06 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on September 11, 2017, 05:38:24 pm
No such thing anymore.



Ok, thanks, wasn't aware of that.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2017, 06:03:37 pm »
Delayed reaction..... LMAO! 

(sorry)

I just find it funny when emotions are attributed to something like a hurricane (ie Irma's "wrath").  Like a female forecaster that recently claimed of Irma... that hurricanes don't "like" going over land....they prefer water......lolol.

To liberals, everything is emotion-based, after all. 
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #31 on: September 11, 2017, 06:08:29 pm »
Quote from: DCPatriot on September 11, 2017, 02:50:46 pm
The irony here is that President Trump, played politics with said relief, so that victims in Red States won't be 'victims' in political games.

Plus, he showing us all how a businessman/leader sets priorities when it comes to natural disasters and the relief to follow.

BTW....find it fascinating that this never even registers to the average Never Trumper.   ...so blinded by the hate, they are.

I live in Friendswood and my parents, about a mile away, had 18" of flood water.  I/ we don't need an increase in the debt ceiling.  We need FEMA authorization.  Even at a few billion $, the debt increase is pure politics, with no regard for flood victims
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2017, 06:09:53 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on September 11, 2017, 04:22:38 pm
Come on dear, you know the truth of their mindset as well as I do:  if you did not vote for Trump - and you do not cheer, salute and support him now and every single thing he does and says, then you are a Hillary supporter and NOT a Conservative.  We were told that ad-infinitum.

It's the same bullshit one gets from those who insist that if you do not support the pope - you are not a Christian at all.

Their mindset has been to demonize real conservatives here AND  to demonize and bashTed Cruz, whom we real conservatives all supported in the primary.   I definitely am a 'real conservative' but I guess I'm not really a 'real Christian'.... since I am becoming convinced that this pope is the False Prophet spoken of in Revelations.  He fits the description more and more every day.  I'm just wondering who and where his b-buddy, the Anti-Christ, is right about now.  Don't see anyone that charismatic...yet.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2017, 06:18:02 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on September 11, 2017, 06:09:53 pm
Their mindset has been to demonize real conservatives here AND  to demonize and bashTed Cruz, whom we real conservatives all supported in the primary.   I definitely am a 'real conservative' but I guess I'm not really a 'real Christian'.... since I am becoming convinced that this pope is the False Prophet spoken of in Revelations.  He fits the description more and more every day.  I'm just wondering who and where his b-buddy, the Anti-Christ, is right about now.  Don't see anyone that charismatic...yet.

Just remember and recall, that they will have the power to deceive the very Elect if God permits it. Given how easily Christians fell into supporting homosexuality and homosexual marriage, it would be a fool indeed to assume they are immune from being deceived.

Then again, look at all the worship of a politician we have seen illustrated from those supposedly 'on our side'.  Some of it puts the acolytes of Obama to shame.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2017, 06:21:08 pm »
I understand the tactical reasons for doing it, but it is risky and not something that can be done as a long term strategy.

Fortunately there was not much at play here. Hurricane aid is a no-brainer, and the debt ceiling is an irrelevant kabuki theater whether extended three months or three years. So while the Dems think they really got something they really didn't.

I agree with article on the GOP's 'elaborate strategizing'. It's like they want to nibble at the edges, slow moving tiny steps, and play small ball jenga in hopes that some day, some way, they are going sneak up on the Dems and bring them down, like the 'sequester' deal.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2017, 06:22:43 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on September 11, 2017, 06:08:29 pm
I live in Friendswood and my parents, about a mile away, had 18" of flood water.  I/ we don't need an increase in the debt ceiling.  We need FEMA authorization.  Even at a few billion $, the debt increase is pure politics, with no regard for flood victims
glad you and parents aRe safe.  My wife's brother lives there too and registered 46" at his house
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #36 on: September 11, 2017, 06:25:20 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on September 11, 2017, 06:08:29 pm
I live in Friendswood and my parents, about a mile away, had 18" of flood water.  I/ we don't need an increase in the debt ceiling.  We need FEMA authorization.  Even at a few billion $, the debt increase is pure politics, with no regard for flood victims

I live in Sugar Land, work in Katy.
The last numbers I had heard was that FEMA had over 500K request and had processed 180K of them, so far.
That was about a week ago.
Have you heard any update?
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #37 on: September 11, 2017, 06:33:56 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on September 11, 2017, 06:08:29 pm
I live in Friendswood and my parents, about a mile away, had 18" of flood water.  I/ we don't need an increase in the debt ceiling.  We need FEMA authorization.  Even at a few billion $, the debt increase is pure politics, with no regard for flood victims
You sound like one of the few here that can focus on meaningful actions, versus never ending talk.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #38 on: September 11, 2017, 06:48:59 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on September 11, 2017, 06:33:56 pm
You sound like one of the few here that can focus on meaningful actions, versus never ending talk.

Most of that 'talk' consisting of glories, lauds and honor for Trump working with Pelosi and Schumer to raise that debt ceiling that was rightfully noted by Victor to be nothing but politics with no regard for actual disaster victims.  That 'never-ending talk' continues to this very moment.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #39 on: September 11, 2017, 06:49:30 pm »
Quote from: Just_Victor on September 11, 2017, 06:08:29 pm
I live in Friendswood and my parents, about a mile away, had 18" of flood water.  I/ we don't need an increase in the debt ceiling.  We need FEMA authorization.  Even at a few billion $, the debt increase is pure politics, with no regard for flood victims

Prior to Trump securing funds for FEMA, FEMA was broke and unable to help anyone including your parents. Trump got the few billions FEMA needed.

Without the debt increase gov would have been forced to shutdown and might have defaulted on our debt. Now I really don't care if the worthless bureaucrats lose a few days of work but defaulting on the debt would be bad. And IIRC gov shutdown never goes well for Republicans.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #40 on: September 11, 2017, 06:54:29 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on September 11, 2017, 06:49:30 pm
Prior to Trump securing funds for FEMA, FEMA was broke and unable to help anyone including your parents. Trump got the few billions FEMA needed.

By that reckoning why didn't Trump just side with the GOP version and raise the debt ceiling for 18 months and give Congress a blank check to spend it on whatever their hearts and constituencies demand?  I mean, we might as well just get rid of that 'debt ceiling' obstacle altogether now, and just spend, spend, spend on everything all at once as opposed to actually creating a clean disaster relief bill that the rest of us already-stretched-to-the-limit taxpayers will have foot by doing without to bail out yet more dependents on Big Federal Mama.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #41 on: September 11, 2017, 06:55:28 pm »
Quote from: INVAR on September 11, 2017, 06:48:59 pm
Most of that 'talk' consisting of glories, lauds and honor for Trump working with Pelosi and Schumer to raise that debt ceiling that was rightfully noted by Victor to be nothing but politics with no regard for actual disaster victims.  That 'never-ending talk' continues to this very moment.

Hey, it was only for 3 more moths.  What's the big deal?  Showed those dumb Republicans that wanted 18 months.  We can't let the perfect get in the way of the good.  3 months.  Be happy.  All is well citizen.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #42 on: September 11, 2017, 06:57:12 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 06:55:28 pm
We can't let the perfect get in the way of the good.  3 months.  Be happy.  All is well citizen Comrade.

There, fixed it.

Now it is more accurate.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #43 on: September 11, 2017, 06:57:41 pm »
PS. FEMA operating budget for 2017 is $17,000,000,000.  That's 17 Billion, with a B.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #44 on: September 11, 2017, 07:00:38 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on September 11, 2017, 06:09:53 pm
Their mindset has been to demonize real conservatives here AND  to demonize and bashTed Cruz, whom we real conservatives all supported in the primary.   I definitely am a 'real conservative' but I guess I'm not really a 'real Christian'.... since I am becoming convinced that this pope is the False Prophet spoken of in Revelations.  He fits the description more and more every day.  I'm just wondering who and where his b-buddy, the Anti-Christ, is right about now.  Don't see anyone that charismatic...yet.

I don't consider Cruz a real conservative he was for amnesty, he wanted vast increases in visas, he was for fast tracking TPP. He lied repeatedly on the campaign trail. Plus he knows he is ineligible to be POTUS since he is a natural born citizen of Canada not the USA.

Cruz does do a good job of fooling folks into thinking he is the only true conservative, LOL. I will give him that but he has not fooled me. I have watched him closely these last 4 years and I've concluded he is a phony. Still better than a rat so I will vote for him in 2018 if he is on the ballot.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2017, 07:03:09 pm »
Quote from: jpsb on September 11, 2017, 07:00:38 pm
I don't consider Cruz a real conservative he was for amnesty, he wanted vast increases in visas, he was for fast tracking TPP. He lied repeatedly on the campaign trail. Plus he knows he is ineligible to be POTUS since he is a natural born citizen of Canada not the USA.

Cruz does do a good job of fooling folks into thinking he is the only true conservative, LOL. I will give him that but he has not fooled me. I have watched him closely these last 4 years and I've concluded he is a phony. Still better than a rat so I will vote for him in 2018 if he is on the ballot.

Great.  You'll vote for him.  Now we can get past all the Cruz isn't a NBC bullshit that got a different thread locked last night.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2017, 07:06:54 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 06:57:41 pm
PS. FEMA operating budget for 2017 is $17,000,000,000.  That's 17 Billion, with a B.

But it did not have that 17 billion until Trump secured it by granting a 3 month extension to the debt ceiling.
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2017, 07:08:41 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 07:03:09 pm
Great.  You'll vote for him.  Now we can get past all the Cruz isn't a NBC bullshit that got a different thread locked last night.

From what I understood the Mod to say last night, he/she doesn't intend to just lock a thread if this hijack starts up again....
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2017, 07:10:02 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on September 11, 2017, 07:08:41 pm
From what I understood the Mod to say last night, he/she doesn't intend to just lock a thread if this hijack starts up again....
Oh oh, you're right!  Threatened a time out!  Awesome, keep the Cruz NBC nonsense up!
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Re: Irma’s wrath confirms Trump’s wisdom in cutting that deal with Democrats
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2017, 07:12:12 pm »
Quote from: RoosGirl on September 11, 2017, 07:03:09 pm
Great.  You'll vote for him.  Now we can get past all the Cruz isn't a NBC bullshit that got a different thread locked last night.

I did not bring Cruz into this conservation. It appears that in any thread about Trump some sore loser bring up Cruz. Very tiresome.
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