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Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill

Robert Donachie
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4:21 PM 09/07/2017

 

Republican senators were the only ones to vote against a measure to advance a bill that would provide emergency relief funding to the victims of Hurricane Harvey and temporarily raise the debt ceiling and fund the government through mid-December.

The 17 senators include: Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Jerry Moran of Kansas, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, Steve Daines of Montana, Jeff Flake of Arizona, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Michael Enzi of Wyoming, Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, Mike Lee of Utah, James Risch of Idaho, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, John McCain of Arizona and Ben Sasse of Nebraska.

Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday. The Senate’s vote comes off the heels of the measure passed in the House Wednesday, which allocated $7.85 billion for Hurricane Harvey relief funding with near-unanimous support.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2017, 02:01:47 pm »
The seminal question remains: What else rode the coattails of emergency relief through the Senate?
That is the part that is being left unsaid. The relief bill should have been separate from any encumbrances, not the headliner in an omnibus act.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2017, 02:12:20 pm »
Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill

Robert Donachie
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4:21 PM 09/07/2017

 

Republican senators were the only ones to vote against a measure to advance a bill that would provide emergency relief funding to the victims of Hurricane Harvey and temporarily raise the debt ceiling and fund the government through mid-December.

The 17 senators include: Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Jerry Moran of Kansas, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, Steve Daines of Montana, Jeff Flake of Arizona, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Michael Enzi of Wyoming, Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, Mike Lee of Utah, James Risch of Idaho, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, John McCain of Arizona and Ben Sasse of Nebraska.

Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday. The Senate’s vote comes off the heels of the measure passed in the House Wednesday, which allocated $7.85 billion for Hurricane Harvey relief funding with near-unanimous support.

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Sorry, at least 15 of those cast their vote to raise their ratings on conservative websites. Not buying it for a nanosecond.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2017, 02:14:20 pm »
The seminal question remains: What else rode the coattails of emergency relief through the Senate?
That is the part that is being left unsaid. The relief bill should have been separate from any encumbrances, not the headliner in an omnibus act.

This situation couldn't have worked out worse for Sen Cruz. I wonder if that played into this.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2017, 02:18:20 pm »
This situation couldn't have worked out worse for Sen Cruz. I wonder if that played into this.

That is a mixed bag of Senators

Paul, Lee and Grassley I like and respect. Toomey, Graham, McCain and Flake not so much.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2017, 02:26:13 pm »
They are all a bunch of ass clowns, not just those 17. If they would stop taking 25 days of each month as vacations they might could get something done instead of rush job omnibus crapola.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2017, 02:53:16 pm »
They are all a bunch of ass clowns, not just those 17. If they would stop taking 25 days of each month as vacations they might could get something done instead of rush job omnibus crapola.
It only took 60 votes to pass it, so the question is why just 17 in opposition to the Democrat blackmail?

Because that's what this was.

 They'd vote en bloc against the bill without all the feral pigs attached, and the usual suspects would vote with them, not that Dems en bloc would not have been enough to scuttle it (that 60 vote thing). So the handful of Democrats (actually, the whole lot of them) are holding the legislation hostage for what they want, and for the foreseeable future, that will be the new paradigm, majority be d@mned. The Dems will get what they want, regardless, and the GOP will get the blame. Twelve dimensional chess, indeed.

For Cruz: He couldn't very well be seen voting against a hurricane relief funding bill for Texas, and those optics would be used against him. Same for any Conservative from Texas.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2017, 03:02:20 pm »
The seminal question remains: What else rode the coattails of emergency relief through the Senate?
That is the part that is being left unsaid. The relief bill should have been separate from any encumbrances, not the headliner in an omnibus act.

This is the Hurricane Sandy sham all over again. 

By the way, where was Ted Cruz?  Didn't see him in the list. Guess he's going to be a good little boy since he's running for re-election.  He's still taking undeserved flak over his opposition to the Sandy bill.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2017, 03:23:10 pm »
This is the Hurricane Sandy sham all over again. 

By the way, where was Ted Cruz?  Didn't see him in the list. Guess he's going to be a good little boy since he's running for re-election.  He's still taking undeserved flak over his opposition to the Sandy bill.
The press optics are already that the mean old GOP wouldn't approve hurricane disaster relief funding, so Trump had to go to the Democrats to get it through.

Oh. Yeah. There will be little mention (except for gloating) in the MSM of the other stuff that rode through.

But, back to the optics. Cruz (and for that matter any Texan up for reelection) will face the firing squad in the MSM if they don't vote FOR anything the press is presenting as Hurricane Relief Funding for the Gulf Coast, and that is what the ads would be all through the election cycle.

He's stuck, plain and simple, even if his vote was not needed, it best better be there or they'd vote him out.

Sometimes you are painted into a political corner despite your best efforts, and this was going through, so not the hill to die on.

Voters would be far more emotional against someone who voted 'Nay' against a measure presented (by the MSM) as if it was a streamlined Relief funding bill, than they would be 'understanding' about voting against against the blackmail involved in the bill, or the pigmeat piled on to get the Dems to vote for it.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2017, 03:36:00 pm »
I really don't quite understand what all the angst is about.  Especially when it relates to Ted Cruz's vote.  What part of "Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday" did ya'll apparently miss?

The problem in Congress isn't Ted Cruz.  It's the ability of the rats/cretins to attach any pork or moist-dream agenda item to much-needed and legitimate legislation.  Change that process and it would fix 90% of what's wrong.  (just my two cents)

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2017, 03:43:23 pm »
I really don't quite understand what all the angst is about.  Especially when it relates to Ted Cruz's vote.  What part of "Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday" did ya'll apparently miss?

The problem in Congress isn't Ted Cruz.  It's the ability of the rats/cretins to attach any pork or moist-dream agenda item to much-needed and legitimate legislation.  Change that process and it would fix 90% of what's wrong. (just my two cents)
Not to mention the 60% vote in the Senate to pass this. They would have needed Democrat votes, anyway, and that means the Dems have some hefty bargaining power with the media optics that will blame Republicans (regardless of whether they all vote for it) if it fails.

The headline wouldn't be "Democrats Hold Out on Hurricane Relief", it would be "GOP Dominated Congress Fails to Fund Relief for Suffering Victims".
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2017, 04:05:26 pm »
Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill

Robert Donachie
Capitol Hill and Health Care Reporter
4:21 PM 09/07/2017

 

Republican senators were the only ones to vote against a measure to advance a bill that would provide emergency relief funding to the victims of Hurricane Harvey and temporarily raise the debt ceiling and fund the government through mid-December.

The 17 senators include: Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, Jerry Moran of Kansas, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, Steve Daines of Montana, Jeff Flake of Arizona, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Rand Paul of Kentucky, Michael Enzi of Wyoming, Lindsay Graham of South Carolina, Mike Lee of Utah, James Risch of Idaho, Joni Ernst of Iowa, Chuck Grassley of Iowa, John McCain of Arizona and Ben Sasse of Nebraska.

Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday. The Senate’s vote comes off the heels of the measure passed in the House Wednesday, which allocated $7.85 billion for Hurricane Harvey relief funding with near-unanimous support.

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The only surprise on that list is Mike Lee.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2017, 04:10:05 pm »
I really don't quite understand what all the angst is about.  Especially when it relates to Ted Cruz's vote.  What part of "Lawmakers voted 80-17 in favor of sending the bill back to the House for renegotiations Thursday" did ya'll apparently miss?

The problem in Congress isn't Ted Cruz.  It's the ability of the rats/cretins to attach any pork or moist-dream agenda item to much-needed and legitimate legislation.  Change that process and it would fix 90% of what's wrong.  (just my two cents)

I hope you didn't take my comment as blaming Cruz for anything. I'm just saying the way this hot mess played out couldn't have been worse for him, politically.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2017, 04:17:39 pm »
The seminal question remains: What else rode the coattails of emergency relief through the Senate?
That is the part that is being left unsaid. The relief bill should have been separate from any encumbrances, not the headliner in an omnibus act.


Can't get a 'clean bill' out of Congress. Neither party will do it.

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« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2017, 04:19:21 pm »
I hope you didn't take my comment as blaming Cruz for anything. I'm just saying the way this hot mess played out couldn't have been worse for him, politically.


Can't agree. He gave token opposition to the bill but he can't vote against relief for Texas.

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« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2017, 04:25:39 pm »
I hope you didn't take my comment as blaming Cruz for anything. I'm just saying the way this hot mess played out couldn't have been worse for him, politically.

Lol...no.  I was actually addressing this comment below and a few others that I've seen that bash Cruz for having voted to advance the bill.  It's true that Cruz is between the proverbial ' rock and a really hard place'.  That's how any real conservative should be in this political environment.  He's used to it and can take it.   ^-^

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By the way, where was Ted Cruz?  Didn't see him in the list. Guess he's going to be a good little boy since he's running for re-election.  He's still taking undeserved flak over his opposition to the Sandy bill.
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« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2017, 04:29:26 pm »
Not to mention the 60% vote in the Senate to pass this. They would have needed Democrat votes, anyway, and that means the Dems have some hefty bargaining power with the media optics that will blame Republicans (regardless of whether they all vote for it) if it fails.

The headline wouldn't be "Democrats Hold Out on Hurricane Relief", it would be "GOP Dominated Congress Fails to Fund Relief for Suffering Victims".

Yep. 

Trump 'should' have demanded a clean bill on the hurricane relief.  And then he could have gone on national TV and addressed the nation about how the rats were holding up that relief in Congress.  But noooo....
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« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2017, 04:30:46 pm »
I'd like to see everyone who voted against this.
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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2017, 04:33:12 pm »


Voters would be far more emotional against someone who voted 'Nay' against a measure presented (by the MSM) as if it was a streamlined Relief funding bill, than they would be 'understanding' about voting against against the blackmail involved in the bill, or the pigmeat piled on to get the Dems to vote for it.

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« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2017, 05:36:06 pm »
This is the Hurricane Sandy sham all over again. 

By the way, where was Ted Cruz?  Didn't see him in the list. Guess he's going to be a good little boy since he's running for re-election.  He's still taking undeserved flak over his opposition to the Sandy bill.

Ted Cruz is not taking flak ... at least not from me ... for being against a bill that had so much pork in it, it squealed.

The aid to Texas is not like that bill and when a state in our own country suffers such devastation, we should all help.  I'm sure California would be crying for help too.

Ted Cruz cannot help it that he's articulate, intelligent and conservative.  Stop bashing him for it.
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« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2017, 06:28:35 pm »

Can't get a 'clean bill' out of Congress. Neither party will do it.

There is no such thing.  Not anymore that is.

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Re: Here Are The 17 Republicans Who Voted Against Harvey, Debt Ceiling Bill
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2017, 08:47:08 pm »
I've forgotten who I should be mad at...the republicans who voted against relief pork, or the republicans who voted for it.

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« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2017, 08:51:18 pm »
I've forgotten who I should be mad at...the republicans who voted against relief pork, or the republicans who voted for it.

Man, I don't know either.  My gut instinct is to be against it, but then I saw that McCain and Flake voted against it so I had to rethink my position.  Those two (and Graham) are never right about these things.
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