Trump Sides With Democrats on Interim Debt-Limit Fix, Harvey Aid

[Cyber Liberty]

I see a lot of Trump supporters claim that working with Pelosi and Schumer is some sort of grand strategery on the part of Trump to wake up Ryan and McConnell.

Wake up from what?

I am not a Trump Supporter," I'm agnostic on the subject, but I suggested that last night.  I took plenty of heat from those you mention so I guess I'm mystified.   

[aligncare]

"Wake up from what?"

Feckless inaction? Failure to use the power of the three branches of government that were given to them by GOP voters? Diddling while Rome burns?

[txradioguy]

I see a lot of Trump supporters claim that working with Pelosi and Schumer is some sort of grand strategery on the part of Trump to wake up Ryan and McConnell.

Wake up from what?

Wake them up to the fact he's not really a Republican maybe?

That's not a "grand strategy" on Trump's part...it's just lousy leadership from him.

[Applewood]

Ok, who unlocked this thread?  I thought it had been put out of its misery.  :)

[XenaLee]

Wake up from..... the apparently limitless capacity of some... to delude themselves into believing that they are NOT, once again and as always, being conned by the usual suspect con-men in DC, perhaps?

[Mod1]

Ok, who unlocked this thread?  I thought it had been put out of its misery.  :)

I did, in hopes that after some cooling off we can actually discuss the original topic.  There was a really good discussion going until it turned into a relitigation of the Primaries from last year.  Here's hoping it stays on topic.

[XenaLee]

I did, in hopes that after some cooling off we can actually discuss the original topic.  There was a really good discussion going until it turned into a relitigation of the Primaries from last year.  Here's hoping it stays on topic.

Oh darn.   And here I was just about to bring up 9/11 and a new cookie recipe I just tried.   :nometalk:

[TomSea]

Bannon's 60 minutes interview seemed to emphasize this divide.

[LMAO]

"Wake up from what?"

Feckless inaction? Failure to use the power of the three branches of government that was given to them by GOP voters? Diddling while Rome burns?

 Do you think Mitch and Paul really care? It seems the Democrats are more active in pursuing their agendas than the GOP is. Pelosi and Schumer's agenda is not compatible with the concept of fiscal responsibility and a limited federal government

[Cyber Liberty]

Oh darn.   And here I was just about to bring up 9/11 and a new cookie recipe I just tried.   :nometalk:

We'd love to see your new cookie recipe in The Lounge!  I think people are getting tired of my donuts.

[INVAR]

I see a lot of Trump supporters claim that working with Pelosi and Schumer is some sort of grand strategery on the part of Trump to wake up Ryan and McConnell.

Trump is playing 20th Dimensional Chess - so shut up and get in line to swear an oath of fealty to Trump and his Hordes!

Pelosi and Schumer's agenda is not compatible with the concept of fiscal responsibility and a limited federal government

Neither is Trump's or the Republican Party.

Growing the State into the Beast is.

[LMAO]

Neither is Trump's or the Republican Party.

Growing the State into the Beast is.

 That is true

But Pelosi, Schumer's, and the rest of the Democrat Party's agenda is further away still

[RoosGirl]

Do you think Mitch and Paul really care? It seems the Democrats are more active in pursuing their agendas than the GOP is. Pelosi and Schumer's agenda is not compatible with the concept of fiscal responsibility and a limited federal government

Do the Republicans have an agenda that is different than the Democrats?   From what I have seen lately I'm not sure.

[INVAR]

Do the Republicans have an agenda that is different than the Democrats? 

No.  They just think they can manage Big Government Socialism better and more efficiently than the Democrats can.

[RoosGirl]

No.  They just think they can manage Big Government Socialism better and more efficiently than the Democrats can.

Yep, that's what I think too. And a completely packed ultra-conservative SCOTUS wouldn't make a damn bit of difference at this point with the Congress we have.

[txradioguy]

What Trump is showing everyone is that he doesn't care who he has to side with in order to get good press from the MSM...he'll do it.

That's all he seems to care about...glowing praise from the media.  Hence the reason he called Schmucky and Stretch after the deal was signed to brag about that fact.

One moment we have him thundering about shutting the government down if he doesn't get the wall...then he signs a 3 month CR with NO funding for the wall.

He separated himself from the pack during the primaries raging about how illegal DACA was and how he was going to roundup illegals.

Now he's mumbling about how he could live with DACA if it was codified and passed by Congress...all this while Jared Kushner has been meeting behind the scenes with Little Dick Durbin to work out a deal on the dreamers.

Some of the inactivity is the fault of Congressional leadership...but this deal with Pelosi and Schumer rests squarely on Trumps doorstep as far as blame.

A real Republican...a true Conservative wouldn't lurch left when the GOP Leadership in the House and Senate was acting the way they are now.

His deal with Dem leadership shows where he intends to go the next 3 years IMHO.

And what he doesn't realize is that while he's basking in the good press of his alleged "bipartisan" deal...Schumer and Pelosi are plotting behind the scenes to try and impeach him the moment they get control of Congress again.

[INVAR]

What Trump is showing everyone is that he doesn't care who he has to side with in order to get good press from the MSM...he'll do it.

That's all he seems to care about...glowing praise from the media.  Hence the reason he called Schmucky and Stretch after the deal was signed to brag about that fact.

One moment we have him thundering about shutting the government down if he doesn't get the wall...then he signs a 3 month CR with NO funding for the wall.

He separated himself from the pack during the primaries raging about how illegal DACA was and how he was going to roundup illegals.

Now he's mumbling about how he could live with DACA if it was codified and passed by Congress...all this while Jared Kushner has been meeting behind the scenes with Little Dick Durbin to work out a deal on the dreamers.

Some of the inactivity is the fault of Congressional leadership...but this deal with Pelosi and Schumer rests squarely on Trumps doorstep as far as blame.

A real Republican...a true Conservative wouldn't lurch left when the GOP Leadership in the House and Senate was acting the way they are now.

His deal with Dem leadership shows where he intends to go the next 3 years IMHO.

And what he doesn't realize is that while he's basking in the good press of his alleged "bipartisan" deal...Schumer and Pelosi are plotting behind the scenes to try and impeach him the moment they get control of Congress again.

Dude,  you have absolutely got to stop doing this.

You are supposed to INGORE those things and assert Trump is playing dimensional underwater Chess.

You are supposed to conflate facts with euphoria so as to make True Trump Believers out of everyone.

[bigheadfred]

Here is a revolutionary article.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUzZy06p3WAhVri1QKHcOsD0gQFggzMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heritage.org%2Fbudget-and-spending%2Fcommentary%2Fraise-debt-limit-attach-spending-caps&usg=AFQjCNEUuWTmBO6GOE_C0cJJvzjEQRtr4g

The president throwing legislative problems back in the face of legislators is a bad thing?

And someone explain to me the difference between crappy republican deals and crappy democrat deals when the bottom line is crap.

[Sanguine]

Here is a revolutionary article.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiUzZy06p3WAhVri1QKHcOsD0gQFggzMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.heritage.org%2Fbudget-and-spending%2Fcommentary%2Fraise-debt-limit-attach-spending-caps&usg=AFQjCNEUuWTmBO6GOE_C0cJJvzjEQRtr4g

The president throwing legislative problems back in the face of legislators is a bad thing?

And someone explain to me the difference between crappy republican deals and crappy democrat deals when the bottom line is crap.

Crap is crap.  Some may seem less smelly at the time, but it's really the same stuff.

[Emjay]

Oh darn.   And here I was just about to bring up 9/11 and a new cookie recipe I just tried.   :nometalk:

You do know they have cookies at the store, don't you?

[txradioguy]

Dude,  you have absolutely got to stop doing this.

You are supposed to INGORE those things and assert Trump is playing dimensional underwater Chess.

You are supposed to conflate facts with euphoria so as to make True Trump Believers out of everyone.

I know...it's a bad habit I have.

[Emjay]

What Trump is showing everyone is that he doesn't care who he has to side with in order to get good press from the MSM...he'll do it.

That's all he seems to care about...glowing praise from the media.  Hence the reason he called Schmucky and Stretch after the deal was signed to brag about that fact.

One moment we have him thundering about shutting the government down if he doesn't get the wall...then he signs a 3 month CR with NO funding for the wall.

He separated himself from the pack during the primaries raging about how illegal DACA was and how he was going to roundup illegals.

Now he's mumbling about how he could live with DACA if it was codified and passed by Congress...all this while Jared Kushner has been meeting behind the scenes with Little Dick Durbin to work out a deal on the dreamers.

Some of the inactivity is the fault of Congressional leadership...but this deal with Pelosi and Schumer rests squarely on Trumps doorstep as far as blame.

A real Republican...a true Conservative wouldn't lurch left when the GOP Leadership in the House and Senate was acting the way they are now.

His deal with Dem leadership shows where he intends to go the next 3 years IMHO.

And what he doesn't realize is that while he's basking in the good press of his alleged "bipartisan" deal...Schumer and Pelosi are plotting behind the scenes to try and impeach him the moment they get control of Congress again.

It's a 3 months deal ... not the rest of our lives and he did it because of a national emergency.

What's wrong with you people?

[Sanguine]

It's a 3 months deal ... not the rest of our lives and he did it because of a national emergency.

What's wrong with you people?

Because 3 months from now there will be another excuse to do the same thing. 

[txradioguy]

It's a 3 months deal ... not the rest of our lives and he did it because of a national emergency.

What's wrong with you people?

What's wrong?  Where do I start?  The fact he's trying to find a back door out of repealing DACA...the fact he is one minute he's saying give me the wall or I shut down the government and the next minute he's making BS deals with Schumer and Pelosi?

Trump and his minions talk about draining the swamp then he's out there endorsing a McConnell swamp creature...he loves/hates/loves McConnell and now it looks like he's bringing the Dems into his friendship circle because he doesn't have the leadership skills as the leader of the GOP to get his Speaker and Majority leader in line enough to pass things he promised he was going to do when he was elected.

These three month "deals" on spending have been going on since Obama took office...and now Trump seems perfectly happy to continue Obama's failed fiscal policy of no budget, Continuing Resolutions and raising the Debt Ceiling with no remedy to fix the spending.

There were other ways to get the Harvey funding "right now" without more spending that none of us can't afford.

If you're perfectly ok with Trump acting like a Democrat...which you seem to be...you need to ask yourself what's wrong...not us.

[RoosGirl]

It's a 3 months deal ... not the rest of our lives and he did it because of a national emergency.

What's wrong with you people?

And if Obama and Democrat majority Congress had done it, we'd be pissed.  That doesn't change because an R is beside the name this time.