Trump Sides With Democrats on Interim Debt-Limit Fix, Harvey Aid

[Silver Pines]

Lol, so Trump had a cozy little meeting with Schumer and Pelosi.  Looks like Lyin' Ted was right when he said Trump was your man if you wanted someone who would deal with those two.

Is anyone still twisting themselves into pretzels to defend this guy?  Apart from the hardcore fans, I mean.

[XenaLee]

They will never be against it as long as there are no repercussions for colluding with and acting like Liberal Democrats.

I'm starting to wonder....

if there ever will be.

[Silver Pines]

MAGA was one big hairy @$$3d lie.

@Gov Bean Counter

Like someone said---it might have been Shapiro----Obama's third term is working out well.

[Gov Bean Counter]

@Gov Bean Counter

Like someone said---it might have been Shapiro----Obama's third term is working out well.

Whoever said that was it on.

[Smokin Joe]

The easy and more financially sound plan would've been to cut budget money from places like the EPA Dept of Education and Welfare and apply that money to disaster relief... especially since there are one possibly two more hurricanes in the Caribbean heading this way.

Now Trump gets two more chances to help the Dems raise the debt ceiling.

Yep. There's more than one way to fund emergency relief, and the bad optics could have focused on the Democrat doorstep.

I'm still waiting to see the ATs pass through their own sphincters twice over to 'splain siding with Democrats.
Still waiting for all those cuts...but everything from the Obamalamadingdong legacy will be fully funded, and Schumer will prance like something out of the Castro District over getting his way, and the press will carry the claimed capitulation, regardless of motive.

[txradioguy]

I'm starting to wonder....

if there ever will be.

If there is to be repercussions...then we as Republicans and Conservatives MUST stop buying into the notion that the only way to win is voting for the lesser of two evils.

[Oceander]

Better get used to it.

[txradioguy]

Better get used to it.

Instead of #MAGA it's going to be #BOHICA

[XenaLee]

If there is to be repercussions...then we as Republicans and Conservatives MUST stop buying into the notion that the only way to win is voting for the lesser of two evils.

I know.   Believe me..... I know (now).  It took me a while to grasp that reality....

but I got there finally.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The Memo: Trump pulls off a stone-cold stunner
The Hill, Sep 6, 2017, Niall Stanage

<snip>

Why did Trump do it?

People in his orbit say that the president was demonstrating to GOP leaders that they do not have the whip hand — and that, if they repeatedly fail to move his agenda, the commander in chief is willing to look elsewhere.

“I think it’s a warning shot,” said Barry Bennett, who was a senior adviser to Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign. “If the Republicans can’t come together as a majority to do something, the president knows where to get more votes.”

<snip>

Trump’s startling decision will spark a whole new round of speculation about his relationship with Republican leaders in Congress.

The relationship was already fraught.

Aides close to Trump first blamed Ryan, and later McConnell, for the ignominious failure to pass legislation repealing the Affordable Care Act, also known as ObamaCare.

The Republican Congress has remarkably little to show for its first eight months in full control of Washington. And Trump and McConnell reportedly stopped speaking for several weeks after the health care repeal effort foundered.

<snip>

The administration offered a very different explanation.

Marc Short, the White House director of legislative affairs, told reporters on board Air Force One Wednesday that the deal will help “to clear the decks” this month and that it “enables us to focus on tax reform” — the president’s other major legislative priority.



More: http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349533-the-memo-trump-pulls-off-a-stone-cold-stunner

[GrouchoTex]

If anyone here thinks this measure doesn't have everything to do with helping Houston and the surround area out of a jam...you are the Dumbest bunch of MF'ers this side of the Democratic Underground.  But go ahead and do what you NT'er do.....  It is expected.

A question I have not heard answered yet,could Harvey relief get funding without a debt ceiling increase?
If not, your criticism has merit.
If so, he's not draining swamps, just working with liberal creatures who reside there.

[DB]

A question I have not heard answered yet,could Harvey relief get funding without a debt ceiling increase?
If not, your criticism has merit.
If so, he's not draining swamps, just working with liberal creatures who reside there.

And who exactly in DC is actually blocking raising the debt ceiling? They all want it raised...

[Concerned]

And who exactly in DC is actually blocking raising the debt ceiling? They all want it raised...

If they all really want it raised then why did the head of the Republican Party make a deal with Democrats?

[Smokin Joe]

If they all really want it raised then why did the head of the Republican Party make a deal with Democrats?

Maybe he liked the Dems Pork Package more than the RINOs.

[corbe]

   McConnell caved, if he even needs an excuse, because Trump in the 'Art of the Deal' style completely demolished his position this morning, even before Ivanka showed up, by agreeing to Schumer and Pelosi's demands.
   Welcome to Liberal NY Politics  #MADA  (Make America Democrat Again) 

[Concerned]

Maybe he liked the Dems Pork Package more than the RINOs.

Well, I'd think the self-described great negotiator/deal-maker could make a better deal with the party he leads than with the opposition party.

[endicom]

And who exactly in DC is actually blocking raising the debt ceiling? They all want it raised...

That's right. The Pubs are six of one and the Dems a half-dozen of the other.

[stephen50right]

Not a big surprise from Trump. He rarely mentioned the debt in the campaign, and Hillary never mentioned it.

One day our elected politicians will show proper fiscal responsibility, but that day hasn't come yet. Hopefully it will before some very, VERY bad things happen from the consequences of rampantly printing money.

I'm not happy at all with this, but for anyone complaining about Trump, think how bad it would have been if Hillary was in the White House.

[XenaLee]

Notice.... how.... with the commies/leftists....

it's always two steps forward, one step back.

But with Trump it seems to always be one step forward, two steps back.

He does or says one thing we agree with, we applaud and/or give him credit....and then he screws it up with several things we don't like or approve of.

It's a pattern that I suspect we might as well get used to.   

[GrouchoTex]

Not a big surprise from Trump. He rarely mentioned the debt in the campaign, and Hillary never mentioned it.

One day our elected politicians will show proper fiscal responsibility, but that day hasn't come yet. Hopefully it will before some very, VERY bad things happen from the consequences of rampantly printing money.

I'm not happy at all with this, but for anyone complaining about Trump, think how bad it would have been if Hillary was in the White House.

Granted, we stopped Hillary, alright.
That was paramount, yet.....

Hillary didn't just meet with Schumer and Pelosi, Trump did.

So how does he run in 2020. "At least I'm not Hillary"?
Worked once, won't fly twice.

[stephen50right]

Granted, we stopped Hillary, alright.
That was paramount, yet.....

Hillary didn't just meet with Schumer and Pelosi, Trump did.

So how does he run in 2020. "At least I'm not Hillary"?
Worked once, won't fly twice.

Points completely understood.

The big problem for our side is, if Trump doesn't do this, then we lose elections. I disagree with your premise about the 2020 election.

Politically, I think it's actually a smart move for Trump in 2020. However for the American people who work and pay taxes, constantly raising the debt ceiling and rampantly printing money is a train wreck waiting to happen.

[Suppressed]

I think Trump will work with anyone (and I mean anyone) who he THINKS will make him look good -- personally.  I don't think he's ideological or principled in any way.  I think he'll roll with the wind and sacrifice any and everything if he perceives it benefits him.  Look at ObamaCare:  he loved the House bill until the press was bad about it -- then he said it was "heartless".  Look at DACA -- he wanted to rescind it until the press was negative about it then he called for it's legalization.

We have a WINNER!!
Note also a nice side benefit.  The dollar has tanked since Trump took office, and this will hasten that trend.  Then all his little Trumpbots will be able to go out and crow about how he's supposedly "increasing exports" (without running corrections on the numbers).

[Smokin Joe]

Notice.... how.... with the commies/leftists....

it's always two steps forward, one step back.

But with Trump it seems to always be one step forward, two steps back.

He does or says one thing we agree with, we applaud and/or give him credit....and then he screws it up with several things we don't like or approve of.

It's a pattern that I suspect we might as well get used to.

Now, now, don't let the perfect stand in the way of the good. Or the good stand in the way of the half a$$ed, or the .....

As we are so often reminded, 20% is better than nothing...Do I hear 15%? Sucha deal! 

Oh, almost forgot! 

[RoosGirl]

This article was posted at TBR a few days ago.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/21/mitch-mcconnell-zero-chance-us-fails-to-raise-the-debt-ceiling.html

[INVAR]

Judgement is already at hand, and once the consequences of the Beast at Mordor on the Potomac printing trillions out of thin air to grease and line pockets and feather permanent power nests finally get affected by the laws of economics and gravity - the destruction we're witnessing from Harvey, Irma, wildfires, Antifa and BLM is going to be a day in the park on a nice spring day in comparison to the destruction that is coming financially because everyone thinks kicking the can down the road is politically prudent.


Ah well. 

All Republics commit suicide.

Here we are.