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Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« on: September 01, 2017, 01:41:02 pm »
Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
by David M. Drucker | Sep 1, 2017, 12:01 AM

President Trump's unusual divisiveness inside his own party could pose extra political challenges to Republicans on the 2018 ballot.

Republican incumbents and candidates keep finding themselves in the awkward position of choosing sides — either for him or against him, with either choice risking electoral catastrophe in the midterm.

Demonstrated most recently after events in Charlottesville, Va., standing with Trump through whatever he says, does or tweets should pay dividends for Republicans with a GOP base solidly behind the president.

Crossing Trump to maintain viability in the general election, as exemplified by Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., and the president, more sensitive to disloyalty than past party leaders, is likely to aggressively retaliate, potentially turning the base against the offender.

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2017, 02:53:34 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018. 

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2017, 03:10:10 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

doubtful.  But the liberal media will you believing it is so.

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2017, 03:11:29 pm »
doubtful.  But the liberal media will you believing it is so.

Yup, blame everything on the "librul media".

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2017, 03:12:26 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

If the GOP loses the majority, there will be plenty of blame to go around.

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2017, 03:28:00 pm »
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Republican incumbents and candidates keep finding themselves in the awkward position of choosing sides —

Like choosing to repeal Obamacare .... and to move aggressively on tax reform?  These awkward positions?





« Last Edit: September 01, 2017, 04:03:52 pm by Right_in_Virginia »

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2017, 04:03:53 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

And they're doing their best to defeat the purpose of electing Trump and themselves, so it's a wash.  I'm trying to work up some sympathy, but that would require me to feel sorry for the likes of Jeff Flake, and I just don't have it in me.
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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2017, 04:26:17 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

In other words that article was nothing but idle speculation and propaganda.

Every Republican running should pledge to support Trump in any conservative legislation he proposes.

And all evidence so far, indicates the more conservative candidates are winning.
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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2017, 04:28:41 pm »
And they're doing their best to defeat the purpose of electing Trump and themselves, so it's a wash.  I'm trying to work up some sympathy, but that would require me to feel sorry for the likes of Jeff Flake, and I just don't have it in me.

You'll feel better under a Congress controlled by the democrat party?

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2017, 04:29:59 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

Really?  You think the Republicans in Congress can't lose on their own?

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2017, 04:39:00 pm »
You'll feel better under a Congress controlled by the democrat party?

Did I say that?  I don't recall saying that.  It sounds like "A vote for somebody other than Trump is a vote for Hillary."  I rejected that logic when I heard it.
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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2017, 04:49:01 pm »
Did I say that?  I don't recall saying that.  It sounds like "A vote for somebody other than Trump is a vote for Hillary."  I rejected that logic when I heard it.

No, you didn't say it, but it is a question to be addressed. 

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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2017, 04:52:07 pm »
You'll feel better under a Congress controlled by the democrat party?

I'd feel better if they were controlled by the American people.  But that's just me talking crazy.
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2017, 04:53:11 pm »
I'd feel better if they were controlled by the American people.  But that's just me talking crazy.

Are you saying the Russians control the results of Congressional elections?

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2017, 04:53:51 pm »
I'd feel better if they were controlled by the American people.  But that's just me talking crazy.

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2017, 04:55:44 pm »
In other words, Trump could very well Cost the GOP control of Congress in 2018.

To be fair and accurate.... if the GOP loses control of Congress next year (and they probably will).... most of the blame will fall on the GOP....not on Trump.  Sure, Trump coulda woulda shoulda tried harder to bring the GOP in line and get them to DO something towards his agenda.... but most of the blame will be placed on the GOP by those that know better.  The perpetual Trump-haters will, of course and as usual, blame him for all ills in the world, including that.  It's a constant in the universe.



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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2017, 05:01:26 pm »
To be fair and accurate.... if the GOP loses control of Congress next year (and they probably will).... most of the blame will fall on the GOP....not on Trump.  Sure, Trump coulda woulda shoulda tried harder to bring the GOP in line and get them to DO something towards his agenda.... but most of the blame will be placed on the GOP by those that know better.  The perpetual Trump-haters will, of course and as usual, blame him for all ills in the world, including that.  It's a constant in the universe.





No, Trump could have done a lot more to try and build support for his policies in Congress.  He chose not to and instead preferred to sit on the sidelines flinging twitter spitwads at the people he doesn't like.  He couldn't even articulate a nuanced policy goal, let alone persuade a waffling Congress member to go along with him.  The most he did was take a little time off from his incessant twitter squabbling to make a few desultory presentations here and there. 

Instead of trying to lead a team, he's incited division and caused festering wounds.  Yes, each individual Congress person bears their own responsibility, but Trump is also responsible for any debacle that happens in 2018. 

Only a worshipper at the Trump cult of personality cannot see that he has contributed to the problem. 

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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2017, 05:04:11 pm »
No, Trump could have done a lot more to try and build support for his policies in Congress.  He chose not to and instead preferred to sit on the sidelines flinging twitter spitwads at the people he doesn't like.  He couldn't even articulate a nuanced policy goal, let alone persuade a waffling Congress member to go along with him.  The most he did was take a little time off from his incessant twitter squabbling to make a few desultory presentations here and there. 

Instead of trying to lead a team, he's incited division and caused festering wounds.  Yes, each individual Congress person bears their own responsibility, but Trump is also responsible for any debacle that happens in 2018. 

Only a worshipper at the Trump cult of personality cannot see that he has contributed to the problem.

Nope.  Congress is responsible for Congress' pitiful popularity.  No need to shift any blame.

There ARE things in this world that have little to nothing to do with Trump.

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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2017, 05:05:17 pm »
Nope.  Congress is responsible for Congress' pitiful popularity.  No need to shift any blame.

There ARE things in this world that have little to nothing to do with Trump.

Nope.  Trump has needlessly divided the GOP and cast aspersions that will leave a permanent mark, to the benefit of the democrats. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2017, 05:08:40 pm »
Nope.  Trump has needlessly divided the GOP and cast aspersions that will leave a permanent mark, to the benefit of the democrats.

You really don't think the GOP was split before Trump came on the scene?

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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2017, 05:12:50 pm »
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Republican incumbents and candidates keep finding themselves in the awkward position of choosing sides — either for him or against him, with either choice risking electoral catastrophe in the midterm.

Here's a thought, how about those running tell us what they are for and against and then prove it to us with their actions.

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« Reply #21 on: September 01, 2017, 05:32:37 pm »
Nope.  Congress is responsible for Congress' pitiful popularity.  No need to shift any blame.

There ARE things in this world that have little to nothing to do with Trump.

VERY well said.

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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2017, 05:34:13 pm »
Nope.  Trump has needlessly divided the GOP and cast aspersions that will leave a permanent mark, to the benefit of the democrats.

Sorry friend, I completely disagree with you on this. This is all on Mitch and Ryan.
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Re: Trump forces midterm Republicans into an awkward situation
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2017, 05:51:08 pm »
Sorry friend, I completely disagree with you on this. This is all on Mitch and Ryan.

Meh, they're all to blame.

The entire conservative ideology is a turd in a toilet as far as I'm concerned.

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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2017, 05:51:12 pm »
Here's a thought, how about those running tell us what they are for and against and then prove it to us with their actions.

They still have to fight the headwinds created by Trump.