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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2017, 06:48:56 pm »
Precisely. The dog that doesn't bark knows its owner. And the GOP didn't bark, not in any meaningful way. You can't tell me all that investigating didn't turn up serious improprieties, unless they didn't ask the right people, or their investigation skills suck. If the latter, then the job should be turned over to someone capable.

The bottom line is that it is a criminal conspiracy writ large, encompassing both sides of the aisle.


Sadly, there are too many limp-wristed idiots on our side of the aisle.  I'm counting on that changing in the next two election cycles.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2017, 06:57:15 pm »
Precisely. The dog that doesn't bark knows its owner. And the GOP didn't bark, not in any meaningful way. You can't tell me all that investigating didn't turn up serious improprieties, unless they didn't ask the right people, or their investigation skills suck. If the latter, then the job should be turned over to someone capable.

The bottom line is that it is a criminal conspiracy writ large, encompassing both sides of the aisle.


That's one of the reasons why Gorka resigned, I think. He realized that Trump, for some reason we do not know, is not serious about investigating and prosecuting all the serious corruption, and basically treason, that happened with Obama and Hillary. I know he was also pissed about Trump sending more troops to Afghanistan. Gorka did not blame Trump outright for all of this. He seemed to say that the Washington establishment is simply so entrenched, there is no way to overcome it.


Trump has done so many great things since assuming office. But what has he done in terms of investigating any of all the blatantly obvious criminal activity that happened under Obama/Hillary?


Trump is doing great things in terms of the economy and business. But with government corruption, it is just business as usual. Nothing has changed. And maybe it simply cannot be changed by anybody.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2017, 06:59:49 pm »
I think perhaps it would be wise for those conservatives/republicans still harboring antipathy towards Pres.Trump for winning the presidency, to reexamine their position. In light of the mounting evidence of a concerted assault by the media, leftists, democrats and republican NeverTrumpers, on Trump's character, his mental state, his fitness for office and all the rest of it.

It's time to admit that two years of negative stories, fake news and lies about him have had a toll, making it much more difficult for him to pass his conservative agenda through congress.

I distinctly recall you, @aligncare and I assuring that a majority House and Senate coming in on President Trump's coattails, would keep him in check it he went too far into 'King Mode'. 

(But we both said we'd give him all the rope he needed)   :laugh:

But I never envisioned a determined, concerted effort by the GOPe to do the bidding of the opposition Democrats, but obstructing him out of the gate.

The optics would be devastating, indeed, but this out-of-control mainstream media needs to be brought to heel.

If they can have "Media Matters", we can have "Truthful News Matters".

President Trump appoints a 3 person panel to review filtered, accepted examples of gross lying and distortion.

The panel then takes the appropriate action simply based upon the journalist's creed.  Guilty parties lose their access to social media...>PERIOD!   

Sort of like, "You'll NEVER work in this town again!"
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2017, 07:00:14 pm »

Sadly, there are too many limp-wristed idiots on our side of the aisle.  I'm counting on that changing in the next two election cycles.
I predict little will change. It will be the usual round of challengers making big promises and getting Beltway Fever the second they cross 495 and get in the inner circle, if they even make it that far. The rules have been modified so that only the approved contenders will even get a real shot. If need be, they'll have democrats cross over for the primaries and sink anyone who won't kiss the ring--it's been done before.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2017, 07:18:54 pm »
I predict little will change. It will be the usual round of challengers making big promises and getting Beltway Fever the second they cross 495 and get in the inner circle, if they even make it that far. The rules have been modified so that only the approved contenders will even get a real shot. If need be, they'll have democrats cross over for the primaries and sink anyone who won't kiss the ring--it's been done before.

It's worked well for McCain. 

Flake's trying it too, but I think he just made a big mistake criticizing Trump for the Arpaio pardon.  I am reminded of a line from a movie.  In "True Lies," at one point the Charlton Heston character looked at this technician fellow and said, "At what point did you come to expect the slack I cut these guys somehow applies to you?"  Flake hasn't earned the chops it takes to tell the voters of the state's largest County to go suck eggs.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2017, 07:39:38 pm »

That's one of the reasons why Gorka resigned, I think. He realized that Trump, for some reason we do not know, is not serious about investigating and prosecuting all the serious corruption, and basically treason, that happened with Obama and Hillary. I know he was also pissed about Trump sending more troops to Afghanistan. Gorka did not blame Trump outright for all of this. He seemed to say that the Washington establishment is simply so entrenched, there is no way to overcome it.


Trump has done so many great things since assuming office. But what has he done in terms of investigating any of all the blatantly obvious criminal activity that happened under Obama/Hillary?


Trump is doing great things in terms of the economy and business. But with government corruption, it is just business as usual. Nothing has changed. And maybe it simply cannot be changed by anybody.

THIS!!! 

If we get three years into the Trump administration and Hillary Clinton is still walking around a free woman you can forget about any votes to re-elect from this household!  And that's just for starters.  I'm watching a number of other things as well that will effect my vote!
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2017, 07:40:19 pm »
That's one of the reasons why Gorka resigned, I think. He realized that Trump, for some reason we do not know, is not serious about investigating and prosecuting all the serious corruption, and basically treason, that happened with Obama and Hillary.

Look what it is taking for Comey/Mueller to investigate virtually nothing. And that's just the investigation. Prosecuting something would be another saga.
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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2017, 08:28:57 pm »
Every incoming administration can find something on their predecessor. It's just that in our two party system, except in rare criminal instances, the parties have an unstated agreement not to go after the other side after a transition of power. It's sorta...customary.

We're a nearly evenly divided nation and we don't want to foment civil unrest by making it appear one party is attempting to criminalize political differences.

That's probably why Trump didn't go after Hillary after defeating her. If that were not the circumstance, I'm sure he would've prosecuted her in a New York minute for all she's done.

That's my take on it.

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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2017, 08:28:59 pm »
I've been posting here on this forum for awhile and I have refrained and called DEMS and RINO's 'liberal mental midgets', but "liberal idiots" is so much more appropriate.   :shrug:

Let it all hang out.  Or maybe I should say.  "You've come a long way Baby!"

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2017, 08:34:16 pm »
Yet somehow, granting pardons to FALN terrorists does not.

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2017, 08:57:40 pm »

Marc Rich.

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That's right Marc Rich.

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2017, 09:04:24 pm »
Till I found this guy, I thought you were talking about our @Frank Cannon



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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2017, 09:10:10 pm »
Every incoming administration can find something on their predecessor. It's just that in our two party system, except in rare criminal instances, the parties have an unstated agreement not to go after the other side after a transition of power. It's sorta...customary.

We're a nearly evenly divided nation and we don't want to foment civil unrest by making it appear one party is attempting to criminalize political differences.

That's probably why Trump didn't go after Hillary after defeating her. If that were not the circumstance, I'm sure he would've prosecuted her in a New York minute for all she's done.

That's my take on it.

That's a custom which needs to end right f'n now IMHO!

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2017, 09:17:58 pm »
Every incoming administration can find something on their predecessor. It's just that in our two party system, except in rare criminal instances, the parties have an unstated agreement not to go after the other side after a transition of power. It's sorta...customary.
Horseshit.  They are BOTH equally corrupt and in bed together most of the time.  That is the reason they do not go after one another.

We're a nearly evenly divided nation and we don't want to foment civil unrest by making it appear one party is attempting to criminalize political differences.

Are you freaking BLIND??????





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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2017, 09:45:08 pm »
Horseshit.  They are BOTH equally corrupt and in bed together most of the time.  That is the reason they do not go after one another.

Are you freaking BLIND??????





You kinda undercut your argument about the state of the nation by showing a picture from Europe.  We don't have polizei. 
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2017, 09:46:43 pm »
That's a custom which needs to end right f'n now IMHO!

DRAIN THE DAMNED SWAMP!!!!!!

There's a practical reason for this perceived immunity for departing Presidents:  In many countries with less well-defined Constitutions, leaders tent to resist leaving office if they know they're going to end up in jail.

That said, Hillary Clinton enjoys no such immunity, and I agree with you:  If she's still walking around free after three years of Trump he does not deserve my vote.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2017, 10:43:26 pm »

Thinking about that term 'drain the swamp'. I believe it has more significance for things going forward; like fixing a broken system to achieve a government that governs least. If going after Hillary risks that ultimate goal, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm not itching for a war with half my family, friends and coworkers who happen to support the democrats.

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« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2017, 10:44:56 pm »
Thinking about that term 'drain the swamp'. I believe it has more significance for things going forward; like fixing a broken system to achieve a government that governs least. If going after Hillary risks that ultimate goal, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm not itching for a war with half my family, friends and coworkers who happen to support the democrats.

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2017, 10:50:49 pm »
Thinking about that term 'drain the swamp'. I believe it has more significance for things going forward; like fixing a broken system to achieve a government that governs least. If going after Hillary risks that ultimate goal, I'm not sure it's worth it. I'm not itching for a war with half my family, friends and coworkers who happen to support the democrats.

So, we should ignore certain people who break the law to avoid some unpleasantness?

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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2017, 10:56:25 pm »
Once again and for the record, I did not vote for Trump.  But..... I stand with Trump, behind Trump and in support of him against the radical left in America, our enemies within... and against ALL enemies of America, foreign and domestic...

as long as he stands against all US enemies and the radical left, which also includes many Democrats that he previously supported.

I make no bones about my support.  I want what is best for America.  Always have, always will.

As for his pardon of Arpaio, kudos to Trump for a tough but correct decision.



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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2017, 11:18:29 pm »
Thinking about that term 'drain the swamp'.

I have thought about it too.  If only Trump had adopted it during the campaign instead of waiting until mid-October before uttering that phrase for the first time.  Maybe if he had actually been a drain-the-swamp kind of guy, he wouldn't have hired Priebus, or funded McConnell, or backed the RNC against the Colorado Conservatives, or . . .
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« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2017, 11:22:41 pm »
So, we should ignore certain people who break the law to avoid some unpleasantness?

Otherwise known as a cop out.
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Re: Dem senator: Arpaio pardon violates Trump's oath of office
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2017, 11:25:00 pm »
Otherwise known as a cop out.

You are much more lady-like than I am. :)

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« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2017, 11:27:04 pm »
You are much more lady-like than I am. :)

LOL! Somehow I doubt that!
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