Replacing the Republican Party

[Cyber Liberty]

Wow, RIV.  Maximum snark attack!

But, don't worry your pretty little head; I understood much more than you would like.

Oh, and a tip:  if you can't handle comments on your posts, don't post them.

What, you're not gonna bless her heart?  You must be pretty ticked off... 

[Emjay]

If you are not a social conservative, then you cannot claim to be a conservative at all.

Not true.  I wish that everyone was a nice person.  I wish that nobody cheated on their wife or husband.  I wish that nobody hated.

I even wish that homosexuals had been willing to accept legal union and not force a divisive issue like gay marriage on us.

I am a social conservative in ALMOST every sense of the word, but I don't believe it should be a part  of the Republican platform to force my definition of morality on anyone.

[Emjay]

You know @Emjay  that "Trump lovers" shit is really getting old.  "Trump supporters" would be appropriate --- unless you're actually trying to carry the anger from the primaries through eternity --- and I've come to know you're better than this.

Having said that, I'll take a shot about Cruz. First, Cruz isn't kryptonite to anyone or anything.  So, let's get that out of the way. 

For most Trump supporters, Cruz was not an issue during the primaries, and neither was Bush, Rubio, Kasich, et al.  This was as any other primary season, a time to choose a favorite son (or daughter). There were bruises from some fierce battles in support of the top two candidates.  As it turned out, Trump was the passionate street fighter while Cruz kept misfiring, badly. 

Cruz, all by himself, made enemies out of frenemies at the convention with his refusal to support the candidate and his "vote your conscience" BS.  I know many folks who are still reeling from that ... and who now believe "Lyin' Ted" was more than a sharpened political club.  They firmly believe it is true; not because of any political rhetoric coming from Trump, but because of the tantrum Cruz chose to throw---in public, when it mattered most.

But he did come around toward the end of the national campaign (as his big donors demanded) and the bruises were healing.  That healing would be complete by now if NTs would stop using Ted Cruz's spectacular loss against Trump, his victory and his supporters.

We're ready, willing and able to reengage with Cruz .... all the NTs need to do is get the hell out of the way.

Wow!  Amazing that you choose to attack one of the people on this forum who tries hard to be fair to Trump and defend him when he's lied about.

I'm so in awe of the weird post, I can't even type.

But your post proves two things:  Cruz IS Kryptonite to Trump lovers and Trump lover is the correct term.  No one gets that excited about someone they just support.

[RoosGirl]

Not true.  I wish that everyone was a nice person.  I wish that nobody cheated on their wife or husband.  I wish that nobody hated.

I even wish that homosexuals had been willing to accept legal union and not force a divisive issue like gay marriage on us.

I am a social conservative in ALMOST every sense of the word, but I don't believe it should be a part  of the Republican platform to force my definition of morality on anyone.

Except that there is a definition of morality that maintains (conserves) civilization, in our case Judeo-Christian civilization, and therefore the nation as it was intended at founding.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Not true.  I wish that everyone was a nice person.  I wish that nobody cheated on their wife or husband.  I wish that nobody hated.

I even wish that homosexuals had been willing to accept legal union and not force a divisive issue like gay marriage on us.

I am a social conservative in ALMOST every sense of the word, but I don't believe it should be a part  of the Republican platform to force my definition of morality on anyone.

Being part of the Republican platform has no bearing on what a conservative is.  That has been proved ad nauseum.

And no one is forcing you to accept some definition of morality.  Even God does not do that, although he does judge you by His definition.

[Emjay]

Being part of the Republican platform has no bearing on what a conservative is.  That has been proved ad nauseum.

And no one is forcing you to accept some definition of morality.  Even God does not do that, although he does judge you by His definition.

If I understood what the heck you are saying, I would attempt a response.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

If I understood what the heck you are saying, I would attempt a response.

Good, keep silent.  It will do us all good.

[Emjay]

Good, keep silent.  It will do us all good.

Define "us all."

[driftdiver]

I believe the attempt for a dictatorship has already been started and is/was the objective of Bammy, Clinton, Soros, etc.; tearing down the system from the resulting in a dictatorship.  We have more conservative governors than we've had in a long time and many states now have conservative legislatures.  I believe right now those conservative governors and those conservative state legislators are the 'glue' that is holding this country together. They far outnumber the likes of of McConnell, Ryan, McCain, etc., and certainly aren't doing us any favors. There are approximately  7,383 state legislators vs. 535 members of Congress. Imagine if the conservative governors and conservative legislators made an exit from the GOP and joined up with the Constitution party. I see that scenario as more of a possibility in order to combat a dictatorship rather than create one.  The DEMS and the RINO's have slowly tried to increase their powers within Congress meanwhile trying to strip the rights away from the states and ultimately the people.

@libertybele

We do have a lot of conservative Governors and control of the White House, Senate, and House.   What does that get us?     It doesn't get us the power to push through the Conservative agenda.   The GOP leadership and DNC Leadership are essentially the same.  So all the Cruz's in the world really won't help until we can remove the McConnells, Ryans, McCains and other Globalists.   Even the rank and file Democrats (Blue Dogs) are essentially powerless because of the Pelosi's.   Most of the Blue Dogs aren't willing to sell out America but they have very little power, by design.

Under Obama local police forces couldn't even control people like Occupy without a Federal civil rights lawsuit.  For all his faults Trump is putting a stop to that which is why the GOP leadership wants him gone.

[Emjay]

@libertybele

We do have a lot of conservative Governors and control of the White House, Senate, and House.   What does that get us?     It doesn't get us the power to push through the Conservative agenda.   The GOP leadership and DNC Leadership are essentially the same.  So all the Cruz's in the world really won't help until we can remove the McConnells, Ryans, McCains and other Globalists.   Even the rank and file Democrats (Blue Dogs) are essentially powerless because of the Pelosi's.   Most of the Blue Dogs aren't willing to sell out America but they have very little power, by design.

Under Obama local police forces couldn't even control people like Occupy without a Federal civil rights lawsuit.  For all his faults Trump is putting a stop to that which is why the GOP leadership wants him gone.

I agree with some of what you say, but having Republican control of a large number of states is beneficial to the country regardless of what effect it has on how the DC Senators vote.

Our country would be so much better off without the looney tunes governors and dem run control of states like New York and California to name a few big ones.

And, yes, I support Trump's actions in the recent riots. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow, RIV.  Maximum snark attack!

But, don't worry your pretty little head; I understood much more than you would like.

Oh, and a tip:  if you can't handle comments on your posts, don't post them.

This wasn't a maximum snark attack @Sanguine .... it pales in comparison to those posted by others.  I simply said something you didn't like, or agree with.  That's cool.

I can handle the comments on my posts, but I reserve the right to react to them. 

And BTW, how did you know I have a pretty head?   

[Emjay]

This wasn't a maximum snark attack @Sanguine .... it pales in comparison to those posted by others.  I simply said something you didn't like, or agree with.  That's cool.

I can handle the comments on my posts, but I reserve the right to react to them. 

And BTW, how did you know I have a pretty head?   

@Right_in_Virginia

Hey, still waiting for you to apologize to me.  Should I sit down, set a timer, or what?

[INVAR]

@INVAR
Yet you think we can tear the system down and rebuild it from the ground up and will achieve a Constitutional Republic.   A dictatorship is far more likely.

A dictatorship is likely the course the two party Oligarchy has established already, including the vast amounts of power the GOP and the Dems granted the executive over the last decade.

However, as is usual - your reading comprehension SUCKS.

I did not say a damned thing about tearing the system down to rebuild it. Unless you equate the Republican Party as an intrinsic 'part of the system' - which it is not.  It is just a political faction, that's all.  Nothing more.

I stated it is time for true Conservatives to separate themselves from the Republican Party, dump it - let it get folded into the Democrat party where their true allegiance lies and to put Conservative energy and efforts into something else outside of the corruption that infests DC.

If you want to view that as tearing the system down and being traitors, that is your problem and aligns you with the mindset of how the Crown saw the Colonists when they decided they had enough and separated.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow!  Amazing that you choose to attack one of the people on this forum who tries hard to be fair to Trump and defend him when he's lied about.

I'm so in awe of the weird post, I can't even type.

But your post proves two things:  Cruz IS Kryptonite to Trump lovers and Trump lover is the correct term.  No one gets that excited about someone they just support.

It wasn't an attack @Emjay ... certainly wasn't meant to be so if you feel it was, I apologize.

That you used "Trump lovers" again, this time stressing it is the correct term, is demeaning and disrespectful to me.  I've let you know this and now I'll let you decide if you want to use the term again---when talking with me.

Yes, Emjay, people do get excited about someone they support.  (And I'm assuming you're not throwing "excited" out here from the sewer.)  The essence of political support IS excitement.  Excitement in the hope and the vision the candidate promises.  I will admit this has not been the case for Republicans, especially conservative Republicans, for more than a generation so this memory may well have faded.

Again, IMO Cruz is not anyone's political kryptonite, certainly not outside of Texas.  But if you insist on applying the term to the President and his supporters, you've got it backwards.  We were political kryptonite for Ted Cruz.

And finally, you do try to give the President his due.  I know how difficult that can be here ... like a salmon swimming upstream through a lot of clutter.

But outside the forum people are doing this on a daily basis.  They're not posting about it or giving interviews about it.  It just is what adults do.  I hope your being an adult doesn't mean we can't, at times, agree to disagree.

Thanks for listening.   ^-^

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Hey, still waiting for you to apologize to me.  Should I sit down, set a timer, or what?

You should read what I just posted @Emjay    ^-^

[driftdiver]

A dictatorship is likely the course the two party Oligarchy has established already, including the vast amounts of power the GOP and the Dems granted the executive over the last decade.

However, as is usual - your reading comprehension SUCKS.

I did not say a damned thing about tearing the system down to rebuild it. Unless you equate the Republican Party as an intrinsic 'part of the system' - which it is not.  It is just a political faction, that's all.  Nothing more.

I stated it is time for true Conservatives to separate themselves from the Republican Party, dump it - let it get folded into the Democrat party where their true allegiance lies and to put Conservative energy and efforts into something else outside of the corruption that infests DC.

If you want to view that as tearing the system down and being traitors, that is your problem and aligns you with the mindset of how the Crown saw the Colonists when they decided they had enough and separated.

@INVAR
uh huh, yeah right.  And unicorns can crap icecream

[Bigun]

@INVAR
Yet you think we can tear the system down and rebuild it from the ground up and will achieve a Constitutional Republic.   A dictatorship is far more likely.

@driftdiver

I hate to break the bad news to you but the Constitutional Republic given us by the founders has been gone for a VERY long time now! 

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

I hate to break the bad news to you but the Constitutional Republic given us by the founders has been gone for a VERY long time now!

@Bigun

And our glorious leaders in the eGOP and DNC are still not content.  They will bring us to a global socialist government where the little people live in dorms and praise the govt.

[roamer_1]

Ok,I stopped one election before you.

I don't really know that's right - Seems to me I was a Keyes guy that season.

After his first term and him pimping out the US Military to the asshat King of Saudi Arabia,I was done. I would have voted for Jimmy Carter or Clinton before I would have voted for him. Nice man personally,but despite his staged macho of clearing brush at Camp Photo Op, a punk mama's boy drunken closeted homo of a president.

I didn't see it that way. I saw the play, moving it to Iraq, But I saw it as brilliant strategy. It's a helluva lot easier to kill em in a sandbox than in the rocky teeth of the Afghanistan mountains... And it is.
But then they quit early and started nation-building, and moved into Afghanistan too (which is as dumb a move as there is), so the idea that it was military strategy kinda started going right on out the window.

In fact,I hadn't cast a vote for President since Boy Jorge's first term until Trump ran as a Republican. Even then half the reason was because he was and is neither a Republican nor a Dim,and the other half of the reason was he wasn't Bubbette! and the hope he would throw a few political grenades into the monkey works once in office. Or at least cause a dozen or so Professional Party People to have strokes and thereby make the world a better place.

No luck on the strokes YET,but it's still early days and it costs nothing to hope. He sure does have all the professional criminal class we call "politicians" in a uproar,though. The hatred directed towards him is the most bi-partisan thing I have ever seen congress come together on.[/size]

I think all that's a lot of sunshine blowing up your skirt.
The fact of the matter is that Trump IS one of them. You don't play NYC crony-capitalism without playing political games.

As to bipartisan 'hate', yeah. he's got all the right enemies... But he's got all the wrong ones to... I think all that has more to do with him being a self absorbed, self-important A$$4073 than any other thing.

I think he and the Republican leadership are playing a long con, and what comes out of that is what they've been after all along. If we don't wind up with single-payer insurance and gang-of-eight amnesty out of this presidency, I will truly be surprised.

Left foot, right foot, as we shuffle on to Gomorrah.

[Polly Ticks]

uh huh, yeah right.  And unicorns can crap icecream

Wow. Totally off-topic, but that's got to be the most beautiful ice cream cone / unicorn crap I've ever seen.

[Oceander]

Not true.  I wish that everyone was a nice person.  I wish that nobody cheated on their wife or husband.  I wish that nobody hated.

I even wish that homosexuals had been willing to accept legal union and not force a divisive issue like gay marriage on us.

I am a social conservative in ALMOST every sense of the word, but I don't believe it should be a part  of the Republican platform to force my definition of morality on anyone.

[Bigun]

@Bigun

And our glorious leaders in the eGOP and DNC are still not content.  They will bring us to a global socialist government where the little people live in dorms and praise the govt.

Yep!  That does indeed seem the ultimate goal and they will likely get it done over my cold dead body!

[txradioguy]

I didn't see it that way. I saw the play, moving it to Iraq, But I saw it as brilliant strategy. It's a helluva lot easier to kill em in a sandbox than in the rocky teeth of the Afghanistan mountains... And it is.
But then they quit early and started nation-building, and moved into Afghanistan too (which is as dumb a move as there is), so the idea that it was military strategy kinda started going right on out the window.

I think all that's a lot of sunshine blowing up your skirt.
The fact of the matter is that Trump IS one of them. You don't play NYC crony-capitalism without playing political games.

As to bipartisan 'hate', yeah. he's got all the right enemies... But he's got all the wrong ones to... I think all that has more to do with him being a self absorbed, self-important A$$4073 than any other thing.

I think he and the Republican leadership are playing a long con, and what comes out of that is what they've been after all along. If we don't wind up with single-payer insurance and gang-of-eight amnesty out of this presidency, I will truly be surprised.

Left foot, right foot, as we shuffle on to Gomorrah.

QFT

[Sanguine]

Wow. Totally off-topic, but that's got to be the most beautiful ice cream cone / unicorn crap I've ever seen.

I know!  It's beautiful.

[Emjay]

It wasn't an attack @Emjay ... certainly wasn't meant to be so if you feel it was, I apologize.

That you used "Trump lovers" again, this time stressing it is the correct term, is demeaning and disrespectful to me.  I've let you know this and now I'll let you decide if you want to use the term again---when talking with me.

Yes, Emjay, people do get excited about someone they support.  (And I'm assuming you're not throwing "excited" out here from the sewer.)  The essence of political support IS excitement.  Excitement in the hope and the vision the candidate promises.  I will admit this has not been the case for Republicans, especially conservative Republicans, for more than a generation so this memory may well have faded.

Again, IMO Cruz is not anyone's political kryptonite, certainly not outside of Texas.  But if you insist on applying the term to the President and his supporters, you've got it backwards.  We were political kryptonite for Ted Cruz.

And finally, you do try to give the President his due.  I know how difficult that can be here ... like a salmon swimming upstream through a lot of clutter.

But outside the forum people are doing this on a daily basis.  They're not posting about it or giving interviews about it.  It just is what adults do.  I hope your being an adult doesn't mean we can't, at times, agree to disagree.

Thanks for listening.   ^-^

Okay.  Nice try but no points.  So many people here have been utterly brutal to Trump and I'm wondering why you chose to direct your attack at one of the people who have attempted to be fair to him.

And everything I said was true.  If anyone mentions Cruz, you Trump Lovers go ballistic and for no reason.  Trump was utterly horrible to Ted Cruz and lied repeatedly about him during the campaign. 

Ted Cruz did not retaliate but you cannot forgive him for telling people to 'vote their conscience.'

In the end, Ted endorsed Trump which was probably the deciding factor in his victory.

You do have some kind of unnatural attachment to Trump ... I don't know if it's love but it's certainly not just political support.

In the end, you have alienated someone who was 'kinda' on your side.

Good going.