Replacing the Republican Party

[Jazzhead]

Obviously, you missed several posts.

It has been suggested here that conservatism is in the ascendancy and that a lot of states, successful ones, are run by Republicans.

Perfect Republicans?  Of course not.  But better than the Dems who have bankrupted and destroyed the states they run.

We don't need to go outside the party to find conservatives.

 

And the corollary is that if we insist on going outside the party to find conservatives,  we'll never achieve political power.   And what good is conservatism without political power?   

[Emjay]

@INVAR
You sound just like Obama.   You must break the system if you want to rebuild it.   At least he realizes that if you break our existing system it sure won't be replaced with one adhering to Constitutional provisions.

Ironic, isn't it.  Obama broke the system but he left out the second part. 

One thing Trump is not given credit for is the mess he inherited and a lot of those swamp critters are still around.  They will be weeded out but it will take time.

I'm praying for Kelly.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

WHEN was the last time ANYONE made something better by voting/asking for more of the same?

@sneakypete
Who is asking for more of the same?

[Emjay]

You can be the most hated man in America...and as long as you control the money and the committee assignments you can insulate yourself from any type of internal revolt or move to oust you from power.

But that's now.  Congress critters have some self-interest and they will eventually see that continuing to keep McConnell in power is not helping them or the party.

[TomSea]

@DCPatriot

Just because a lie is popular and often repeated,doesn't mean it's not a lie. Neither the Christian or any other religion I know of promotes or rewards free speech and thought. You either agree with the dogma,or the leadership condemns you to an eternity of torture.

On the other hand the US Constitution is all about the state enforcing and protecting the right of individuals to live their lives freely without government intervention as long as they are not harming anyone else.

We,as a nation do seem to have wandered a bit,haven't we?

The Founding Fathers in plenty of instances, said our nation is based on Christian principles, that, iow and not to put words in their mouth, we are a Christian nation. Again, I will go with the words of Our Founding Fathers, such as John Adams and George Washington.

16 Founding Fathers' Quotes
George Washington

1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.
John Adams

2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.

"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty...

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

https://www.thoughtco.com/christian-quotes-of-the-founding-fathers-700789

Yes, and people like Jefferson and Madison spoke against Christianity some. Anyway, I think there is a lot of credence that the US does have such foundations.

[INVAR]

Ok. That clarifies things a little for me ... which still though brings me  back to me point originally; unless you have a 3rd party candidate with a lot of money behind him and significant name recognition they will not win over the other two parties.  The voting population would also need to get over the stigma associated with 3rd party voting.  That's reality.  The DC cesspool exists and we're never going to fix it from the top.

Voting for someone to high office is NOT going to remedy the collapse into Socialism and Statism.  Until and unless this people WANT limited government and liberty - they will continue to vote for whomever promises to give them stuff and whatever promises they make to punish those they blame for not receiving all the goodies the population thinks it is owed for simply breathing.

The voting population has figured out that it can vote itself largesse from the treasury.  The Founders noted that would be the death knell for liberty in this country.

And so it has.

[INVAR]

Disgraceful namecalling by @MOD3 , calling people Trollls and the lie that people are going off topic noted. 

Nothing like sticking the gun in your mouth and pulling the trigger. 

[txradioguy]

But that's now.  Congress critters have some self-interest and they will eventually see that continuing to keep McConnell in power is not helping them or the party.

What McConnell has done is scare off any serious political challenges to his power in DC.  He's openly supporting people who will vote the way he wants and threatening those who won't and even the consulting and ad agencies that might be employed by primary challengers with being blackballed if they work for anyone but a McConnell approved candidate.

When you poison the well in that fashion...you open the door for the anti Conservatives...RINO's GOPe whatever you want to call them to call the tune.

The only self interest most Congress Critters have is in getting re elected and seeing their name favorably mentioned in the WaPo and NYT.

If their self interest was truly in serving their people back home that sent them to office...there wouldn't be the need of even talking in a joking manner about a replacement for the Republican Party.

[truth_seeker]

One more off topic post and there will be people going to sit in the corner for awhile like the spoiled brats they are.

There are members who are purposely trying to shut this thread down.  To those replying to @TomSea @truth_seeker or @aligncare on anything that is not related to the OP stop.  They are purposely luring you into an off topic debate to try and insulate themselves from punishment for ignoring my previous warning.

Unless you'd like to join them, quit feeding the trolls.

Every post of mine has been strictly on the subject. No personal attacks, no name calling.   

[sneakypete]

Ironic, isn't it.  Obama broke the system but he left out the second part. 

@Emjay

Bathhouse Barry didn't even break the system. He is nothing more than an idiot savant that happened to be the "right color" that spoke good English and could read the words written for him,even if he didn't know what they meant. If he didn't have a skin color protected from criticism,he would be known as the dumbest MoFo  to ever occupy the Oval Office,and a worse president than Jimmy Carter,which is taking in some seriously incompetent territory.

One thing Trump is not given credit for is the mess he inherited and a lot of those swamp critters are still around.  They will be weeded out but it will take time.

Of course not. The mainstream media and the talking heads can't mention that without admitting their heroes and pals were and are responsible for it all.
 

[sneakypete]

@sneakypete
Who is asking for more of the same?

@driftdiver

Anybody and everybody that suggests we vote for one of the usual suspects because of the initial behind his or her name.

[Emjay]

What McConnell has done is scare off any serious political challenges to his power in DC.  He's openly supporting people who will vote the way he wants and threatening those who won't and even the consulting and ad agencies that might be employed by primary challengers with being blackballed if they work for anyone but a McConnell approved candidate.

When you poison the well in that fashion...you open the door for the anti Conservatives...RINO's GOPe whatever you want to call them to call the tune.

The only self interest most Congress Critters have is in getting re elected and seeing their name favorably mentioned in the WaPo and NYT.

If their self interest was truly in serving their people back home that sent them to office...there wouldn't be the need of even talking in a joking manner about a replacement for the Republican Party.

Even if your cynicism is justified, it is in the self-interest of the Congress to get rid of a man who is dragging the whole congress down

[txradioguy]

Every post of mine has been strictly on the subject. No personal attacks, no name calling.

*ahem*

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,277877.msg1428707.html#msg1428707


Doesn't have much to do with the topic. 

Just sayin...

[endicom]

...(a number I pulled out of my ass)...

I pull 0 out of my ass cuz there's nothing there to snag.

[txradioguy]

Even if your cynicism is justified, it is in the self-interest of the Congress to get rid of a man who is dragging the whole congress down

It's not cynicism it's the truth.

Ask Matt Bevin how it went for him when he primaried McConnell.

That race is what gave us Mitch's famous quote about crushing the TEA Party.

Political animals like McConnell and McCain know how to play the game and survive.  That's why they can say and do the most Liberal of things 5 out of every six years of their term...then suddenly start talking like a Reagan Conservative at election time.

Don't make the fatal mistake of thinking everyone is as aware on a daily basis of politics as the people that post in forums like this.

They aren't and as long as it doesn't affect their daily lives they don't care.

Politicians like McConnell bank on that lack of interest to stay in office.

[truth_seeker]

*ahem*

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,277877.msg1428707.html#msg1428707


Doesn't have much to do with the topic. 

Just sayin...

Sure it has to do with the subject. And there is no personal attack, no name calling.

[TomSea]

If we are cracking down on off-topic subjects, then, "imperial presidency", "messiah", "corruption", "not conservatives" etc. should be seen as way off topic by the original article by Codevilla.  It looks like the main thing he was discussing was the health care bill to begin with. Maybe that should be the limit of discussion and talking about the Whig party.

[sneakypete]

The Founding Fathers in plenty of instances, said our nation is based on Christian principles, that, iow and not to put words in their mouth, we are a Christian nation. Again, I will go with the words of Our Founding Fathers, such as John Adams and George Washington.

What else would you have them say in public in a time when saying you didn't believe in God could mean being locked up in jail,and then shunned by everyone in business so you couldn't make a living.

The one thing Karl Marx was right about is religion being the opiate of the masses. Jefferson and the others may have been educated men with a broad viewpoint on life,but they still had to "sell" the idea of independence and revolution to a mostly illiterate and superstitious crowd that would be the ones doing most of the fighting and dying. Good luck winning a war by yourself.

Saying such things was the custom,and everyone did it. The term "god bless!" is still used today. This stuff is ingrained in the culture and there is nothing that can be done about it.

On the other hand,in their writings to each other they were more open with their actual viewpoints,but even then they followed the custom of writing such drivel as "On the 12th of May in Our Lords year of 17XX" on the letter headings. It was what was taught to the children that were lucky enough to receive a formal education back then,so it was what they used.


https://www.thoughtco.com/christian-quotes-of-the-founding-fathers-700789

Yes, and people like Jefferson and Madison spoke against Christianity some.

To be fair,I don't think they spoke against the idea of Christianity (or any other religion,AFATG),as much as they were speaking out on the historically proven FACT that allowing organized religion too much power over a nation corrupted the nation and made slaves of the people. This issue was really current with them as The Reformation and the troubles in England and the Catholic Church were more current history than ancient history .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_English_Reformation

It can be truthfully said the War of the Catholics against the Protestants was still going on in Northern Ireland right up to recent years. Old Man Joe Kennedy lost his job as Ambassador to the Court of St.James during WW-2 after being caught giving war plans to the IRA to give to the Nazi's.

Anyway, I think there is a lot of credence that the US does have such foundations.

True. There is nothing wrong with establishing there is good and evil,and that good should be supported and evil fought against. The problem only starts when you choose a religious organization to determine what is good and what is evil. Suddenly you have innocent people being put to death in pots of boiling oil because they dared to question a church official,or even the existence of Gawd Himself.

One truism is that absolute power corrupts absolutely,and few other than the fat boy that owns North Korea have such absolute power today. Every village priest had that power back in the Middle Ages,though.

It also needs to be said that corrupt stranglehold over people was broken because of one of the bravest men in history standing up and questioning authority,Martin Luther. What is truly amazing is the he was a Catholic Priest himself,and thought the Church had too much power over the people and the governments.

[endicom]

In addition to the truth you spoke, can we have an over/under in how long it would take some perpetually angry people here to turn on the third party if by some miracle one got in power.

And turn on each other. A political irony is that the closer to their goal is the more a group will fracture.

[driftdiver]

@driftdiver

Anybody and everybody that suggests we vote for one of the usual suspects because of the initial behind his or her name.

@sneakypete
Whereas voting for a candidate that has zero chance of winning is a smart move?   yeah thats gonna change things for the better.   /s

[sneakypete]

Voting for someone to high office is NOT going to remedy the collapse into Socialism and Statism.  Until and unless this people WANT limited government and liberty - they will continue to vote for whomever promises to give them stuff and whatever promises they make to punish those they blame for not receiving all the goodies the population thinks it is owed for simply breathing.

The voting population has figured out that it can vote itself largesse from the treasury.  The Founders noted that would be the death knell for liberty in this country.

And so it has.

@INVAR

I am betting that if Kim Jong-un were able to run for President of the US,and ran on a platform of "FREE HBO FOR EVERYBODY!" as the sole item of his platform,that he would get more votes than either the alleged Republican or the Dim candidate.

Yeah,WE are political junkies that are interested in details,but we are a tiny minority of the voters in this country. From what I see in real life,a majority of the people here only start to pay attention to politics the last 2 or 3 months of a presidential election cycle,and literally don't have the first clue about what the actual issues or or the understanding of them. What they want and look for is someone who "looks and sounds presidential",and gives them the "warm and fuzzy feeling" when he or she speaks.  You just can't go wrong from promising those people free HBO.

[roamer_1]

@sneakypete
Whereas voting for a candidate that has zero chance of winning is a smart move?   yeah thats gonna change things for the better.   /s

Again, that depends upon what you want to call 'winning'.

[Emjay]

*ahem*

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,277877.msg1428707.html#msg1428707


Doesn't have much to do with the topic. 

Just sayin...

I thought we already had mods ...

[txradioguy]

Sure it has to do with the subject. And there is no personal attack, no name calling.

What does talking about how many fundamental Christians and who they voted for in the last election have to do with the OP? Or what the Mod warned about?

Hint: Zero.

And I didn't say you were name calling or attacking anyone.  I bolded the specific part I was addressing.

[sneakypete]

I pull 0 out of my ass cuz there's nothing there to snag.

@endicom

???? Advertising for a date?