Replacing the Republican Party

[sneakypete]

I agree; the GOPe certainly has declared war on conservatism.  The past several general election cycles have proven that.  McCain - Romney - Trump?  Seriously??

@libertybele

It's all about following,not leading. They will say and do anything they need to say and do to remain in office and in power,and they are convinced to do that they have to attract the PC Dim or Dim-leaning voters who think the goobermint is their daddy. Since they get money and power FROM doing this,they see no reason to NOT do that.

In short,they are whores waiting for orders from their pimps.

[Jazzhead]

It's much more immediate than that my friend!  The NRSC will pull out ALL the stops to try and prevent the election of Roy Moore to the Senate next month in Alabama!

I hope they succeed!

[txradioguy]

I hope they succeed!

And your claim to be a Conservative goes down in flames yet again.

[aligncare]

I find it more than mildly amusing the American people threw a great big turd in the middle of the DC punchbowl.

Proves that the American people still have the ultimate power.

It is the Joe Schmos like me, and you, who are holding this country together. Go to work everyday. Hoping that somehow things will get better. But still trying.

Which is more than the people in Washington.

Forming a new party would be easy. Tell Cruz, if he such a conservative, to drop the R and go with an I. People can encourage all their reps to do the same. The people want something different. Look at who they elected.

But that won't happen. All those azzholes in DC like it the way it is. They don't care that much to try and actually go with something different.

You're mostly correct, big. You just need to shift your emphasis a little: the essential part that makes the entire corrupt system work as it does are the donors. It is they that like the way things are. Make a large political donation and your building project that's stalled because of new zoning restrictions or environmental or safety laws and magically a waiver appears. Multiply that across entire sectors of the economy, and there you have the system. Reelection committees love it, politicians are resigned to it, and without it your favorite senator may have to actually work for a living.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.   Only if you're a Republican do you have the means of translating conservative ideas into conservative policy.  Sure, you'll have to put up with those nasty centrists and libertarians and Trumpsters who disturb the echo chamber you'd prefer, but that's the price of belonging to a coalition that can successfully obtain and wield political power.

Conservatives who aren't Republican make a little noise on the internet but otherwise contribute bupkis.

What is it, 29 governorships and counting?  Control of the House and Senate?   Yup,  the Republican party is alive and well - thanks in part to the cretins who think "conservatives" need to reject the GOP.   Who needs that negative energy anyway?   Politics is a different game than venting on the internet.

Some see history as such a little thing, they fail to understand and learn from it.  The Whigs thought the same way as you - after all, they were part of a two party system that in a short time had 4 US Presidents - all in the span of 20 years. 

If you had been around back then, you would have proclaimed 'if you were not a Whig, you are irrelevant as far as I am concerned'.

Well, the Whigs went away in a very short time.  Guess what?  A third party rose from its ashes to challenge the Democrats - a party called the Grand Old Party.  It had a lot of former Whigs in it, including one named Abraham Lincoln, who was a Whig longer than he was a Republican.

Don't say it cannot be done - it can be done, no matter what the little brains of some say otherwise.

[sneakypete]

I find it more than mildly amusing the American people threw a great big turd in the middle of the DC punchbowl.

@bigheadfred

I think it is highly appropriate. Who better qualified to deal with the cesspool that is DC?

[IsailedawayfromFR]

It's much more immediate than that my friend!  The NRSC will pull out ALL the stops to try and prevent the election of Roy Moore to the Senate next month in Alabama!

I believe you are right.

Watch the GOP-funded media begin the assault on his character and brandish him close to being a war criminal.

[Jazzhead]

And your claim to be a Conservative goes down in flames yet again.

I support the incumbent, Sen. Strange.   That means I'm not a conservative?   

[Jazzhead]

Don't say it cannot be done - it can be done, no matter what the little brains of some say otherwise.

It can't be done.   

[roamer_1]

If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.   

Quite the other way around.

Only if you're a Republican do you have the means of translating conservative ideas into conservative policy. 

THIRTY YEARS with *no* real and lasting movement toward Conservatism as enabled by the Republican Party proves you wrong.

Sure, you'll have to put up with those nasty centrists and libertarians and Trumpsters who disturb the echo chamber you'd prefer, but that's the price of belonging to a coalition that can successfully obtain and wield political power.

LOL! Like now?

Conservatives who aren't Republican make a little noise on the internet but otherwise contribute bupkis.

Oh i don't know. I was part of large funding drives, mostly for pro-life causes, for decades. All that dough poured onto Republican coffers seems to be 'a little noise, but otherwise bupkis'. what a waste of time that was, eh?

Now, if everything works out,  all that time and money is going directly into a non-profit and will serve the same need - but not a drip of it will go to Republicans. It will go where it will make a direct and effective difference instead.

What is it, 29 governorships and counting? 

Thanks almost exclusively to TEA Party guys like me. Never ever again.

Control of the House and Senate?   

To what end? Certainly not Conservatism. Watch and see.

Yup,  the Republican party is alive and well - thanks in part to the cretins who think "conservatives" need to reject the GOP.   Who needs that negative energy anyway?   

The Republican party is a caricature. It has no purpose or form except to promote 3rd-way Socialism.
The energy I am spending now is very bright, and far more useful than the thirty years of nothing  that came from my efforts for Republicans.

Politics is a different game than venting on the internet.

While admitting I stay more on the money side of it, I dare say I probably know that better than you do.

[Bigun]

If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

@Jazzhead

The only reason I saw this is that someone quoted it!  That's how irrelevant you are to me!

[libertybele]

And your claim to be a Conservative goes down in flames yet again.

Yes and his claims of being a conservative are becoming very tiring.  Anyone that thinks Kasich is a conservative needs to re-examine their principles.

[INVAR]

If you're a conservative but not a Republican then you're irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Good.  That is exactly what we prefer you liberals think.   

Only if you're a Republican do you have the means of translating conservative ideas into conservative policy.

30 years and little to show for such a bogus statement.  I don't give a rats ass how many 'numbers' you claim.   We gave the GOP all 3 branches to stop Obama's agenda and repeal ObamaCare and have bupkis to show for it outside of ONE SCOTUS nominee we have yet to see rule.

but that's the price of belonging to a coalition that can successfully obtain and wield political power.

Yeah, we've seen it.  They wield Big Government Liberal Statism, just like you advocate.

the Republican party is alive and well - thanks in part to the cretins who think "conservatives" need to reject the GOP.   Who needs that negative energy anyway?   

Then you have nothing to worry about from us in terms of your cheerleading your Democrat Party Lite.  We're going to continue to separate from your party of Statism.

Don't think that you're more virtuous than others because you won't sully yourself with a party that includes others who may disagree with you from time to time, or who see the utility of pragmatism.   

And what if we do?  What do you intend to do about it?  Practicing insanity is not exactly a virtuous position.  It's a lazy one. 

[TomSea]

Trump gains more social conservative issues victories; more than any other president on some issues. Apparently, this is not a balanced debate and that is the most that can be said.  And certainly, Trump is more accomplished on conservative issues now than any of his competitors in 2016.

Trump defines some conservatism, the rest is whine and sour grapes.

Border security too; crossings down 47%; to deny these things is just to live on another planet. Foreign policy victories as well.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I support the incumbent, Sen. Strange.   That means I'm not a conservative?   

You mean Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama who dropped impeachment charges against Governor Bentley when the Governor nominated him as Senator to replace Sessions?

No wonder it is called the Grand Old Party.

[Cyber Liberty]

You mean Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama who dropped impeachment charges against Governor Bentley when the Governor nominated him as Senator to replace Sessions?

That's a feature, not a bug.

[aligncare]

Trump gains more social conservative issues victories; more than any other president on some issues. Apparently, this is not a balanced debate and that is the most that can be said.  And certainly, Trump is more accomplished on conservative issues now than any of his competitors in 2016.

Trump defines some conservatism, the rest is whine and sour grapes.

Border security too; crossings down 47%; to deny these things is just to live on another planet. Foreign policy victories as well.

I take it you don't get your news from CNN. Trump is a liberal who appeals to white supremacist. Listen to the echo and get with the program. Tune in, turn on, drop out.

[Sanguine]

@bigheadfred

I think it is highly appropriate. Who better qualified to deal with the cesspool that is DC?

Someone with a clear set of conservatives beliefs and an ethical nature?

[Jazzhead]

You mean Luther Strange, the Attorney General of Alabama who dropped impeachment charges against Governor Bentley when the Governor nominated him as Senator to replace Sessions?

No wonder it is called the Grand Old Party.

Better Luther Strange than Roy Moore.   Brooks, the guy who came in third, was the best choice, IMO.   

[Bigun]

Someone with a clear set of conservatives beliefs and an ethical nature?

@Sanguine

You can remove the question mark IMHO!

[Sanguine]

@Sanguine

You can remove the question mark IMHO!

It was such an odd statement it had me confused. 

[Bigun]

That's a feature, not a bug.

You betcha!  100%

[Smokin Joe]

I know what I believe in, SJ.  My principles are as firm as yours are.    Don't think that you're more virtuous than others because you won't sully yourself with a party that includes others who may disagree with you from time to time, or who see the utility of pragmatism.

Nope, That is not what I disagree with.

I disagree with a party that from time to time has the power to resist the Socialist agenda and somehow always manages to fall short of that. Way short, almost as if they go along. I see a party that advances the tools that the socialists need to make a repressive society and then, when the socialists have done so, doesn't roll back the tide.

 It is as if the encroachments on our Liberty are an incoming tide under the Democrats, but at best it stops for a while and never goes back out under the GOP.

If the Party does not represent my values except during the campaign season, it is a bunch of useless liars paying lip service, but no more, to the ideals I embrace.

It's that simple, they're all hat and no cattle.

[sneakypete]

I take it you don't get your news from CNN. Trump is a liberal who appeals to white supremacist.

@aligncare

Yeah,causen eberbodie nose white supremacists are "group bunny hug liberals that think minorities,especially blacks,should have more rights than the rest of us".

Good thinking!

[sneakypete]

Someone with a clear set of conservatives beliefs and an ethical nature?

@Sanguine

You are either on drugs or have been dropped on your head a hundred times too many if you think an ethical conservative has ANY chance of being elected to federal office at this time. Being ethical automatically disqualifies you for public office these days,and that goes double for federal office.