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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #25 on: August 18, 2017, 08:07:34 pm »
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The title and the purpose of the article is to in my own way highlight the hypocrisy of the left when they want to start erasing history by removing monuments and changing the names of parks etc.  Thanks to decades of revisionism they've managed to project their history of hate murder and racism onto Republicans.

And like a battered wife...the Republicans have let the Dems do this and haven't fought back by pointing out the obvious things like what I listed above.

Three things on that list alone would shut up and shut down your average BLM militant in a heartbeat.

Instead we have at least two generations of Americans that think all the racist Dems jumped ship in Nixon's mythical Southern Strategy (only one did IIRC it was Strom Thurmond).  And we have people who will tell you seriously with a straight face that George Wallace was a Republican.

Totally agree.  We have been cowardly and let our fear of being called racist by true racists keep us from acting.

It has to stop.

I've been suggesting a moratorium  on all street protests.

The democrats have declared victory after Charlottesville and are busy planning more disasters.

Freedom of Assembly has always been a sacred right but freedom to riot does not fall under that umbrella.  When you come to a 'peaceful' assembly armed with baseball bats and all sorts of nasty weapons, you are a rioter.

No permits should be issued for assemblies without the participants being thoroughly vetted and then having to go through checkpoints.

We've abandoned a lot of freedoms because of terrorism ... just try to get on an airplane and it's a shame we had to do that, but we now have to curtail freedom of assembly until we can be absolutely sure it is a peaceful assembly.

And then, we need to have plenty of police presence and it should be armed with non-lethal and lethal weapons in case things get out of hand.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #26 on: August 18, 2017, 08:11:36 pm »
Totally agree.  We have been cowardly and let our fear of being called racist by true racists keep us from acting.

It has to stop.

I've been suggesting a moratorium  on all street protests.

The democrats have declared victory after Charlottesville and are busy planning more disasters.

Freedom of Assembly has always been a sacred right but freedom to riot does not fall under that umbrella.  When you come to a 'peaceful' assembly armed with baseball bats and all sorts of nasty weapons, you are a rioter.

No permits should be issued for assemblies without the participants being thoroughly vetted and then having to go through checkpoints.

We've abandoned a lot of freedoms because of terrorism ... just try to get on an airplane and it's a shame we had to do that, but we now have to curtail freedom of assembly until we can be absolutely sure it is a peaceful assembly.

And then, we need to have plenty of police presence and it should be armed with non-lethal and lethal weapons in case things get out of hand.



And suggestions that would make any Statist/Communist applaud.

The people want the illusion of safety and security - not liberty.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #27 on: August 18, 2017, 08:30:53 pm »
Freedom of Assembly has always been a sacred right but freedom to riot does not fall under that umbrella.  When you come to a 'peaceful' assembly armed with baseball bats and all sorts of nasty weapons, you are a rioter.

No permits should be issued for assemblies without the participants being thoroughly vetted and then having to go through checkpoints.

@Emjay

No permits were issued to Antifa.


We've abandoned a lot of freedoms because of terrorism ... just try to get on an airplane and it's a shame we had to do that, but we now have to curtail freedom of assembly until we can be absolutely sure it is a peaceful assembly.

And then, we need to have plenty of police presence and it should be armed with non-lethal and lethal weapons in case things get out of hand.

You clearly are ignoring the government's role in this.  For over a month, the white supremacist groups have been holding public assemblies in Charlottesville.  For over a month, Charlottesville police have been issuing permits, keeping the peace, making arrests when assaults occurred.

But this day was different.  This day, the governor declared a state of emergency, and took control away from the Charlottesville police.  The governor chased the white supremacists out of their legally permitted area using tear gas, and forced them into the path of armed non-permitted Antifa thugs.  The two sides were briefly separated while the white supremacists were corralled into an area of another park.  The Antifa group was allowed to set up a line blocking the white supremacists only allowed exit from that park.  And then state police using full riot gear forced the white supremacists from the second park directly into the waiting line of Antifa demonstrators.

Government fascism is not the answer here.  A suspension of the Bill of Rights is not the answer either.  The answer is a government that honors equal protection under the law - one that does not choose sides - but who represents both sides just as the Charlottesville police had been doing for five weeks.

Terry McAuliffe has blood on his hands.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2017, 08:33:48 pm »
@Emjay

No permits were issued to Antifa.


You clearly are ignoring the government's role in this.  For over a month, the white supremacist groups have been holding public assemblies in Charlottesville.  For over a month, Charlottesville police have been issuing permits, keeping the peace, making arrests when assaults occurred.

But this day was different.  This day, the governor declared a state of emergency, and took control away from the Charlottesville police.  The governor chased the white supremacists out of their legally permitted area using tear gas, and forced them into the path of armed non-permitted Antifa thugs.  The two sides were briefly separated while the white supremacists were corralled into an area of another park.  The Antifa group was allowed to set up a line blocking the white supremacists only allowed exit from that park.  And then state police using full riot gear forced the white supremacists from the second park directly into the waiting line of Antifa demonstrators.

Government fascism is not the answer here.  A suspension of the Bill of Rights is not the answer either.  The answer is a government that honors equal protection under the law - one that does not choose sides - but who represents both sides just as the Charlottesville police had been doing for five weeks.

Terry McAuliffe has blood on his hands.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2017, 08:37:13 pm »
@Emjay

No permits were issued to Antifa.


You clearly are ignoring the government's role in this.  For over a month, the white supremacist groups have been holding public assemblies in Charlottesville.  For over a month, Charlottesville police have been issuing permits, keeping the peace, making arrests when assaults occurred.

But this day was different.  This day, the governor declared a state of emergency, and took control away from the Charlottesville police.  The governor chased the white supremacists out of their legally permitted area using tear gas, and forced them into the path of armed non-permitted Antifa thugs.  The two sides were briefly separated while the white supremacists were corralled into an area of another park.  The Antifa group was allowed to set up a line blocking the white supremacists only allowed exit from that park.  And then state police using full riot gear forced the white supremacists from the second park directly into the waiting line of Antifa demonstrators.

Government fascism is not the answer here.  A suspension of the Bill of Rights is not the answer either.  The answer is a government that honors equal protection under the law - one that does not choose sides - but who represents both sides just as the Charlottesville police had been doing for five weeks.

Terry McAuliffe has blood on his hands.

I know all that and yes, Terry McAuliffe has much to answer for.

But in view of the libs stated plans to have more such riots and in view of the fact, that there are far too many Terry McAuliffe's, I just think it's sensible to stop all gatherings of this nature until we can assess the situation more fully and figure how to deal with it on a national level.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #30 on: August 18, 2017, 08:49:57 pm »
I just think it's sensible to stop all gatherings of this nature until we can assess the situation more fully and figure how to deal with it on a national level.

That makes you an enemy of the Constitution.

Suspending the right to petition for redress is nothing less than martial law.
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Re: If Liberals Are TRULY Serious About Wiping Out Racism in America
« Reply #31 on: August 18, 2017, 08:50:09 pm »
I know all that and yes, Terry McAuliffe has much to answer for.

But in view of the libs stated plans to have more such riots and in view of the fact, that there are far too many Terry McAuliffe's, I just think it's sensible to stop all gatherings of this nature until we can assess the situation more fully and figure how to deal with it on a national level.
It is a local problem. Let the local authorities deal with it, both in terms of permitting and policing. If the local authorities cannot deal with it, do not issue permits and round up any who violate such laws.
If they cannot deal with that situation, they can request State assistance in the form of State Police or even National Guard.
This is not a Federal matter unless it involves the interstate movement of people for the purpose of inciting violence--which it well may. But until those bad actors are rounded up and processed (in a criminal suspect sense), that cannot be verified. Federal cooperation might be handy at that point, and if appropriate Federal charges. It hasn't been that long since Stokeley Carmichael, H. Rap Brown, and Eldridge Cleaver were making the rounds and fomenting violence, and if those in office don't recall, there were commissions which made reports about the widespread racial violence of the '60s which detail how to stop this crap. To go a step further, in GOP controlled legislatures, the threat of impeachment of the Governors who fail to keep the peace should loom large over those who do not have the sand to make sure that equal protection under the law is upheld.
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