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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2017, 06:05:17 am »
What gets lost in the history of that time period was that there were also white slaves from Europe and Great Britain. Some had debts to pay and others got into trouble and were given a choice to become indentured servants in the new world or go to prison there. The prisons at the time were nasty dirty places were they were barely fed and given clean water.

More importantly, because these white slaves had an expiration date when they would be released as a free people but with no where to go and nothing to do it with; they were worked much harder than the black slaves at the time. Many never lived to be a free person again. They were considered expendable whereas the black slaves were for life and many were considered a part of an extended family more or less. A very different dynamic. No one likes the idea of someone being a slave but if you were a slave during that time period; you were better off being a black slave rather than a white one. You ate better and lived longer plus you didn't have to work as hard.

Looking back, because of the societal problems we keep having over and over, maybe the farmers should have only used white slaves and not imported any from Africa. Hindsight is always 20/20 as they say though.
It was cheaper to hire someone than to put a slave who represented an investment into the hold of a ship loading and unloading cargo.

But history will be the first casualty in this ethnic cleansing.

If a foreign power had invaded and toppled our monuments, Americans would be fighting to repulse them. Instead the damage is being done from within.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2017, 06:08:04 am »
They began putting up monuments about the time Civil War veterans started dying away. They also became popular at the 100th anniversary.

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2017, 06:13:35 am »
Hey boy, why don't you tell everybody how you're going to lead the bronie brigades to victory in your glorious rainbow colored civil war.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3276458/posts

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OMG. There's quite a bit of that going on over there. I didn't believe it until I saw it with my own two.

What a bunch of bleep.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2017, 10:22:28 am »
It was cheaper to hire someone than to put a slave who represented an investment into the hold of a ship loading and unloading cargo.

But history will be the first casualty in this ethnic cleansing.

If a foreign power had invaded and toppled our monuments, Americans would be fighting to repulse them. Instead the damage is being done from within.

Reminds me of this:

Letter: Khrushchev prediction slowly coming true

“We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!

“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”

This is a quote attributed to the late Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev.


http://amarillo.com/opinion/letters-editor/2012-10-08/letter-khrushchev-prediction-slowly-coming-true


The irony is if communism destroys a country; why was the USSR a communist country? It has morphed into a commie light / capitalist hybrid nation today and doing much better. Turns out communists like nice things too.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2017, 10:24:57 am »
It was cheaper to hire someone than to put a slave who represented an investment into the hold of a ship loading and unloading cargo.

 

Should have picked our own damned cotton.

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #55 on: August 17, 2017, 11:03:07 am »
Or Jackson Browne, or Reggie Jackson ...

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #56 on: August 17, 2017, 11:14:58 am »
Reminds me of this:

Letter: Khrushchev prediction slowly coming true

“We will take America without firing a shot ... we will bury you!

“We can’t expect the American people to jump from capitalism to communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have communism.

“We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within.”

This is a quote attributed to the late Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev.


http://amarillo.com/opinion/letters-editor/2012-10-08/letter-khrushchev-prediction-slowly-coming-true


The irony is if communism destroys a country; why was the USSR a communist country? It has morphed into a commie light / capitalist hybrid nation today and doing much better. Turns out communists like nice things too.
Well, there IS this....
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1963 COMMUNIST GOALS FOR AMERICA

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR.  OF FL IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Entered into the Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 ._1.   on Thursday, January 10, 1963


Mr. HERLONG [said:]_a.. "Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
    At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:.
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war. 
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament of the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China.  Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind.  If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. 
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.   
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
'15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
'16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. 
-17. Get control of the schools _b..  Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda.  Soften the curriculum.   Get control of teachers' associations.   Put the party line in textbooks.
-18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
-19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
-20. Infiltrate the press.  Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
'22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression.  An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums.  "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
'24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press. 
-25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.   
'26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy." ]
'27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.  Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch." 
-28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers.  Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
-31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."  Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
-32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc. 
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities. 
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
-36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
'37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business. 
'38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies.  Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand. [HHS - HRS kidnap children from parents without due process.]
'39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
-40. Discredit the family _d. as an institution.  Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
-41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents.  Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
-42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike."

Additional commentary at the source: http://neprimer.com/1963ComGoals.htm
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #57 on: August 17, 2017, 11:15:28 am »
Reggie Jackson had a candy bar named after him!!! :)

Reggie tried to kill the Queen


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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #58 on: August 17, 2017, 11:30:45 am »
Didn't about a half dozen get some blows onto the statue?  Prosecute them all.

@catfish1957

Have you seen the video of the woman pushing at the statue?  No wonder it fell.  I'm surprised she made it up the ladder.

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
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I disagree.  Circle gets the square.

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #61 on: August 17, 2017, 02:11:59 pm »
Not the first NC arrest, it would seem.....

http://northcarolina.arrests.org/Arrests/Ngoc%20loan_Tran_26717055/

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I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.


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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #63 on: August 17, 2017, 02:19:32 pm »
With a name like Tran, I suppose it could go either way.   Nice high school mustache in the 2016 mug shot.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #65 on: August 17, 2017, 03:44:52 pm »
With a name like Tran, I suppose it could go either way.   Nice high school mustache in the 2016 mug shot.
Vietnamese name?
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #66 on: August 17, 2017, 03:48:41 pm »
Vietnamese name?

Very common one, like Nguyen.  Roughly equivalent to Smith and Jones.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #68 on: August 17, 2017, 05:16:12 pm »
If they had to take Byrd's name off of everything, they'd practically have to change the name of West Virginia.
That is the truth.

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #69 on: August 17, 2017, 08:39:57 pm »
Well, there IS this.... Additional commentary at the source: http://neprimer.com/1963ComGoals.htm

What is that? The leftist manifesto?
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2017, 10:00:23 pm »
What is that? The leftist manifesto?
Those are 45 Stated Communist Goals which were read into the Congressional Record by Congressman Herlong in 1963, about the same time Nikita Kruschev was banging his shoe on the podium.

Most of that list has been done, in contrast to America in '63.
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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #71 on: August 17, 2017, 11:44:21 pm »
The first person they arrested appears to be a student at the University, sounds like she is local.  I don't know about these others.

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« Reply #72 on: August 17, 2017, 11:50:34 pm »
The first person they arrested appears to be a student at the University, sounds like she is local.  I don't know about these others.

Does it matter?

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Re: Woman hit with felony charges for toppling Confederate statue
« Reply #73 on: August 18, 2017, 12:17:58 am »
Does it matter?

Yes.

A local has some sort of defence - "It's in my face every single day." Note, I didn't say a good defence, but it's a defence of sorts. Someone from out of town would have been better - slam dunk conviction.
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« Reply #74 on: August 18, 2017, 12:22:41 am »
Yes.

A local has some sort of defence - "It's in my face every single day." Note, I didn't say a good defence, but it's a defence of sorts. Someone from out of town would have been better - slam dunk conviction.

Must be some sort of UK defence.  Homies don't play that.