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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #100 on: August 18, 2017, 02:01:33 pm »
please show me where in that quote where you said I refused to vote for either Romney or McCain.  You cannot, because I never said it.

Your fervent desire to castigate others causes you to lie.

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You've already been shown.  You said you didn't vote for them.

Can't even remember your own stories.   Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #101 on: August 18, 2017, 02:02:46 pm »
I call out liars.  You are one.  Not an insult, a fact.

I found your picture.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #102 on: August 18, 2017, 02:21:23 pm »
@IsailedawayfromFR
You've already been shown.  You said you didn't vote for them.

Can't even remember your own stories.   Drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
your fantasy story belongs in a Tolkien novel.  I never said I did not vote for them.

Liar.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #103 on: August 18, 2017, 02:24:42 pm »
They were also disasters.  If they had been elected, we would have even further back than the 'compassionate conservatism' of W.

With McCain, it was open borders 8 years ago.  With Romney, it would have been pacification of all the interests which hate conservatives.

With Obama, we see the true face of liberalism in full display, and ultimately, we get enough Americans who do not want the watered-down version of conservatism. 

We do not need to be in middle of the road as you get run over.  I want to be in the fast lane, speeding by the opposition at full throttle on the right, rather than the left which is a head-on waiting to happen.

This is a nihilist perspective.  Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to.  Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.   

So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney?  Don't lie and deny that's what you said.  But  didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible?   Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program.  Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be.    This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.   
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #104 on: August 18, 2017, 02:39:17 pm »
This is a nihilist perspective.  Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to.  Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.   

So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney?  Don't lie and deny that's what you said.  But  didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible?   Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program.  Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be.    This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.   

I hate it, but you're right.  I bit the bullet and voted for McCain and Romney,  but I'm really getting tired of only having the "Bad Choice" and the "Even Worse Choice".

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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #105 on: August 18, 2017, 03:50:59 pm »
This is a nihilist perspective.  Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to.

McCain and Romney didn't win.  But at least Romney ran as a Conservative, while McCain ran as though he wanted to be Obama's VP.

Personally, I believe the Romney campaign was sabotaged.  They spent a ton of money on hi-tech consultant firms who were going to come through on election day to deliver all these votes for Romney.  As it turned out later, all of these consultants were Obama supporters.  Their software developed glitches on election day, with all that money going down the drain.

The whole "most Conservative candidate who can win" is BS anyway.  It is either one or the other.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #106 on: August 18, 2017, 03:53:00 pm »
McCain and Romney didn't win.  But at least Romney ran as a Conservative, while McCain ran as though he wanted to be Obama's VP.

Personally, I believe the Romney campaign was sabotaged.  They spent a ton of money on hi-tech consultant firms who were going to come through on election day to deliver all these votes for Romney.  As it turned out later, all of these consultants were Obama supporters.  Their software developed glitches on election day, with all that money going down the drain.

The whole "most Conservative candidate who can win" is BS anyway.  It is either one or the other.

The "Father of ObamaCare" ran as a Conservative?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #107 on: August 18, 2017, 04:01:19 pm »
The "Father of ObamaCare" ran as a Conservative?!?!?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yes, he did.  Whether you believe he would govern as one is a different matter.  Romney said that the federal government had no business sticking its nose in the insurance market, saying that it was a matter that should be left to the States.  No repeal and replace.  Just repeal.  Romney also said that the federal government should lift its prohibition against interstate commerce regarding insurance, and that people should be allowed to contribute to HSAs tax free.

Believe me, I know what your assessment of Mittens is - most of which I agree.  But as a candidate, Romney stuck to Conservatism.  His first debate with Obama was outstanding.  And as a businessman, he has an outstanding record of returning failing businesses back to profitability.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #108 on: August 18, 2017, 04:06:13 pm »
@dfwgator

On a personal level, I am very glad that you are posting here.  My biggest regret from my ban from JimRob Republic was the intelligent discourse as well as the abundance of witty humor from posters such as yourself.

And how much better things will be for both of us once the SEC football season begins.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #109 on: August 18, 2017, 04:11:23 pm »
please show me where in that quote where you said I refused to vote for either Romney or McCain.  You cannot, because I never said it.

Your fervent desire to castigate others causes you to lie.

I have no fervent desire to castigate others, not even you.  You know, it was Trump who started the thing of calling people liars.  Remember 'Lyin Ted Cruz.'

In the future you might consider using less Trumpish language.

For example, you could say that I was mistaken, or perhaps uninformed.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #110 on: August 18, 2017, 05:30:26 pm »
I have no fervent desire to castigate others, not even you.  You know, it was Trump who started the thing of calling people liars.  Remember 'Lyin Ted Cruz.'

In the future you might consider using less Trumpish language.

For example, you could say that I was mistaken, or perhaps uninformed.
You said that I said something that I never said.  That is a lie.  Unvarnished truth.

If you feel like that is too strong for you, you are also mistaken.

Being PC is not what will win this country back.

We need to call the Dems and MSM out when they lie too.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #111 on: August 18, 2017, 05:43:57 pm »
You said that I said something that I never said.  That is a lie.  Unvarnished truth.

If you feel like that is too strong for you, you are also mistaken.

Being PC is not what will win this country back.

We need to call the Dems and MSM out when they lie too.

You won't give it up will you ... even though a number of people have called you out on it.

If I say you are an unredeemable idiot ... is that too strong for you?
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #112 on: August 18, 2017, 06:03:33 pm »
Yes, he did.  Whether you believe he would govern as one is a different matter.  Romney said that the federal government had no business sticking its nose in the insurance market, saying that it was a matter that should be left to the States.  No repeal and replace.  Just repeal.  Romney also said that the federal government should lift its prohibition against interstate commerce regarding insurance, and that people should be allowed to contribute to HSAs tax free.

Believe me, I know what your assessment of Mittens is - most of which I agree.  But as a candidate, Romney stuck to Conservatism.  His first debate with Obama was outstanding.  And as a businessman, he has an outstanding record of returning failing businesses back to profitability.

I voted for McCain with little enthusiasm, but I really liked Mitt Romney.   I think he would have made a superb President.   As for 2016, let's just say I was proud and motivated to vote for Pat Toomey.   
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #113 on: August 18, 2017, 06:03:37 pm »
This is a nihilist perspective.  Don't vote for the most conservative candidate who can win, which is the philosophy most of us subscribe to.  Instead, reject anyone who doesn't toe the line of conservative purity as you define it, and instead go for the full-throated liberal, in the hopes that things get so bad that a rebellion will rise and finally install the ideologue you crave.   

So you prefer eight years of Obama to eight years of McCain/Romney?  Don't lie and deny that's what you said.  But  didja notice that Obama's eight years of damage are proving irreversible?   Once an entitlement program, always an entitlement program.  Once a time-honored cultural tradition is labeled "racist", so it will always be.    This "strategy" of making things worse to make them better is the errand of a fool.   
Now finally I engage someone, even an avowed socialist liberal, who is actually interested in a dialogue instead of reading into my comments something I never said or did.

As I have already stated I would never vote for Obama, who, as you said, is a full-throated liberal.  Does that acknowledge to you that I never 'lied' about it?

Yes, I did in fact vote for McCain and Romney.  At the general election time, we had no other bonafide choices.  Prior to that time, we sure as hell did, and I voted for, as you say it 'a full-throated' conservative in Ted Cruz.

We have choices in life and I aspire to make strategic ones, like following Jesus Christ to look toward the long-term rather than the immediate.  I am an unabashed enthusiast in that regard.

Supporting whole-heartedly a person like McCain or Romney, people who would have seriously denigrated the Republican party in open borders and appeasement if elected president, is not a good strategy.  It is why we have the current problems in the GOP such as support of the government takeover of healthcare, etc.

I disdain McCain and Romney, although I voted for them in the general.  Most people did not do so, hence we have an Obama.

My career was in strategy, long term.  There are sometime imminent things before us which cause short term successes to be weighed against long-term successes.  Which do you choose?

Let's take a case in point WW2.  Did Roosevelt align himself with Stalin because he supported Communism?  No, he chose the immediate threat of Nazism and sought assistance from Russia to overcome it.

Did Roosevelt choose wisely?  Most say he did, as the Nazis were destroyed.  But did Roosevelt help Communism succeed?  Absolutely.  After the war, Russia took over most of Eastern Europe and imposed their will for decades.  We fought a 'Cold War' over that.

Was Roosevelt right when he chose Communism over the Nazis?  Likely, but it could be argued otherwise.  Who knows if the Reich would have lasted, and we all know that the murderous Communists spread their contamination far beyond Russia and were responsible for far more deaths to non-combatants than the Reich ever did.  We even have Communism/Socialism proliferating in this country.

One other thing:  you say with certainty that Obama's 8 years of damage is 'irreversible'.  How do you know?  When I saw Jimmy Carter emerge as President in the 70s, I thought the same thing about its 'irreversibility'.  We then had Ronald Reagan emerge as a true champion to return this country to its conservative roots.  I was wrong about Carter being an end-all to keeping this country firmly founded.

W and his father did not advance the conservative cause.  They watered it down.  I believe both McCain and Romney would have done the same, at this nations' detriment.  When one of then like Romney post comments like this thread was originally intended to discuss, it solidifies that belief.
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Re: Romney: Bigots and those fighting hate are 'not the same'
« Reply #114 on: August 18, 2017, 06:18:54 pm »
You won't give it up will you ... even though a number of people have called you out on it.

If I say you are an unredeemable idiot ... is that too strong for you?
On a legal basis, you 'lack standing'.

Get back on your witch-hunt and find another victim to roast.  I refuse to be one.
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