Presser: Trump: Both Sides Deserve Blame in Charlottesville Deaths

[Smokin Joe]

It is worse than that.

The Governor declared a state of emergency prior to the scheduled noon march permit of the group that has the permit.  He ordered the streets cleared at 11:30.

Two hours later, the group that did NOT have a permit were marching.  /The streets were supposed to be cleared, yet an illegal march was allowed to proceed.

Who is culpable for fomenting this which escalated to a death?

Then, when the decision was made to clear the permitted group out of the park, they were routed into the thick of the Antifas by the State Police instead of routed out through an area not full of counter-protesters.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

There are other TV stations than CNN.

Said the echo.

Said the personal attacker.

You are referring to your comment where you infer I only get my news from CNN?  It is never too late to apologize for your personal attack Tom.  Peace be upon you.

[edpc]

President Trump is totally the person who should be making this message.  Who else if not the President and, I was impressed.  Maybe he should appoint himself press secretary.

It's strange because we see two different Trumps.  We see the man who made this speech, the man who stood by his viewpoint, who never got angry but did not let the press intimidate or bully him but continued to make his points.

Except for when he wanders into the irrelevant or bizarre.   He cannot be his own press secretary, because he is his own worst enemy…

“I own actually one of the largest wineries in the United States ― it’s in Charlottesville,” Trump remarked after the conference, referencing Trump Winery.

But there are two problems with his claim (other than the fact that he spoke about his own winery after defending violent white supremacists).

First of all, it’s questionable whether the president actually owns Trump Winery. According to the winery’s own website, his son, Eric Trump, is the owner.

“Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates,” the disclaimer reads on the legal section of the website. 

Here’s the second issue with Trump’s statement. The winery isn’t “one of the largest” in the U.S.

It’s also not even the largest vineyard in Virginia, by winemakers’ standards.  Politifact, a fact-checking website that looks at claims made by elected officials and prominent people speaking about politics, proved it wasn’t after looking into Trump’s claim last year after he made it several times during his campaign.

[sneakypete]

Trump: Both Sides Deserve Blame in Charlottesville Deaths

Tuesday, 15 Aug 2017 04:17 PM




Breaking:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday said both sides were to blame in the clashes in Virginia over the weekend, adding that protesters on the political left violently attacked white nationalists rallying against a decision to remove a Confederate statue.

Trump had been sharply criticized for his initial comments blaming "many sides" for the violence in Charlottesville, but on Monday had explicitly condemned right-wing racist elements.

"They came at each other with clubs ... it was a horrible thing to watch," Trump told reporters in response to questions in the lobby of Trump Tower, before adding that left-wing protesters "came violently attacking the other group."

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http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-charlottesville-both-sides/2017/08/15/id/807820/

AND he is mostly right,but the leftist fascists that call themselves anti-fascist deserve MOST of the blame because the Neo-Nazi scum came there to demonstrate and give speeches after asking permission and buying the license,and the leftist fascists came there to attack and cause physical harm. Those pre-frozen bottles of water they were throwing at the Nazi scum can cause great harm,including blindness if the victim is struck in the eye.

Look at it this way,just how much do you have to suck to make the freaking neo-nazi's look sympathetic by comparison?

[sneakypete]

I agree with a lot of his messages, but... as President he shouldn't be saying them. This will just further divide the country.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

At this point there is nothing he can do to divide or bring the country back together. The split is real now,and can only get worse. Soros and others have literally spend Billions of dollars to try to create anarchy so they can get Martial Law declared and take over control of the country,and now that the seeds they have been planting for years are starting to bear fruit,they are going to double down,not back off.

[sneakypete]

Oh it can. Trump probably just doubled antifa's membership.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

Maybe,but he didn't double their collective IQ,and he probably woke up a few people that weren't really aware of what has been going on politically.

[sneakypete]

They're complicit, but Trump walked right into their trap.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?

[Sanguine]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?

It worked so well for GWB.

[INVAR]

Then, when the decision was made to clear the permitted group out of the park, they were routed into the thick of the Antifas by the State Police instead of routed out through an area not full of counter-protesters.

Exactly.  Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist.  The whole thing was a set-up.

And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.

[Smokin Joe]

Exactly.  Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist.  The whole thing was a set-up.

And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.

Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968)  are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.

It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.

[INVAR]

At this point there is nothing he can do to divide or bring the country back together. The split is real now,and can only get worse.

Correct.  That genie is out of the bottle, and the Left and others like them who profit from division and chaos are NEVER going to let the genie back in. 

We have arrived at the place we can no longer peaceably coexist because the foundations and core have been dug up, discarded and replaced with an alien and foreign morality and ideology.  Even among ourselves we cannot agree on what constitutes liberty.  How does a nation hopelessly divided over race, gender, Statism/Communism and sex ever agree to walk together as one people?  It cannot.  Those issues require another set of Americans be subjugated to the whims and desires and prejudices of another.

As the current climate exists right now, we either submit willingly to the Obama/Leftist/Maoist/Democrat Collectivist agenda, or get sucked into the Populist Collectivist movement that is the only force willing to go toe to toe with the Left.   Both sides believe that the other must be wiped out.  No matter how you slice it, nothing good comes from here on out.

Cannot say we do not deserve it. 

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

What would you have him do,remain silent and let the leftist message go unanswered so it passes for truth?

I would have just stopped talking after he said..."Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

Trump could have added that if nazis want to demonstrate and engage in their free speech rights, they might want to reflect on how their philosophy caused the death of a white woman, but Trump could have just stopped with his second statement.

He could refer all the fake news attempts for more denunciation to his 2nd statement and eventually when the media still wouldn't move on to the next story, he says...

I've already denounced David Duke, nazis, and the KKK.  Why do you insist on making David Duke famous?  Why are you keeping those people in the news?  I've already denounced them.

So we've covered those guys.  I'd like to talk about some other guys.  Have you guys ever heard about the ANTIFA?  I never see them talked about on your shows and as you have reported so often...I watch all your shows.

Then he goes into the story of somebody who got stabbed for wearing a MAGA hat, or other violence and vandalism.  Preferably a recent story.

It's a matter of timing.  The President should go after ANTIFA...just not in the same press conference when nazis kill

The easiest group of people to distance yourself from are nazis...it is almost universal.  You yourself say nazi scum twice upthread.  It is so easy.

almost unconscious for most of us.

[sneakypete]

It worked so well for GWB.

@Sanguine

LOL! Good one!

[sneakypete]

Exactly.  Not to mention the organizer of this event is a long-time Obama-Supporting Leftist Activist.  The whole thing was a set-up.

And everyone is being played like a Stradivarius.

@INVAR

AND the governor of Virginia is a truly evil loon to the left of Stalin and Hitlery whose son is a leader in the alleged Antifa movement,which is actually a PRO FASCIST movement.

[sneakypete]

Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968)  are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.

It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.

@Smokin Joe

Lots of those water bottles were full of frozen water,and the equivalent of bricks. You can clearly see the crystal clear bottle being thrown by one fascist pretending to hate fascism that has brown hair and a beard in one of the videos. Like all those punks,he runs up to the front line,throws it at someone's head,and immediately turns around and runs away. I am HOPING someone got a screen capture of this and turns it over to anyone who maybe lost an eye or got a concussion from a thrown frozen water bottle so they can file felony assault charges against him. Best bet would probably be federal charges because McAuliffe would use his power as Governor to shut down any state judges.

[Mom MD]

Interesting how the bottles of urine and "water balloons" (also likely urine filled) thrown by the Antifas (Leftista have a long history of throwing feces and bags of urine at people--at least to Chicago, 1968)  are virtually described as mercy hydration missions on the part of the Antifas.

It's theater, all of it, and in the meantime, the monuments continue to be defaced, renamed, and torn down.

The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left on the sanitization of our history  Whenever real patriots are demonstrating and these thugs show up the only solution is to run them off or isolate and separate them from the main group.  And for Petes sake don't go to a rally permitted by one of them.  We need to hold our own rallies.  Any true patriot that was there walked right into it and handed the left a major win

[sneakypete]

I would have just stopped talking after he said..."Racism is evil. And those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."

In other words,you want him to agree with the fascist anarchists that everyone but them is evil.

Got it. Are you French,by any chance?

Trump could have added that if nazis want to demonstrate and engage in their free speech rights, they might want to reflect on how their philosophy caused the death of a white woman, but Trump could have just stopped with his second statement.

Which one of the anarchists were you? I bet  you were one of the "intellectuals" that are the leaders and who stay in the background. Don't even try to pretend you are a conservative of any stripe because NO conservative wants to surrender to the left.

He could refer all the fake news attempts for more denunciation to his 2nd statement and eventually when the media still wouldn't move on to the next story, he says...
Then he goes into the story of somebody who got stabbed for wearing a MAGA hat, or other violence and vandalism.  Preferably a recent story.

ZZZZZZZ,,,,Huh? Wazzat? Sorry,I nodded off. When  do you think he should do this,next week? Next year?

It's a matter of timing.

 

That seems to mean different things to you and I. You seem to think the time to fight your battles is after you have already lost them.

The President should go after ANTIFA...just not in the same press conference when nazis kill

He and every other president should go after all fascists every,time their raise their heads and voices,everywhere they show up,regardless of the label they happen to be wearing.

The easiest group of people to distance yourself from are nazis...it is almost universal.  You yourself say nazi scum twice upthread.  It is so easy.

No easier than their cousins,the communists. THE major mistake our ancestors made was to allow Comrade Roosevelt and his running dogs get away with separating the Nazi's and the Communists as brothers in government. It is a historical FACT that Nazi Germany and the USSR were allies right up to the very day that Hitler invaded the USSR. Suddenly,like magic,the Nazi's became a "right-wing political party" overnight.

[goatprairie]

The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left on the sanitization of our history  Whenever real patriots are demonstrating and these thugs show up the only solution is to run them off or isolate and separate them from the main group.  And for Petes sake don't go to a rally permitted by one of them.  We need to hold our own rallies.  Any true patriot that was there walked right into it and handed the left a major win

"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4

True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
If Cruz was the president, they'd find something about him to call him a nasty, evil promoter of White Supremacy and stage a campaign to try and crush him.
I'm not a Trump fan, but in this instance he's correct.
First, he condemned hate and violence from all sides.  Not good enough to libs and the sob sisters on the right.
Then he explicitly condemned Nazis and WNs.  Still not good enough for the aforementioned people.
One of Trump's biggest problems is his frequent inability to give a disciplined speech which allows people to interpret his statements many ways.
But in this case he explicity condemned all violence and the fringe nut groups on the right.
I don't see what else he could have done in this situation.

[dfwgator]

"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4

True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
 

Just look how they crucified George W. Bush for Katrina,    and Kanye's, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Now there are lot of things to criticize President Bush for,   but that man doesn't have a racist bone in his body.

[edpc]

Just look how they crucified George W. Bush for Katrina,    and Kanye's, "George Bush doesn't care about black people."

Now there are lot of things to criticize President Bush for,   but that man doesn't have a racist bone in his body.

In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history.  The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence.  Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis.  He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.

[Emjay]

In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history.  The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence.  Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis.  He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.

Thank you so much.  For some reason, some people have decided to diss on Bush, which is ridiculous and annoying.

I didn't realize Nagin is in prison.  That's great to know.  What a tool.

[Emjay]

"The white supremacists are useful idiots that have been used to so taint the argument and make it so toxic that no one can stand up to the left"4

True, but it doesn't make any difference if these groups do something stupid or not....or if they exist at all. The left will smear any Pubbie president for whatever fake reason.
If Cruz was the president, they'd find something about him to call him a nasty, evil promoter of White Supremacy and stage a campaign to try and crush him.
I'm not a Trump fan, but in this instance he's correct.
First, he condemned hate and violence from all sides.  Not good enough to libs and the sob sisters on the right.
Then he explicitly condemned Nazis and WNs.  Still not good enough for the aforementioned people.
One of Trump's biggest problems is his frequent inability to give a disciplined speech which allows people to interpret his statements many ways.
But in this case he explicity condemned all violence and the fringe nut groups on the right.
I don't see what else he could have done in this situation.

You've stated Trump's position accurately.  I watched the speech.

Nothing would have been good enough for the people you accurately describe as the left  and the sob sisters on the right .

Nothing.

Those people hated the Trump speech before he opened his mouth.

They hated it before the sun came up.

They hated it before the birds sung.

[Emjay]

Except for when he wanders into the irrelevant or bizarre.   He cannot be his own press secretary, because he is his own worst enemy…

“I own actually one of the largest wineries in the United States ― it’s in Charlottesville,” Trump remarked after the conference, referencing Trump Winery.

But there are two problems with his claim (other than the fact that he spoke about his own winery after defending violent white supremacists).

First of all, it’s questionable whether the president actually owns Trump Winery. According to the winery’s own website, his son, Eric Trump, is the owner.

“Trump Winery is a registered trade name of Eric Trump Wine Manufacturing LLC, which is not owned, managed or affiliated with Donald J. Trump, The Trump Organization or any of their affiliates,” the disclaimer reads on the legal section of the website. 

Here’s the second issue with Trump’s statement. The winery isn’t “one of the largest” in the U.S.

It’s also not even the largest vineyard in Virginia, by winemakers’ standards.  Politifact, a fact-checking website that looks at claims made by elected officials and prominent people speaking about politics, proved it wasn’t after looking into Trump’s claim last year after he made it several times during his campaign.

Good Lord.  One, when you quote my post, please do it in its entirity because you left out an important part.

Two, who on God's green earth gives a slit about wineries or Trump's claims about wineries. 

That is so off point, it isn't even on the planet.  We know Trump brags about stuff but we're trying to discuss an important issue.

[dfwgator]

In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history. 

Democrats still refer to him as "Chimpy McBushitler."

[dfwgator]

In little more than a decade, Bush has been largely exonerated by facts and history.  The infrastructure in New Orleans had been neglected for decades under democratic control through corruption and incompetence.  Nagin, his biggest critic, was directly responsible for the humanitarian crisis.  He's sitting in prison for wire fraud, conspiracy, bribery, money laundering, and filing false tax returns.

And remember this one?